Immaculate (2024)

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by Foggy

I mean, do a Google search for Immaculate Wade vs Roe or Immaculate Abortion and you’ll find tons of other publications making the same link.

They wrote opinions pieces. Two articles both females from NY and somewhere in the UK. Like the person you quoted said. You’re speaking for the screenwriters and filmmakers, whereas the only articles are from film reviewers trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

[Foggy]

This conversation has well warped out of shape, I can’t believe this started from a basic point that if a film revolves around religion that only religious people can like it.

[levcore]

It's not worth arguing and bickering over this movie.

[nono]

To be fair, we're here on Blu-Ray.com: we don't care much about people's opinion on movies. There's other websites for that.

Here we care about quality of picture, of sound, of special features.

Here specifically, we want to know if that german 4K transfer of Immaculate renders better shades of blacks than the streaming versions and the worldwide 1080p Blu-Ray.
We absolutely don't care if someone got offended by watching the movie 🙄

[GaragePoet]

Originally Posted by nono

To be fair, we're here on Blu-Ray.com: we don't care much about people's opinion on movies. There's other websites for that.

Here we care about quality of picture, of sound, of special features.

Here specifically, we want to know if that german 4K transfer of Immaculate renders better shades of blacks than the streaming versions and the worldwide 1080p Blu-Ray.
We absolutely don't care if someone got offended by watching the movie ��

actually, those discussions belong under the Blu-ray section of the forum

this thread is located in the Movies section of the forum, designated for "general discussion of movies, theatrical, box office, actors and actresses, etc."

to insist, as Ant-man has, that it is inappropriate to "speak for the filmmakers" when discussing the subtext of a particular film - IN a forum which is dedicated to general discussion of films - is completely asinine

[nono]

Originally Posted by GaragePoet

actually, those discussions belong under the Blu-ray section of the forum

this thread is located in the Movies section of the forum, designated for "general discussion of movies, theatrical, box office, actors and actresses, etc."

to insist, as Ant-man has, that it is inappropriate to "speak for the filmmakers" when discussing the subtext of a particular film - IN a forum which is dedicated to general discussion of films - is completely asinine

My mistake then! I haven't logged in here since years and forgot there was such a section. My apologies.

I got confused as I got redirected here I don't know how from the page of the 4K german disc. Strange.

[nono]

Ha I just found out how. 100% my mistake. Shame shame shame to quote the famous tv show.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by nono

Ha I just found out how. 100% my mistake. Shame shame shame to quote the famous tv show.

To be fair, the suggestion of conversation sounds far more blissful than the one I was in.

[vanlutz]

Originally Posted by Foggy

Ha, piss off mate, any one worth their grain of salt on here knows that’s not true.

If you can’t tell the film is an allegory for a post Wade vs Roe overturning I don’t know what to tell you. It preys on the real fears of many women forced to harbour a child against their will.

It’s fine you don’t like the film, I’m not crazy on it. I just think the whole idea that you have to be religious to engage with a film about religion is pretty daft.it’s people sharing ideas and their vantage points. I left religion behind a very long time ago, but I still find films like The Last Temptation of Christ, The Gospel According to St. Matthew and A Hidden Life interesting and fascinating because they about understanding people’s beliefs in faith.

I’d go pretty far as to say Immaculate is very obviously an anti-religious film, so even not being religious shouldn’t really factor. It’s pretty clear the film doesn’t share the view point of the lead character and spends pretty much the entire film rapidly dismantling and even punishing her for it.

Yet you still couldn't explain the ending. Guess it wasn't as blunt as you believe. Or perhaps you didn't understand the question.

Roe Wade has nothing to with the ending. Or are you implying that the girl who believed in God so much she became a Nun decided because of Roe Wade to murder her live child after birth?

I'll change my opinion from you don't watch many movies to you don't understand what you're watching, which is probably worse. I'd say piss off, but you probably do that on a regular basis, while you're staring blankly at your screen thinking you get it.

[Foggy]

It’s called subtext mate. You’re taking the film very literally.

[GaragePoet]

Originally Posted by vanlutz

I'll change my opinion from you don't watch many movies to you don't understand what you're watching, which is probably worse.

fundamentalism breeds no irony

[SumDumGy]

Originally Posted by Foggy

I mean, do a Google search for Immaculate Wade vs Roe or Immaculate Abortion and you’ll find tons of other publications making the same link.

The entire basis of film criticism, theory and writing is interpreting film in ways that you individual view. Imagine going to Roger Ebert and saying “ah, you know man, I haven’t heard the director say that, I don’t think you’re qualified to really say that”.

There’s a difference between speculating for the sake of interpretation, and making any claims about what a filmmaker’s motives and intentions were. Filmmakers are artistic expressionists. There’s no reason to be so arrogant as to put words in their mouths for them.

Originally Posted by levcore

It's not worth arguing and bickering over this movie.

It was hardly worth watching.

Originally Posted by nono

To be fair, we're here on Blu-Ray.com: we don't care much about people's opinion on movies. There's other websites for that.

Here we care about quality of picture, of sound, of special features.

Here specifically, we want to know if that german 4K transfer of Immaculate renders better shades of blacks than the streaming versions and the worldwide 1080p Blu-Ray.
We absolutely don't care if someone got offended by watching the movie 🙄

We could only wish all that were true. I’d settle for a simple respect of the opinions of others since we as humans cannot refrain from expressing them.

Originally Posted by GaragePoet

to insist, as Ant-man has, that it is inappropriate to "speak for the filmmakers" when discussing the subtext of a particular film - IN a forum which is dedicated to general discussion of films - is completely asinine

As far as I’m concerned, it’s always inappropriate to speak for others who are capable of speaking for themselves, unless you have license to do so. Otherwise, speculate, interpret and theorize all day long, because unless the filmmaker has shared it with the audience, we don’t have a clue what the subtext is at all.

[GaragePoet]

Originally Posted by SumDumGy

As far as I’m concerned, it’s always inappropriate to speak for others who are capable of speaking for themselves, unless you have license to do so. Otherwise, speculate, interpret and theorize all day long, because unless the filmmaker has shared it with the audience, we don’t have a clue what the subtext is at all.

again, DumGuy, you are in a dedicated discussion forum. if you were so committed to your principles you would simply excuse yourself

[SumDumGy]

Originally Posted by GaragePoet

again, DumGuy, you are in a dedicated discussion forum. if you were so committed to your principles you would simply excuse yourself

Do you have anything relevant to contribute or do you simply come here to dictate other people’s principles to them?

[GaragePoet]

Originally Posted by levcore

It's not worth arguing and bickering over this movie.

Originally Posted by SumDumGy

It was hardly worth watching.

and yet here you are, lecturing people for having opinions on the internet of all places

[GaragePoet]

Originally Posted by SumDumGy

I have an opinion. I made an observation. I never claimed to be right. It’s simply my opinion that I do not see this as anything more than a thriller. Others can think it’s a horror film. You want me to move on? I’m making less a deal about this than many of you are. Get off your high horse.

Originally Posted by SumDumGy

Unless you’re hearing all this from the filmmakers themselves, you really shouldn’t be trying to speak for them. You aren’t qualified. With each post of yours I’ve read here on this film, you only made yourself look more the fool, with all due respect.

did you hear it from the filmmakers that this is only a thriller and not a horror film? what are your sources? otherwise you shouldn't be thinking things

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by GaragePoet

did you hear it from the filmmakers that this is only a thriller and not a horror film? what are your sources? otherwise you shouldn't be thinking things

Actually, I can find a quote that backs up it’s a horror film from Mohan himself

And though the film – which is, at the end of the day, about a forced birth by a religious institution laying claim to a woman’s body – is already getting its share of blowback from certain conservative corners of the internet, Mohan is unbothered. “I don’t think of it as a problem. I think it’s a necessary conversation, and if a film can inspire that conversation, then we’ve done our job. But I also want to be really clear: I want that conversation to be started by the audience. I don’t want them to look at us and go ‘Look at those social justice warriors!’” Mohan seems more invested in having Immaculate carry out horror’s other important mission: scarring people for life. “We made a horror movie that’s ****ed up and crazy. We smuggled gonzo horror into a mainstream package,” he says enthusiastically. “The fact that kids in suburban multiplexes get to witness this ending is just ****ing insane to me.”

https://www.fangoria.com/immaculate-...eeney-spoiler/

Also interesting is how he said he’s welcoming debate and conversation, I managed to find another quote about how he’s believes he’s left the ending open to interpretation:

In this film what she gives birth to represents something even greater than a physical form. And so allowing the audience to have a movie that demands them to interpret the ending is something that I'm just really grateful we have the ability to do.

https://dailydead.com/immaculate-int...ding-and-more/

It’s almost like the filmmaker is welcoming different takes and readings into the film over blanket just spelling it out to audiences.

[nono]

I don't know if this interest people in this thread, but I just got the 4K German release in my mail this morning.

Tracks on the 4K disc are :
- German DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
- English/Italien DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1

Subtitles are :
- German
- English for the hearing paired

It's the same on 1080p BR disc.

[vanlutz]

Originally Posted by Foggy

It’s called subtext mate. You’re taking the film very literally.

Or in other words, you don't have a clue.

[SumDumGy]

Originally Posted by GaragePoet

and yet here you are, lecturing people for having opinions on the internet of all places

Am I? Here I thought I was criticizing people for speaking for other people and was very clear on that point, distinguishing the difference between speaking for others and expressing opinions/speculating/theorizing, etc. I’m sorry you can’t distinguish the difference even when it’s laid out in front of you.

Originally Posted by GaragePoet

did you hear it from the filmmakers that this is only a thriller and not a horror film? what are your sources? otherwise you shouldn't be thinking things

I don’t recall my exact words but I don’t believe I ever stated it’s not a horror film. The very posts of mine you’re quoting made it once again clear I was expressing an opinion, not speaking for others, and I cited another example of the debate others have had of their opinions on horror vs. thrillers. To me, this film was nothing more than a thriller. That’s my opinion, my perspective and how the film comes across to me, nothing more.

You have no argument here. My own posts counter the quotes of mine you’re trying to use against me. Selective usage of them won’t help you make your case.