Mad Max: High Octane Collection (1979-2015) / Mad Max: Fury Road in B&W (2015)

[Lutz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Chaverria

Why does there need to be backstory on any of them? The film's narrative isn't to point out what made these people but what they're doing now.

I agree with you that we don't need a lot of specific detail but the original poster is also ignoring that this movie actually has A LOT of backstory already.

Furiosa's backstory is the reason they escape and the reason for their destination but then also provides the movies emotional core when that backstory is resolved and then links back to what must be done in the present and leads to the conclusion.

Also the very introduction for the movie is a backstory for how the world arrived at this point...

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by explorer6

I have no interesting in anything black and white in the modern world. Color is everything. Color is progression from a once lifeless black and white era. Let the hipsters have it who think they're unique for watching a black and white film because all of the wondrous color isn't good enough for them but i'm not rooting for it's success as i don't want to see black and white releases anytime soon. As long as they don't get in the way of color it's fine but next thing you know some directors will start losing their minds and only doing something in black and white.

I'm no hipster, but:

The Elephant Man, Sin City, The Artist, Ed Wood, Clerks, Young Frankenstein, Nebraska, Good Night and Good Luck, Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid

all disagree. But hey...to each his/her own.

[JoeBuck]

Originally Posted by explorer6

I have no interesting in anything black and white in the modern world. Color is everything. Color is progression from a once lifeless black and white era. Let the hipsters have it who think they're unique for watching a black and white film because all of the wondrous color isn't good enough for them but i'm not rooting for it's success as i don't want to see black and white releases anytime soon. As long as they don't get in the way of color it's fine but next thing you know some directors will start losing their minds and only doing something in black and white.

If you honestly think the black and white era was "lifeless" then you obviously havent seen many black and white films because there have been some glorious examples of black and white cinematography.
It works wonders for shadow and light. For example I would never ever want to watch something like The Third Man or the original Frankenstein in colour, they'd be completely different films.
Colour can add a tremendous amount of character for sure but it doesn't make it okay to berate people who enjoy black and white.

[JoeBuck]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I'm no hipster, but:

The Elephant Man, Sin City, The Artist, Ed Wood, Clerks, Young Frankenstein, Nebraska, Good Night and Good Luck, Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid

all disagree. But hey...to each his/her own.

Add Manhattan to that list as well! One of the best examples.

[master gandhi]

I just thought about this. If one of the biggest reasons to upgrade to UHD Blu-ray is for HDR, black & white movies won't be utilizing that aspect of the format. The only thing those have going for them is increased resolution and overall contrast. So there probably won't be a UHD release of the B&W version or much of any B&W films. Am I correct in this assumption?

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by JoeBuck

Add Manhattan to that list as well! One of the best examples.

And Dr Strangelove!

[Bumblefeet]

Originally Posted by H.E. Pennypacker

If the creator and director himself says that it is HIS favorite, how can it be a waste? Do you know more about the film than the one who brought it to you in the first place?

I first read George Miller saying the 2D version was the way to go for experiencing his film. Then couple of weeks/months later he was praising the 3D version. Now he's saying his original intent is B&W? Is that in 2D or 3D? Look I get that the director has a personal preference, but ultimately I'm perfectly fine with the movie I saw in the theatre, the colour palette was one of the things I admired.

I'll be sticking with the 2D/3D steelbook.

Oh, and I can't wait for when they will put out the original trilogy in B&W as well, to milk it even further.

[explorer6]

Originally Posted by John Klein

Self-centered, for the most part but egotistical? Na. Sounds more like you're an egotist since you have to speak ill about a different version that is completely optional and those who are interested in it because you don't like it, I'll give you that at the very least you are not complaining like it is the only version of the film.

If you honestly think the black and white era was "lifeless" then you obviously havent seen many black and white films because there have been some glorious examples of black and white cinematography.
It works wonders for shadow and light. For example I would never ever want to watch something like The Third Man or the original Frankenstein in colour, they'd be completely different films.
Colour can add a tremendous amount of character for sure but it doesn't make it okay to berate people who enjoy black and white.

I make no excuses or apologies about it.... i hate black and white. You might say that it's not lifeless but i disagree and not only lifeless but grim and depressing and for me a big part of motion picture is the color opposite black and white [especially as someone who has lived in grim depressing atmosphere/life it has no place in my imaginary worlds and fantasy]. I'm sitting here now gazing upon the open waters in the series "Black Sails" as Flint stands boldy on his ship and i couldn't even fathom these magnificent and beautiful colors not being there. That goes for just about everything i've ever experienced. Color has always been of great importance in relation to motion picture for me. It's essential.

To relay a story, my grandmother lived in that period where everything was black and white. She told me a story about how she saw color for the first time in a moving picture... i forget what it was exactly but it was Disney i believe, and she spoke of how she instantly burst into tears upon seeing it. Do you think she would ever want to go back to that abomination that was black and white? Hell no. As she told me that story she thanks Disney for bringing this color with a sincere reverence. That's someone who lived in it and experienced it first hand.

That's not to say it can't be used artistically. For example, there's a scene within Agent Carter where they show black and white film footage and it's done very well and fits with that scene. I took no issue with that as it was a short scene and used for contrast and purpose artistically alongside color.

What i'm mainly speaking of is the entire thing being so. That i can't accept, i simply tolerate it when needing to do so. Even Night of the Living Dead which i've seen numerous times and fits the whole black and white vibe fairly well because of the lifelessness of the zombies and grimdark atmosphere it still isn't something i enjoy. One episode of a series, a scene here and there using it artistically alongside color... okay/alright but the entire thing is crossing the line for me.

If others feel differently that's up to them to decide for their self. That is a conclusion i came to. They must come to their own conclusions. I won't be supporting it for reasons i've explained as i don't care and have no interest for that fad/movement to take shape, however.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by bumblefeet

I first read George Miller saying the 2D version was the way to go for experiencing his film.

There's that one scene that looks ridiculous in 2D.

Originally Posted by rickah88

I'm no hipster, but:

The Elephant Man, Sin City, The Artist, Ed Wood, Clerks, Young Frankenstein, Nebraska, Good Night and Good Luck, Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid

all disagree. But hey...to each his/her own.

I don't think Sin City technically counts as a B&W film.

Missed it by that much!

[MifuneFan]

Is there any way that we as a community can stop explorer6 from procreating?

[Arawn]

Just say no!

[lkmg]

Will there be a 3D B&W version?

[Mr. Chaverria]

Originally Posted by explorer6

I make no excuses or apologies about it.... i hate black and white. You might say that it's not lifeless but i disagree and not only lifeless but grim and depressing and for me a big part of motion picture is the color opposite black and white [especially as someone who has lived in grim depressing atmosphere/life it has no place in my imaginary worlds and fantasy]. I'm sitting here now gazing upon the open waters in the series "Black Sails" as Flint stands boldy on his ship and i couldn't even fathom these magnificent and beautiful colors not being there. That goes for just about everything i've ever experienced. Color has always been of great importance in relation to motion picture for me. It's essential.

To relay a story, my grandmother lived in that period where everything was black and white. She told me a story about how she saw color for the first time in a moving picture... i forget what it was exactly but it was Disney i believe, and she spoke of how she instantly burst into tears upon seeing it. Do you think she would ever want to go back to that abomination that was black and white? Hell no. As she told me that story she thanks Disney for bringing this color with a sincere reverence. That's someone who lived in it and experienced it first hand.

That's not to say it can't be used artistically. For example, there's a scene within Agent Carter where they show black and white film footage and it's done very well and fits with that scene. I took no issue with that as it was a short scene and used for contrast and purpose artistically alongside color.

What i'm mainly speaking of is the entire thing being so. That i can't accept, i simply tolerate it when needing to do so. Even Night of the Living Dead which i've seen numerous times and fits the whole black and white vibe fairly well because of the lifelessness of the zombies and grimdark atmosphere it still isn't something i enjoy. One episode of a series, a scene here and there using it artistically alongside color... okay/alright but the entire thing is crossing the line for me.

If others feel differently that's up to them to decide for their self. That is a conclusion i came to. They must come to their own conclusions. I won't be supporting it for reasons i've explained as i don't care and have no interest for that fad/movement to take shape, however.

That's fine and dandy for your grandmother but also it's what she had or didn't have in her time. It doesn't make it wrong to still be an option either.

It's ignorant to think that it's a possibility for movement. The math alone doesn't add up for it to be a popular thing today. Just.... doesn't make sense.

It's become another notch on the tool belt for a filmmaker to use. That's it now. Your worry for it is troublesome cuz i just doesn't make sense.

There's nothing wrong w/ going black and white. I'm sure there's a style or purpose for it now. Especially w/ film dying off bit by bit. It's just not something to become a fad. Color will be dominant. There's no need to get so emotional about the color spectrum use for film... unless it's needless teal and orange.

Your factor for essentialness is in taste and not in need. Black and White was the option for some of the past due to what they had. As was the lack of sound. Sound and Color are dominant. I can't imagine anything really overcoming those two.

Orson Welles had said to Bogdanovich that B&W was the actor's friend. Meaning that almost all of your emotional focus is on the performance instead of what makes up the rest of visual. To a degree, he was right. It's all on the actor, for those films created like that. Obviously that attention is moot when making a film in color to B&W but it doesn't negate that it still has a purpose. Also... the color change may make a film look better. The Mist has that option. And I think that one really becomes a better film for it. Making it much more raw and bleak. Darabont even came up w/ his vision for it in B&W. Obviously that wouldn't sell but he gave us that option on BD/DVD too. Neat added element to it.

There's just nothing wrong w/ B&W. If you don't like watching that material, that's fine. Some people don't like watching films not in their language either. Some people don't like watching certain genres. Etc. etc. But to negate it as a continued existence is foolish and ignorant.

Originally Posted by lkmg

Will there be a 3D B&W version?

Doubt it. Warner, and other studios too, don't like to give that kind of option for films that are different from release. WB didn't do that w/ the Diamond Luxe edition of Gravity. No 3D on that one.

[Blu Ya Brainz Out]

Originally Posted by H.E. Pennypacker

This is a poor argument. It borders on Straw Man fallacy.

There is no way of telling what this movie would be like if Michael Bay had directed it. It is also illogical to say such things seeing as this franchise is Miller's through and through.

Opinions are welcome but let's be more intelligent before we click "submit reply"

I can tell you what it would of been like had Michael Bay had directed it, it would of been a brainless popcorn movie that might not be a classic but it would of done what action movies are supposed to do, entertain. Don't tell me "opinions are welcome" like you are some moderator, I'll share whatever opinion I have and I won't change it because its not the popular one. I swear this is some campaign to make this movie more than it is because no one I have talked to in person has ever shared the opinion of the online community on what a "masterpiece" this movie is, its only on the internet and I clearly remember seeing a bunch of people mumbling about it being disappointing when exiting the theater. I like movies other people don't and vice versa but the difference is if they tell me they don't like it and give reasons and don't just say "nope it sucks" I don't insult htem and try to tell them they are wrong. I miss the days of good action movies, just watched the last boy scout the other day and that is a movie that while not great at least puts in some effort, now days I guess this is what passes for "action" well if I wanted to watch someone play video games I can sit at home and do that and thats exactly what this movie felt like despite being touted as "99 percent practical".

[rickah88]

I don't care for a lot of films either.
Here's what I don't do: post in their threads.

I cut my losses once the runtime is over.

Edit: funny how it always seems to be new member with no collection listed that are among the most outspoken in a negative manner.

[Blu Ya Brainz Out]

Originally Posted by JackKnightStarman

I agree. What gets me even more, as the same people pop in every couple of pages, with the same complaints for the past 1000+ pages. I have strong feelings on Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy, but you don't see me and others camped out in the thread constantly picking fights with fans of the movies. The repetitive complaining by a vocal few, who can't seem to grasp that people like something, or being popular film, all rolled into one.

Just like all the people who praise it keep popping up showering it with admiration as if its a Stanley Kubrick film, and the people who don't like it don't pick fights with anyone they say they don't like it and why and get insulted over it and then say something in response to the insult. Why not just have a rule instated that "this is not a discussion board anymore it is now a fan site and if you have nothing nice to say about my favorite movie don't so anything at all"

[mikesncc1701]

Originally Posted by Blu Ya Brainz Out

I can tell you what it would of been like had Michael Bay had directed it, it would of been a brainless popcorn movie that might not be a classic but it would of done what action movies are supposed to do, entertain. Don't tell me "opinions are welcome" like you are some moderator, I'll share whatever opinion I have and I won't change it because its not the popular one. I swear this is some campaign to make this movie more than it is because no one I have talked to in person has ever shared the opinion of the online community on what a "masterpiece" this movie is, its only on the internet and I clearly remember seeing a bunch of people mumbling about it being disappointing when exiting the theater. I like movies other people don't and vice versa but the difference is if they tell me they don't like it and give reasons and don't just say "nope it sucks" I don't insult htem and try to tell them they are wrong. I miss the days of good action movies, just watched the last boy scout the other day and that is a movie that while not great at least puts in some effort, now days I guess this is what passes for "action" well if I wanted to watch someone play video games I can sit at home and do that and thats exactly what this movie felt like despite being touted as "99 percent practical".

Originally Posted by Blu Ya Brainz Out

Just like all the people who praise it keep popping up showering it with admiration as if its a Stanley Kubrick film, and the people who don't like it don't pick fights with anyone they say they don't like it and why and get insulted over it and then say something in response to the insult. Why not just have a rule instated that "this is not a discussion board anymore it is now a fan site and if you have nothing nice to say about my favorite movie don't so anything at all"

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by explorer6

I have no interesting in anything black and white in the modern world. Color is everything. Color is progression from a once lifeless black and white era. Let the hipsters have it who think they're unique for watching a black and white film because all of the wondrous color isn't good enough for them but i'm not rooting for it's success as i don't want to see black and white releases anytime soon. As long as they don't get in the way of color it's fine but next thing you know some directors will start losing their minds and only doing something in black and white.

If a film maker wants to shoot in black and white in this day and age then whatever it's their choice. If you don't like than don't watch it. Personally I don't have a problem with it.

Also the black and white era of film making was far from lifeless. Some of the best films ever made came out during that time period.

Stop being an arse and insulting people who like it.

[imsounoriginal]

[JJLong]

Originally Posted by Blu Ya Brainz Out

I can tell you what it would of been like had Michael Bay had directed it, it would of been a brainless popcorn movie that might not be a classic but it would of done what action movies are supposed to do, entertain. Don't tell me "opinions are welcome" like you are some moderator, I'll share whatever opinion I have and I won't change it because its not the popular one. I swear this is some campaign to make this movie more than it is because no one I have talked to in person has ever shared the opinion of the online community on what a "masterpiece" this movie is, its only on the internet and I clearly remember seeing a bunch of people mumbling about it being disappointing when exiting the theater. I like movies other people don't and vice versa but the difference is if they tell me they don't like it and give reasons and don't just say "nope it sucks" I don't insult htem and try to tell them they are wrong. I miss the days of good action movies, just watched the last boy scout the other day and that is a movie that while not great at least puts in some effort, now days I guess this is what passes for "action" well if I wanted to watch someone play video games I can sit at home and do that and thats exactly what this movie felt like despite being touted as "99 percent practical".

I dislike this idea that movies in certain genre's are supposed to do anything, that there is this stringent view of how things should be.

I often argue with people about this in regards to superhero movies. I see plenty of people claim, simply because they see Marvel movies as the current standard, that superhero movies should not be serious movies. That there needs to be plenty of humor because the premise of these movies is ridiculous and therefore has to be treated in a certain way, and I very much disagree with that.

Also, when it comes to Michael Bay, this idea that he is maligned simply because he is Michael Bay is ridiculous. He's had movies that people see in a positive light, like The Rock and the first Transformers.

One of the reasons why people like Fury Road so much in comparison with not just Bay's action movies, but almost every action movie for the past probably 15 years is because of the way that action is handled and presented.

The action is presented in a clear manner. There is no shaky cam like in the Bourne movies. And while there is plenty going on, the action is shot so that it can be digested and understood in a clear manner.

And the action also has weight to it, in two different ways.

Weight in one sense that one can feel that there is actual danger for characters in those scenes and because of the presentation, there is feeling for the characters.

And weight in another way that differs from a big CGI scene. For all of the great advances in CGI that there has been, there is still a sense that there isn't actual physical weight to what is being presented. The difference between an actual car being destroyed and a CGI car being destroyed can be felt.

Also, the movie knows how to pace itself. And I look at Fury Road in comparison to Age of Ultron and The Winter Solider for this point. Those Marvel movies are a good example of poor action pacing, because they peak before getting to the actually finale of their movies. Fury Road on the other hand builds action properly to culminate to the finale instead of doing too much too early like Age of Ultron and Winter Solider.