Offical Neon Genesis Evangelion Info/Update Thread

[LordCrumb]

I don't get the idea of adding your own subtitles. Having a BD-R version on my shelf would drive me a little nuts.. knowing it's a copy and not the real deal. It doesn't matter if the real thing is right next to it... the thought of putting in a BD-R.. ewww.

I'm very happy with my MadMan DVD Platnium Box Set. Great covers, very nice sturdy box and booklets with each volume. Subtitles and English language included.

[celticmoon]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

Checking back, looks like I did preorder the regular edition, and for now the Amazon.jp exclusive states its bonuses are TBD.

Edit: Is it just me or is the price on this thing fluctuating like crazy? I ordered it at ￥38,000. My order details show it at ￥28,242. And the item page is showing ￥30,501. I figure this might just be price guarantee, but it seems like a pretty drastic shift.

I just went ahead and pre-ordered the regular edition for now as well.

30,501 yen is the price with the 8% sales tax included, 28,242 yen is the price without tax, which is what I am assuming all who live outside of Japan get.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by celticmoon

30,501 yen is the price with the 8% sales tax included, 28,242 yen is the price without tax, which is what I am assuming all who live outside of Japan get.

That makes sense. What I really wasn't expecting was the nearly 10,000 yen drop in price.

Originally Posted by LordCrumb

I don't get the idea of adding your own subtitles. Having a BD-R version on my shelf would drive me a little nuts.. knowing it's a copy and not the real deal. It doesn't matter if the real thing is right next to it... the thought of putting in a BD-R.. ewww.

Ehh, I have DVD-Rs of various stuff that I've played. It's not like we're talking medieval class structure here.

the Japanese release by King Records is virtually guaranteed to have the best video and audio quality. Whatever US release comes down the line at some point is also almost guaranteed to have some form of quality compromise. Funimation and Sentai like to cram nine episodes at a time per disc, and the compression rates to do that can often introduce artifacts like banding. Various technical gaffes can be made in the authoring stages, and while both companies have fairly good reputations, neither are infallible, and they have committed a number of blunders on low and high profile releases.

Basically, it's a form of insurance.

[kristoffer]

I cannot wait to get these on BD with subs and rewatch them in HD.

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by dyne

Didn't want to make a new thread for it but did anybody see the CGI short yet? It looks amazing.



http://kotaku.com/pacific-rim-youve-...tch-1684173248



http://animatorexpo.com/evangelionanotherimpact/

This is very cool! Thanks.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by LordCrumb

I don't get the idea of adding your own subtitles. Having a BD-R version on my shelf would drive me a little nuts..

Uh, it's not like they HAVE to be on your shelf, visible for anyone to see. If there aren't options to pack them into the original boxes (like switching a one-disc keep case for a two-disc keep case), you can just keep them elsewhere.

I watch most of my self-subbed stuff on USB drives these days. It's fine, because I know I have an exact copy of the Blu-ray, with proper subs so I can understand what's going on. Trust me, it beats NOT having the movie or series to watch at all.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

Funimation and Sentai like to cram nine episodes at a time per disc, and the compression rates to do that can often introduce artifacts like banding.

FUNi's actually been doing the 8/4 split recently. Amazing, but true. Skip the extras and that's more than six gigs per ep. That's Aniplex territory.

[Pyoko]

HTPC is a blessing in this kind of situation. No need to re-author or burn anything, you can just get the set, dump the episodes losslessly into an appropriate container and add softsubs.

[Naiera]

I can do the exact same thing with a USB stick and my Oppo BDP-103. Or I could connect it to my network.

The subs would still have to be timed if they don't fit, though. That's the hard part.

[Sylontack]

I've always wished for a player or PC software that allowed me to play a BD disc with a subtitle file on a USB plugged in. :P
I've never been under the delusion this is a reasonable desire or expectation of a player but that doesn't change the fact that it would be a nice thing to have.

[madlost1]

Originally Posted by Naiera

The subs would still have to be timed if they don't fit, though. That's the hard part.

This is exactly why I refuse to do it. I did it for 2 movies running around 2 hours each and wanted to just stop after about the first 15 minutes I couldn't imagine spending that much time to do so on a 26 episode series plus movies. Like I said I'll be perfectly happy with my platinum collection dvds until the US blus come out. If I want to check out the PQ in the meantime there are always FSs.

[Pyoko]

Originally Posted by Naiera

I can do the exact same thing with a USB stick and my Oppo BDP-103. Or I could connect it to my network.

The subs would still have to be timed if they don't fit, though. That's the hard part.

Well some of these newer Oppos almost seem to be like mini-HTPCs, so that's pretty much the same. My point was simply that it's really worth it to avoid having to deal with any complicated disc structures, authoring processes or compatibility issues.

It was a long time ago since I last tried to make any custom muxed projects (I think it was Gunbuster where I had to mux in the audio from the R2J DVD because of the terrible audio quality and "censored" music on the R1) and I remember subtitle timing issues, with both internal and externally loaded ones, but I think that was mostly due to the DVD format with various offsets left and right and the lack of good software players. Is it still such an issue?

I mean with file-based playback, if the fps of the subtitle file is correct all you should have to do is peg the timing of the first subtitle and the rest should follow. A simple timing offset is pretty trivial and many players even support doing it on the fly. Or do they tend to remove or insert extra frames here and there, like between title cards, the opening and whatnot?

[Pyoko]

Originally Posted by Sylontack

I've always wished for a player or PC software that allowed me to play a BD disc with a subtitle file on a USB plugged in. :P
I've never been under the delusion this is a reasonable desire or expectation of a player but that doesn't change the fact that it would be a nice thing to have.

MPC-HC can do it, sort of.

I'm sitting here with the new Bubblegum Crisis set and because I wasn't super-happy with the subtitle style on the disc I'm thinking of using softsubs to choose a font to my liking. I can start playing an episode from the disc and then just drag-and-drop the subtitle file onto the player and it works perfectly.

Of course you don't get any menus or anything and you need to select the correct playlist/m2ts file to get to the episode you want. Usually it's pretty straightforward but I've seen some discs where the playlists for the episodes were completely jumbled instead of in numerical order.

Not sure if there are any proper players with this functionality. PowerDVD13 didn't seem to be able to load any external subtitles while playing a disc.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by Sylontack

I've always wished for a player or PC software that allowed me to play a BD disc with a subtitle file on a USB plugged in. :P
I've never been under the delusion this is a reasonable desire or expectation of a player but that doesn't change the fact that it would be a nice thing to have.

That would be the best shit ever.

Someone should hack the Oppo firmware

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by Pyoko

I mean with file-based playback, if the fps of the subtitle file is correct all you should have to do is peg the timing of the first subtitle and the rest should follow. A simple timing offset is pretty trivial and many players even support doing it on the fly. Or do they tend to remove or insert extra frames here and there, like between title cards, the opening and whatnot?

I was wrong. I overstated the issue. Subs can be easy enough if you can convert them to the right FPS (I have no Windows right now, so I can't these days) and just bump them all. One second increments usually do the trick bust fine.

[kuroshi]

Originally Posted by Naiera

I can do the exact same thing with a USB stick and my Oppo BDP-103. Or I could connect it to my network.

The subs would still have to be timed if they don't fit, though. That's the hard part.

So if I understand this correctly, this means you can play the japanese blu-ray and the subs would be overlayed from the USB stick.
Or am I misunderstanding it.

[Naiera]

No, that's what I'm wishing could happen.

I still have to dump the video and the language track of choice into an MKV.

[Xtempo]

after rebuild is finished would there be separate boxs or one massive with all of it?

[kuroshi]

Originally Posted by Naiera

No, that's what I'm wishing could happen.

I still have to dump the video and the language track of choice into an MKV.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Pinecallado]

Originally Posted by madlost1

This is exactly why I refuse to do it. I did it for 2 movies running around 2 hours each and wanted to just stop after about the first 15 minutes I couldn't imagine spending that much time to do so on a 26 episode series plus movies. Like I said I'll be perfectly happy with my platinum collection dvds until the US blus come out. If I want to check out the PQ in the meantime there are always FSs.

Just wait for some fansub group to release re-encodes of the blu ray episodes that already has the timed subs on it. Then you can extract the subs and remux it into your blu ray files.

Evangelion is so popular it shouldn't take more than two weeks for re-encodes to come out once the BD is released.