Scream 4K UHD (1996)

[bratpack]

Originally Posted by NoFro

Scream 3 is god damn awful in my opinion. 1 and 2 are classics, about as good as each other. I think the 2nd is actually the scariest. 4 is almost great but is just a bit too goofy (though still nowhere near as goofy as 3). I unfairly blame Ehren Kruger for all the bad things about it and attribute all the good parts to Williamson.

I wouldn’t blame Kruger he was just a hired guy plus that movie suffered big time because of real life events that took place during its production it’s clear the move to Hollywood and more comedy injections was definitely a last minute choice to get as far away as possible from serious high school violence if anyone should get the brunt of the blame it’s the Weinsteins who just can’t let things be but also you can understand why they went into overdrive with 3 because of Columbine

[nofear6061]

Originally Posted by MazeRunner

Anyone have any pictures of what this magical director's cut VHS looks like?

These three VHS releases, while they don't SAY they are the unrated cut, and despite them listing an 'R' rating on the back, are all actually the unrated cut. I can confirm this.

[nin74]

Maybe one could rip the LD and make a uncut version with a rip of the UHD.

[happydood]

I'm definitely down with an unrated cut, but isn't the first priority to get the theatrical cut in the best form possible?

[Jay H.]

Originally Posted by nofear6061

These three VHS releases, while they don't SAY they are the unrated cut, and despite them listing an 'R' rating on the back, are all actually the unrated cut. I can confirm this.

I used to have the one on the far-left, and it was not the unrated cut. A friend of mine had the unrated Laserdisc, and I only saw it once.

[nofear6061]

I have the one with Drew Barrymore, and it most definitely is the unrated version.

[Christian Muth]

Originally Posted by happydood

I'm definitely down with an unrated cut, but isn't the first priority to get the theatrical cut in the best form possible?

No.

Chris

[meremortal]

I'm most familiar with whichever version was released theatrically and then vhs. Though I do have the unrated LD as well. Remember seeing this in the theater and thought it was really unique at the time since the slasher formula was pretty stale for years. It wasn't the first "self aware" horror movie of its kind by any means but it's arguably the most influential. The movie had a huge impact back then and still does to this day. Hope this is definitely getting released since the blu is pretty mediocre.

[Jay H.]

The unrated version of Scream was released in the U.S. on physical media in the Laserdisc format only. It was not released on VHS, DVD, or Blu-ray. And that's all I have to say.

If anyone wishes to see the cut footage, here it is:

Scream Unrated Footage [Widescreen - High Quality] - YouTube

[CaptWithNoName]

Still have my Neve Campbell version, and remember being taken aback by the extended Steve death seq.

R-rated or Unrated, a welcome addition to the 4K collection.

[Zukb]

Originally Posted by nofear6061

I've never heard about any specific cuts in regards to Scream 2, nor about any cuts having to be made at all, actually, but I suppose, maybe, I missed something. I could've sworn, though, that in the S2 commentary or something, Wes even said that no cuts had to be made for the MPAA, which he was thankful for, considering the mess with the first film. I could be mistaken, though. And, I suppose, in regards to Hallie's death scene, it wouldn't be too surprising, considering that death seems to have very shoddy editing. We hear quick stabs, see Ghostface holding her, and that's it. Kinda DOES feel like something's missing.

So from my memory in the commentary they do mention the cuts in

[Show spoiler]Randy's death scene and Hallies. To me Hallie's is pretty obvious, but I think it's a case where Craven didn't miss it

. The camera rehearsal being the closing shot of Scream 2 is definitely mentioned in the commentary and I don't think Williamson wrote Ghostface being in the bell tower- it was just something they threw in thinking it would be a hook for the third film. Such a good choice to ditch that idea, but it would be interesting to see it if the film elements still exist. Also from my memory they were going to tease Ghostface at the end of Gale and Dewey's 1st scene (after Sidney punches her again). If you notice at the end of that scene they dissolve to the sorority party. Originally the camera panned and Ghostface was shown stalking them. Smart to get rid of it again- seeing as the colleges courtyard is established as such a well populated area. Obviously even a psychopath isn't just going to traipse around in full costume.

Scream 2 was such a mess from a production standpoint that it is kind of a mini-miracle that it turned out as well as it did. Between part of the script making it onto the internet, to them basically having to improvise most of the third act. I really hope if it gets a new physical release that we'll get to hear more of the stories that went on behind the scenes- especially now that Weinstein is out of the picture.

[MazeRunner]

Originally Posted by bratpack

I wouldn’t blame Kruger he was just a hired guy plus that movie suffered big time because of real life events that took place during its production it’s clear the move to Hollywood and more comedy injections was definitely a last minute choice to get as far away as possible from serious high school violence if anyone should get the brunt of the blame it’s the Weinsteins who just can’t let things be but also you can understand why they went into overdrive with 3 because of Columbine

Kevin Williamson gets too much praise in my opinion. The only true great thing he wrote was the first Scream. The sequels were improved by other people's rewrites and Wes Craven.

The Scream 4 script by Williamson is a hot mess. He tries to cram so many things in the final 15 pages. Jill's original monologue is way shorter and has nothing to do with social media or fame at all. So if Ehren Kruger came up with that, then I'm glad. Also love the hospital ending he wrote and probably the best line of the film, "Don't F with the original."

The final 15 pages of Williamson's Scream 4 script have so many typos. There's so many great lines not in the original script: "Before you get in the car you have to promise not to kill me", "One generation's tragedy is the next one's joke", etc.

Rebecca’s parking garage scene is also very short in Williamson’s script. It just has her walking to the car, Ghostface calling her and saying “to make Sidney stay in town I’m going to kill her assistant” and hangs up, then appears beside her car, arm breaking through the glass and grabbing her by the throat.

Speaking of the weak Ghostface calls in Williamson’s script.. it’s prevalent. Sidney’s call in Olivia’s bedroom is just something like “I’m going to make a Stab 8 where you die” and that’s it. The phone call in Kate and Jill's kitchen is short and boring in the original script too.

The Cinema Club scene doesn’t exist in Williamson’s script. It’s just Gale and Dewey questioning Charlie and Robbie in the classroom and Charlie saying he’s not a slasher person. “I’m more cult, Argento, early Lynch, my tastes are subversive.”

The Stab-a-thon doesn't exist in Williamson's original script either. Gale is useless in the movie and just follows Dewey or Hicks around.

Williamson’s original Scream 4 draft had an English teacher named Mr. Baker who was a suspect even though he only had a few lines. The doctor at the hospital was also Steven Orth’s older brother, who may have been a red herring.

Also, Sidney is much more mopey in Williamson’s script. She even says “I hate my life” lol what. Why did he make her sound like a teenager. Basically all of Sidney’s dialogue is changed and way better and changes her as a person.

Williamson’s original script also hints at a 3rd killer. There's a Ghostface who tied up Charlie and is playing horror trivia with Kirby and Sidney.. while Jill is still in the house upstairs and Deputy Hicks and Gale are also at Kirby's. Gale disappears for some reason and reappears at the end when Dewey shows up with the media.

Williamson's entire third act dialogue is just so bad. He set up Kate's murder and Kirby's house, but it's different and not as good and plays out differently.

So please stop giving Williamson praise when his original Scream 4 script comes off like a bad fanfic. Whoever did rewrites saved it.

[MazeRunner]

Originally Posted by Zukb

Scream 2 was such a mess from a production standpoint that it is kind of a mini-miracle that it turned out as well as it did. Between part of the script making it onto the internet, to them basically having to improvise most of the third act. I really hope if it gets a new physical release that we'll get to hear more of the stories that went on behind the scenes- especially now that Weinstein is out of the picture.

"Scream 2" Trailer - YouTube

We need the "It's time, GIRLFRIEND!" cut.

[Zukb]

Originally Posted by MazeRunner

Kevin Williamson gets too much praise in my opinion. The only true great thing he wrote was the first Scream. The sequels were improved by other people's rewrites and Wes Craven.

I think you make a good point. Williamson definitely deserves credit for the first film and for other things he wrote around that time, but he basically wrote one draft for Scream 2 and then was unavailable for rewrites (because of Dawson's Creek) so Craven and the cast had to rewrite it as they went. And then even do pickups and reshoots at the end of filming to fill in the gaps.

[Zukb]

Originally Posted by MazeRunner

"Scream 2" Trailer - YouTube

We need the "It's time, GIRLFRIEND!" cut.

If you go through that trailer frame by frame one of the killers from the end scene is revealed.

[tylergfoster]

I actually have the unrated cut on a Japanese DVD, which came in a CD-sized case, and I believe is non-anamorphic. It looks awful!

[MazeRunner]

Originally Posted by Zukb

If you go through that trailer frame by frame one of the killers from the end scene is revealed.

You can also easily tell Randy will die.

Good thing Youtube wasn't around back then.

There's also some creepy looking 40 year old dude sitting on the stage?

[Nori]

Probably an unpopular opinion but I think Scream 4 is awesome. At the very least much better than 3.

[oubukibun]

Just a fun sidenote: some of the regular VHS editions for Scream also had the NC-17 cut. I lucked out when my dad bought me both 1 and 2 when I couldn't decide between both, and much to my delighted shock, once Steve's guts hit the ground, I instantly realized I had somehow stumbled onto gold.

This is the case I have, btw:

[andreasy969]

Originally Posted by MazeRunner

Anyone have any pictures of what this magical director's cut VHS looks like?

If you don't mind PAL speed up, there's also a German DVD of the Unrated: https://www.blu-ray.com/dvd/Scream-DVD/154269/

It's OOP since forever, but one can still buy it used. I'm holding it dear at any rate. Actually still the only version I own, since the BDs of 1-3 are no good and I never bothered. EDIT: Going by caps-a-holic, I think it actually looks better than BD lol. Now I know again why I never bothered.