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Old 08-29-2010, 07:30 AM   #161
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Hello good sirs,

So I want to hook up my macbook pro to my Marantz 5003, but I'm a bit at a loss as how the best way to do this would be. I, primarily, am looking to listen off of iTunes to music, but figure if I'm going to run 30 or so feet of cable (my desk is on the far side of the room from the receiver and I'll looking to run it along the wall) I might as well hook up video as well.

Anytime I'm dealing with anything Apple my brain goes crosseyed, so if video is a hundred dollars worth of proprietary cables, then I'd be content with musics.

Thanks for any help, cables and tax forms remain my achilles heels.
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i wouldn't leave it, if the input signal is too high it could cause the amp to be overdriven and could sound distorted

switching to a digital connection is probably the simplest solution

unless you feel there is some reason that you must use your CD players internal DAC then use the ATT button or use inline pads on the analog inputs of your receiver
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I went the digital cable route. It sounds great an no worries. Bought 20 CDs since I got it, really enjoying it.
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Old 08-30-2010, 03:45 PM   #163
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Hi guys,

I've been using an Onkyo 875 for 2 years and now I'm thinking to try Marantz. SR6004 is what I have on my mind now.

Just need clarification on one thing, the Onkyo 875 has a problem when decoding DTS-HD MA 7.1 in which most titles from New Line it only outputs as 5.1 only. This has something to do with the way DTS flag the surround-back channel that has the decoder downmix to 5.1. The PS3 had the same problem when it first released the firmware with DTS-HD MA capability, but Sony fixed it in the subsequent firmware update.

So just to be sure, anybody can confirm that the DTS-HD MA 7.1 downmix is not an issue with Marantz SR6004? If you don't understand what I meant, can you do me a favor and check if it's showing 7.1 on the receiver while playing Hellboy II, Hairspray, Dark City, Pan's Labyrinth & Shoot 'Em Up with DTS-HD MA 7.1 bitstream?

Thanks in advance for your replies, I need to be sure of this before I buy.
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Old 08-31-2010, 03:55 AM   #164
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Hi guys,

I've been using an Onkyo 875 for 2 years and now I'm thinking to try Marantz. SR6004 is what I have on my mind now.

Just need clarification on one thing, the Onkyo 875 has a problem when decoding DTS-HD MA 7.1 in which most titles from New Line it only outputs as 5.1 only. This has something to do with the way DTS flag the surround-back channel that has the decoder downmix to 5.1. The PS3 had the same problem when it first released the firmware with DTS-HD MA capability, but Sony fixed it in the subsequent firmware update.

So just to be sure, anybody can confirm that the DTS-HD MA 7.1 downmix is not an issue with Marantz SR6004? If you don't understand what I meant, can you do me a favor and check if it's showing 7.1 on the receiver while playing Hellboy II, Hairspray, Dark City, Pan's Labyrinth & Shoot 'Em Up with DTS-HD MA 7.1 bitstream?






Thanks in advance for your replies, I need to be sure of this before I buy.

i just used Dark City to test 120gb PS3 slim with my SR6003. the front LED displays DTS-HD MSTR and all 8 channel indicators are lit up. so it appears everything works... just a reminder with all Marantz receivers, if you bitstream HD audio codecs, you won't be able to use any kind of acoustic equalization(audyssey or manual)



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Hello good sirs,

So I want to hook up my macbook pro to my Marantz 5003, but I'm a bit at a loss as how the best way to do this would be. I, primarily, am looking to listen off of iTunes to music, but figure if I'm going to run 30 or so feet of cable (my desk is on the far side of the room from the receiver and I'll looking to run it along the wall) I might as well hook up video as well.

Anytime I'm dealing with anything Apple my brain goes crosseyed, so if video is a hundred dollars worth of proprietary cables, then I'd be content with musics.

Thanks for any help, cables and tax forms remain my achilles heels.



i'll tell how i have it hooked up but it may not be appropriate for you.

for audio to the receiver:

from the macbook i use a 6' optical cable with an optical/minijack adapter connected to a optical-to-digital coax converter. from there i have a 40' coax to the receiver with RF-to-RCA adapters at each end( or you could just use a really long composite cable)

this is the only way i could get a 5.1 digital signal to my receiver


for video to my TV:

from the macbook i use a Dynex mini DVI-to-VGA adapter connected to a 40' VGA cable connected to the RGB In (D-Sub 15pin) on the back of the TV



i use these connections for listening to music and watching youtube, but for watching videos i stream to my PS3 instead. The PS3 has superior video scaling compared to using the VGA cable

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i just used Dark City to test 120gb PS3 slim with my SR6003. the front LED displays DTS-HD MSTR and all 8 channel indicators are lit up. so it appears everything works... just a reminder with all Marantz receivers, if you bitstream HD audio codecs, you won't be able to use any kind of acoustic equalization(audyssey or manual)


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Thanks!

Sorry, it does show 7.1 on my Onkyo 875 as well, but I don't hear any sound from the surround-back channels. Can you hear any sound?

Another thing, if you have UP, can you test and see if your receiver's display 6.1? I ask this because it's showing 5.1 only. It should be 6.1 because that's what it shows when I let the PS3 do the decoding. I suspect that my Onkyo can't decode the ES channel. Can Marantz decode the ES channel?

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Thanks!

Sorry, it does show 7.1 on my Onkyo 875 as well, but I don't hear any sound from the surround-back channels. Can you hear any sound?

Another thing, if you have UP, can you test and see if your receiver's display 6.1? I ask this because it's showing 5.1 only. It should be 6.1 because that's what it shows when I let the PS3 do the decoding. I suspect that my Onkyo can't decode the ES channel. Can Marantz decode the ES channel?
Your Onkyo 875 can decode ALL audio codecs out there. It's up to you to set it correctly. And same with your PS3.

The Marantz SR6003 would be a downgrade to your Onkyo 875.

The most important thing with anything in life is how to operate it properly, ...studying all the various settings. ...That's how I married my wife too.

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Your Onkyo 875 can decode ALL audio codecs out there. It's up to you to set it correctly. And same with your PS3.

The Marantz SR6003 would be a downgrade to your Onkyo 875.

The most important thing with anything in life is how to operate it properly, ...studying all the various settings. ...That's how I married my wife too.
I don't know, I've been in this hobby for 10 years I think I know my stuffs.

Sorry, but no, my Onkyo 875 can't do it, same with all xx5 series from Onkyo. My friend bought Onkyo 806, I was the one who set it up for him, and his receiver shows DTS-HD ES MSTR with all 6.1 speakers light up while watching PIXAR's UP. All Onkyo series after xx5 can do it now, and in the manual there's no mention whatsoever about this ES in DTS-HD MA.

But I'm just thinking of trying something new, like Marantz, that's why I'm asking here. I know 6004 is a step down in the line range, but I'm just checking out what other brands have to offer. And FYI Onkyo 875 is quite old now, it's 3 generations down from the current line up.
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I don't know, I've been in this hobby for 10 years I think I know my stuffs.

Sorry, but no, my Onkyo 875 can't do it, same with all xx5 series from Onkyo. My friend bought Onkyo 806, I was the one who set it up for him, and his receiver shows DTS-HD ES MSTR with all 6.1 speakers light up while watching PIXAR's UP. All Onkyo series after xx5 can do it now, and in the manual there's no mention whatsoever about this ES in DTS-HD MA.

But I'm just thinking of trying something new, like Marantz, that's why I'm asking here. I know 6004 is a step down in the line range, but I'm just checking out what other brands have to offer. And FYI Onkyo 875 is quite old now, it's 3 generations down from the current line up.
Well my friend, I've been at it for over 40 years and I'm still learning...

With that been said, I owned the Onkyo TX-SR805 and it was decoding all the audio codecs out there, including DTS-HD MA 7.1 with all those little speakers' logos lighted up (all 7 of them).
And I still have my 876, and it ain't no different than my ex-805.

* There are DVDs with DTS ES 6.1 discrete, DTS ES 5.1 matrix, and DD EX 5.1 matrix.
And then there are Dolby TrueHD 7.1 and DTS-HD High Res Audio 6.1, and also DTS-HD Mstr Audio 7.1, and of course all of those in 5.1.
But there ain't no ES whatsoever with the new high res audio codecs.

As for your 875 being quite old, I don't really care as it is still a much better receiver than most newer ones, fact!

-> Do you really want to upgrade? Then get the Onkyo TX-NR3008. ...But mostly for his updated feature's set. ...Like Audyssey MultEQ XT32, and Audyssey DSX with Front Height & Width channels, Audyssey Dynamic EQ & Volume, Dolby Volume, Dolby Pro Logic IIz with Front Height channels, THX Ultra2 Plus with THX Loudness Plus, ...and of course Ethernet port for Music streaming from the internet, and also firmware upgrades, and USB port, and few more things like that.
But your 875 will still perform as equally sound quality wise and true power wise also.
Oh alright, the HQV Reon VX video processor from the 3008 can be used for EACH SEPARATE source. ...That is if you can benefit from it in your own particular application.

It seems to me that you are more attracted by what your friend's receiver says in its display window than by the true nature of the beast!
Trust me, your 875 is much more advanced (even if it's older than your friend's receiver) than the Marantz SR6004. Those Marantz receivers don't have the DSP processing power of your much superior Onkyo TX-SR875.
Even the top Marantz receiver, the SR8002 does not have enough DSP processing power compared to yours.

I know a lot about receivers, and if I would tell you all about your magnificent 875 receiver, you'll sh*t in your pants (from euphoric joy)!
I can write a book just about your 875, but I simply won't.
And I can write several encyclopedias about all the receivers in the last 50 years or so, but again, I just simply won't; not here, not now, and not in this lifetime!

=> And who knows, maybe you guys from Kuala Lumpur (the Orient) have a different perspective in receivers than us from the Occident?

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Thank you LOTR for the lengthy reply. And I respect your experience in this field. We can never stop learning of course.

First let me say I'm not the kind that gets excited by what's flashing on my receiver. That's not the reason I'm into this hobby. It's the most basic reason there is: to enjoy my movies the best possible with what's provided.

Hence my decision to buy extra speakers to make it 7.1 setup because there are movies on blu-ray that provides 7.1 audio. If the movie only provides 5.1, I won't apply any processing to matrix the native 5.1 source to 7.1, just because that's not how the movie intended. I never even touched the DSPs, Pro-Logic, NEO, etc. Weird, but that's just me I guess. So I don't need those advanced models with the new features, the ability to decode all the source audio codecs and provide the power to the speakers is basically all I need (don't get me wrong, I don't go too far and listen everything in Pure Audio). The reason I want to get Marantz is just to try new sound. So while I'm at that, might as well I check these issues about 7.1 and ES. And believe me, there is ES flag with high resolution codecs.

If you go to the PIXAR's UP set up menu, it clearly says DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 ES (I can provide a screenshot if you want). So that's my concern, the movie natively provides an audio encoded with ES-matrix flag. If that's the best experience the movie can provide, that's how I want to enjoy it. But I can't hear anything from my surround-back speakers, unlike my friend's setup which I can clearly hear the sound. And with his 806 displaying DTS-HD ES MSTR (without applying any processing) just simply shows that it correctly reads the ES flag and extracts the surround-back channel. It seems that with Onkyo xx6 and newer models they've fixed this. Since you have the 805, can you do me a favor and test it with UP?

About the issue with DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 being decoded to 5.1, this is totally different. Only happen to certain movies like Dark City, Orphanage, Pan's Labyrinth, Hellboy II and a few more (can't really remember all). Yes even on my Onkyo 875 it displays all the speakers correctly, but that's not my concern. I simply can't hear anything in the surround-back speakers in my setup. And again, I can hear it with my friend's. We tested these by picking one particular scene. As I mentioned before, the PS3 had the same issue when it receives the firmware update (in 2008) to decode DTS-HD MA, with the very same movies. At that time the new slim PS3 wasn't out yet, so it decoded and send 5.1 PCM to the receiver instead of 7.1. Sony fixed this in the next firmware update. You can google this for further info (I'm sure you already know about this though). This is the same issue, only Onkyo never release any firmware update to fix this (I think due to the DTS chip itself). If you have time you can try these movies with your 805 again and try to hear if there's sound coming from your surround-back speakers (the movie itself, not the New Line intro which correctly uses the all 7.1 speakers).

Well, another lengthy one from me. Back to my original question. If anybody can help to confirm that the Marantz 6004 has none of of the above issues I truly appreciates it. Thanks.
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Old 08-31-2010, 06:53 PM   #171
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Hey guys whats up i know this is probably a completely dumb question but I am trying to decide on some upgrades. Just how much of a difference in sound should I expect if I upgrade a Sony str-dg720 to a New Marantz sr5005???
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Hey guys whats up i know this is probably a completely dumb question but I am trying to decide on some upgrades. Just how much of a difference in sound should I expect if I upgrade a Sony str-dg720 to a New Marantz sr5005???
You're asking a completely relative question, but nonetheless relevant, and most replies are all based on opinion and hearsay. Marantz has a warmer sound than the Sony, some claim that it's richer and fuller than most others, but that's solely based on opinion. You'd have to listen for yourself to determine though. I love Marantz' sound quality and much prefer it over anything else, especially that of Sony. Pioneer's sound is the only quality of sound that I would even consider coming close to matching or outperforming Marantz; thats based on a med. to high budget level ($500 - $1500).

By the looks of it you're considering two different AVRs that are on separate ends of the spectrum. Sony (which you're upgrading) focuses on accessories and "bells and whistles" and is less accurate with their power ratings. With Marantz you're getting power and great sound quality (and may I say more accurate power ratings!), but less of the "bells and whistles" such as Ipod enabled, and "video upconversion" and the sorts.

You wouldn't be sorry if you upgrade to a Marantz! If you are considering Pioneer (which I know you never mentioned, but Marantz and Pioneer are very strong choices) just do your best to do research and look at reviews. I wouldn't go with anything Pioneer that's not an Elite model.
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Thank you LOTR for the lengthy reply. And I respect your experience in this field. We can never stop learning of course.

First let me say I'm not the kind that gets excited by what's flashing on my receiver. That's not the reason I'm into this hobby. It's the most basic reason there is: to enjoy my movies the best possible with what's provided.

Hence my decision to buy extra speakers to make it 7.1 setup because there are movies on blu-ray that provides 7.1 audio. If the movie only provides 5.1, I won't apply any processing to matrix the native 5.1 source to 7.1, just because that's not how the movie intended. I never even touched the DSPs, Pro-Logic, NEO, etc. Weird, but that's just me I guess. So I don't need those advanced models with the new features, the ability to decode all the source audio codecs and provide the power to the speakers is basically all I need (don't get me wrong, I don't go too far and listen everything in Pure Audio). The reason I want to get Marantz is just to try new sound. So while I'm at that, might as well I check these issues about 7.1 and ES. And believe me, there is ES flag with high resolution codecs.

If you go to the PIXAR's UP set up menu, it clearly says DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 ES (I can provide a screenshot if you want). So that's my concern, the movie natively provides an audio encoded with ES-matrix flag. If that's the best experience the movie can provide, that's how I want to enjoy it. But I can't hear anything from my surround-back speakers, unlike my friend's setup which I can clearly hear the sound. And with his 806 displaying DTS-HD ES MSTR (without applying any processing) just simply shows that it correctly reads the ES flag and extracts the surround-back channel. It seems that with Onkyo xx6 and newer models they've fixed this. Since you have the 805, can you do me a favor and test it with UP?

About the issue with DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 being decoded to 5.1, this is totally different. Only happen to certain movies like Dark City, Orphanage, Pan's Labyrinth, Hellboy II and a few more (can't really remember all). Yes even on my Onkyo 875 it displays all the speakers correctly, but that's not my concern. I simply can't hear anything in the surround-back speakers in my setup. And again, I can hear it with my friend's. We tested these by picking one particular scene. As I mentioned before, the PS3 had the same issue when it receives the firmware update (in 2008) to decode DTS-HD MA, with the very same movies. At that time the new slim PS3 wasn't out yet, so it decoded and send 5.1 PCM to the receiver instead of 7.1. Sony fixed this in the next firmware update. You can google this for further info (I'm sure you already know about this though). This is the same issue, only Onkyo never release any firmware update to fix this (I think due to the DTS chip itself). If you have time you can try these movies with your 805 again and try to hear if there's sound coming from your surround-back speakers (the movie itself, not the New Line intro which correctly uses the all 7.1 speakers).

Well, another lengthy one from me. Back to my original question. If anybody can help to confirm that the Marantz 6004 has none of of the above issues I truly appreciates it. Thanks.
I tell you what; I gave my 805 to my brother on his last birthday.
But my friend has also an 805.

But not only I will check out the Blu-ray of "Up" from his 805, but also from my 876 (by the way I also own the 906 and the 886 pre/pro).
And furthermore, I will also check the Blu-ray of "Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas" which is recorded in Dolby TrueHD 7.1 surround sound; also both from my friend's 805 receiver and from my 876.

Now, you have to be aware that "Up" on Blu-ray was recorded in DTS-HD MA 5.1 audio surround sound.
Sooo, what that means is that your friend is manually adding the Back surround(s) channel information by selecting it from its receiver (Marantz SR6004).
...And you can do the exact same thing with your Onkyo 875; only that the reading from your front panel display window might be different than his.

BUT, I will tell you exactly (without adding ANYTHING), from the exact audio encoding of these two Blu-ray movies, what both receivers (the 805 & 876) show on their front window displays.
...So please stay tuned, and give me at most 48 hours for verifying.

______________

Alright, next: the Marantz SR6004; be careful as it has already an history of serious issues (check the official thread from AVS).

And if you're really serious about improving your sound quality, you would consider a separate pre/pro. ...Emotiva UMC-1? Integra DHC-80.2? Onkyo PR-SC5508P? Onkyo PR-SC886P?
And separate amp(s) from Emotiva? ...To stay true to your real & personal budget.

...Or a receiver from Anthem, or Arcam, or NAD, or Rotel, or Lexicon, for examples.

______________

Lastly, why don't you have also a look at the latest offering from Marantz?
They have a newer receiver, the SR7005; and they also have a newer pre/pro, the AV7005.
What is it with your obsession on the 6004? Why not the 6003 instead that don't have the same issues as the xx04 series have?

Just sayin' my point of view.

I'll talk you later with the results of my findings; meanwhile read what there is to read about my suggestions and ideas.

Cheers to you Aiman, way over there in Kuala Lumpur, from here in Victoria, B.C. - CANADA,
Bob

*** CORRECTION: "Up" on Blu-ray, not indicated on the rear cover, but on the review here at Blu-ray.com indicate that it is in fact a 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio ES matrix audio encoding.
Great! ...Should be even more interesting now to check on both these receivers from different manufactured years (2007 & 2008). ...As for 2009 & 2010, it don't matter as there aren't any new audio codecs since then.

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Thank you LOTR for the lengthy reply. And I respect your experience in this field. We can never stop learning of course.

First let me say I'm not the kind that gets excited by what's flashing on my receiver. That's not the reason I'm into this hobby. It's the most basic reason there is: to enjoy my movies the best possible with what's provided.

Hence my decision to buy extra speakers to make it 7.1 setup because there are movies on blu-ray that provides 7.1 audio. If the movie only provides 5.1, I won't apply any processing to matrix the native 5.1 source to 7.1, just because that's not how the movie intended. I never even touched the DSPs, Pro-Logic, NEO, etc. Weird, but that's just me I guess. So I don't need those advanced models with the new features, the ability to decode all the source audio codecs and provide the power to the speakers is basically all I need (don't get me wrong, I don't go too far and listen everything in Pure Audio). The reason I want to get Marantz is just to try new sound. So while I'm at that, might as well I check these issues about 7.1 and ES. And believe me, there is ES flag with high resolution codecs.

If you go to the PIXAR's UP set up menu, it clearly says DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 ES (I can provide a screenshot if you want). So that's my concern, the movie natively provides an audio encoded with ES-matrix flag. If that's the best experience the movie can provide, that's how I want to enjoy it. But I can't hear anything from my surround-back speakers, unlike my friend's setup which I can clearly hear the sound. And with his 806 displaying DTS-HD ES MSTR (without applying any processing) just simply shows that it correctly reads the ES flag and extracts the surround-back channel. It seems that with Onkyo xx6 and newer models they've fixed this. Since you have the 805, can you do me a favor and test it with UP?

About the issue with DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 being decoded to 5.1, this is totally different. Only happen to certain movies like Dark City, Orphanage, Pan's Labyrinth, Hellboy II and a few more (can't really remember all). Yes even on my Onkyo 875 it displays all the speakers correctly, but that's not my concern. I simply can't hear anything in the surround-back speakers in my setup. And again, I can hear it with my friend's. We tested these by picking one particular scene. As I mentioned before, the PS3 had the same issue when it receives the firmware update (in 2008) to decode DTS-HD MA, with the very same movies. At that time the new slim PS3 wasn't out yet, so it decoded and send 5.1 PCM to the receiver instead of 7.1. Sony fixed this in the next firmware update. You can google this for further info (I'm sure you already know about this though). This is the same issue, only Onkyo never release any firmware update to fix this (I think due to the DTS chip itself). If you have time you can try these movies with your 805 again and try to hear if there's sound coming from your surround-back speakers (the movie itself, not the New Line intro which correctly uses the all 7.1 speakers).

Well, another lengthy one from me. Back to my original question. If anybody can help to confirm that the Marantz 6004 has none of of the above issues I truly appreciates it. Thanks.
just tested Dark City again, chapter 15 "the final imprint", has very active rear channels. tested with a ps3 bitstreaming to my SR6003
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Sorry, it does show 7.1 on my Onkyo 875 as well, but I don't hear any sound from the surround-back channels. Can you hear any sound?

Another thing, if you have UP, can you test and see if your receiver's display 6.1? I ask this because it's showing 5.1 only. It should be 6.1 because that's what it shows when I let the PS3 do the decoding. I suspect that my Onkyo can't decode the ES channel. Can Marantz decode the ES channel?

according to blu-ray.com, UP is a 5.1 ES matrix. for the PS3 or the receiver to display 6.1, the soundtrack would have to be 6.1 ES discrete or it'll just say 6.1

here's some links

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Up-Blu-ray/6031/

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Termi...-Blu-ray/4024/


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Old 09-01-2010, 03:15 AM   #176
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About the issue with DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 being decoded to 5.1, this is totally different. Only happen to certain movies like Dark City, Orphanage, Pan's Labyrinth, Hellboy II and a few more (can't really remember all). Yes even on my Onkyo 875 it displays all the speakers correctly, but that's not my concern. I simply can't hear anything in the surround-back speakers in my setup. And again, I can hear it with my friend's. We tested these by picking one particular scene. As I mentioned before, the PS3 had the same issue when it receives the firmware update (in 2008) to decode DTS-HD MA, with the very same movies. At that time the new slim PS3 wasn't out yet, so it decoded and send 5.1 PCM to the receiver instead of 7.1. Sony fixed this in the next firmware update. You can google this for further info (I'm sure you already know about this though). This is the same issue, only Onkyo never release any firmware update to fix this (I think due to the DTS chip itself). If you have time you can try these movies with your 805 again and try to hear if there's sound coming from your surround-back speakers (the movie itself, not the New Line intro which correctly uses the all 7.1 speakers).

Well, another lengthy one from me. Back to my original question. If anybody can help to confirm that the Marantz 6004 has none of of the above issues I truly appreciates it. Thanks.
Your settings are then wrong from your 875 speaker's Menu!

* By the way Aiman, you said earlier that you only have a 5.1-channel setup, and that you're thinking of adding two more speakers to make it a 7.1-channel setup!
So, do you have five or seven speakers, right now?
...Or did you check with those two Back surrounds from a friend just temporarily? If so, I bet you had the wrong settings from your 875.
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according to blu-ray.com, UP is a 5.1 ES matrix. for the PS3 or the receiver to display 6.1, the soundtrack would have to be 6.1 ES discrete or it'll just say 6.1

here's some links

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Up-Blu-ray/6031/

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Termi...-Blu-ray/4024/
Ty, but I already made the correction to my prior post, even before you told me so!

* And I still hate those misprints from few BD covers! ...It screws us all Up!

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Guys, I have 7 speakers. I have everything setup correctly, I have the necessary tools for calibration and tuning. And like I said I never apply any processing. I can hear sound from all my speakers with Dolby TrueHD 7.1 and certain DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 tracks.

5.1 ES matrix will show as 6.1 as that's what the receiver gets after extracting the surround-back channel from the 5.1 ES track. If you let the PS3 do the decoding (set PCM instead of bitstream), press the info button it will say 6.1.

I don't know about other brands, but if you have Onkyo xx6 series or newer with 6.1 or 7.1 speakers, test it with UP via bitstream you'll see what I mean.

You know what, I'll bring my PS3 & UP to the shop here and test it myself. Thanks everyone for your help. Really appreciates it.
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Guys, I have 7 speakers. I have everything setup correctly, I have the necessary tools for calibration and tuning. And like I said I never apply any processing. I can hear sound from all my speakers with Dolby TrueHD 7.1 and certain DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 tracks.

5.1 ES matrix will show as 6.1 as that's what the receiver gets after extracting the surround-back channel from the 5.1 ES track. If you let the PS3 do the decoding (set PCM instead of bitstream), press the info button it will say 6.1.

I don't know about other brands, but if you have Onkyo xx6 series or newer with 6.1 or 7.1 speakers, test it with UP via bitstream you'll see what I mean.

You know what, I'll bring my PS3 & UP to the shop here and test it myself. Thanks everyone for your help. Really appreciates it.
No problemo, I will, like I said before and from his 805 and from my 876.

But I don't have a PS3, neither my friend. We have Pannys, Sammys, and Oppos. Will that do? ...Bitstream of course.

...And the Blu-ray movie "UP".

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Guys, I have 7 speakers. I have everything setup correctly, I have the necessary tools for calibration and tuning. And like I said I never apply any processing. I can hear sound from all my speakers with Dolby TrueHD 7.1 and certain DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 tracks.

5.1 ES matrix will show as 6.1 as that's what the receiver gets after extracting the surround-back channel from the 5.1 ES track. If you let the PS3 do the decoding (set PCM instead of bitstream), press the info button it will say 6.1.

I don't know about other brands, but if you have Onkyo xx6 series or newer with 6.1 or 7.1 speakers, test it with UP via bitstream you'll see what I mean.

You know what, I'll bring my PS3 & UP to the shop here and test it myself. Thanks everyone for your help. Really appreciates it.

sorry, i don't have any 5.1 ES matrix discs to test
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