Official Terminator Thread

[Diesel]

Neither.

The franchise isn't dead at all.

As for asking if Bale's rant killed it.....


I thought it was directed quite well, and was a great movie.
The best of the year.

I agree that this should be merged into the Terminator Mega thread.

[nathanp]

I don't know if McG killed it completely, but he definitely gave it a good beating. It's not entirely his fault though, I'd place most of the blame on the producer that hired him.

[fletchlives]

I thought it was a good movie. Wasn't the best in the franchise no doubt, but not a disaster and not a poorly directed movie by any means. I'll be grabbing the blu for sure.

[Lord_Stewie]

He didn't kill the franchise, he merely raped it.

I can't stand McG IMO, face it the guy is terrible at telling stories. looked at what he did with Charlie Angels: Full Throttle.

[Sussudio]

I think Bale's rant has been long forgotten (until it was resurrected by this thread ) and it's association with the movie would have very little effect on whether a sequel is green lit....come on.....

And for the record, I don't think you can kill something that's already been made great. T1 and T2 were awesome and will always be awesome imo. I like to forget T3 even exists, and it doesn't taint my perception of 1 and 2 at all (and neither does 4).

[Duffy12]

Hey guys.

I never saw this one in the theaters, but I was thinking of purchasing it as a 'blind buy' when it comes out on Blu.

How does it compare to T3 which I can't stand at all?

Thanks

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[tbizzle]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

How does it compare to T3 which I can't stand at all?

It's nothing like it, but doesn't quite have the feel of the older ones either. It's kind of a new take on the series, but done well IMO. I would say than any Terminator fan will like the new one, but some might not be as crazy about it as others. I'm definitely buying it, I thought it was pretty sweet.

And it's gonna sound INSANE on blu!

[GreenScar]

Originally Posted by tbizzle

And it's gonna sound INSANE on blu!

[icyteddy]

Normally if a movie turns a profit for the studio, then it is a safe assurance the franchise will go on. I believe Salvation although not a blockbuster the studios had hope for, still turn out a profit at the theaters. This does not include home videos sales or other merchandising.

[KentDog]

Salvation didn't knock my socks off, but by no means was it garbage. I rate it above T3, though not by much. In my opinion, the story and script hurt it more than McG's directing.

[jk1138]

Dead? I thought T4 was as good as any of them, it many ways I likes it better, so no it is not dead not by a long shot.

[assydingo]

Originally Posted by KentDog

Salvation didn't knock my socks off, but by no means was it garbage. I rate it above T3, though not by much. In my opinion, the story and script hurt it more than McG's directing.

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[Realist01]

I don't feel McG ruined the franchise, however, I do feel it should have stopped with Judgement Day, unless Cameron could have continued with the series. You cant say Rob Zombie or any other directors that made sequels to Halloween killed the franchise. Some movies just shouldn't even have a franchise to begin with. Nightmare on Elm Street, Exorcist, Psycho, etc.

I do believe some sequels are necessary, but when you start getting into part 3 or part 4, that's when it should be stopped. Until moviegoers realize this, there will always be crummy sequels, horrible additions to what should never be a franchise, and awful remakes.

[Realist01]

Originally Posted by jk1138

Dead? I thought T4 was as good as any of them, it many ways I likes it better, so no it is not dead not by a long shot.

Typical moviegoer who makes this s*** happen that keeps going and going on.

[Freekman]

I enjoyed Salvation. Can't wait for the Blu. McG made the series better, if anything.

[zany6669]

Well I don't mean to offend anyone, but McG certainly killed the Terminator franchise for me.

I've been a huge Terminator fan forever, have every DVD and now Blu-Ray released, a replica T-800 arm on display and even have 2 skynet T-shirts that I wear proudly to this day despite the new Terminator films being absolutely terrible.

Look, I really do think that both the writing and direction of Salvation were just completely sub-par and that is completely against what Terminator stands for. The first 2 films were great action movies but they also had compelling character and interesting somewhat philosophical plots. There was a real sense of danger in them and repurcussion. The direction by Cameron was fantastic and really capitalized on the suspense and horro of being pursued by a relentless killing machine all the while underpinned with a message that, if we don't stop trying to invent new ways to kill each other, we could manage to inadvertantly bring about our own destruction.

McG's film had absolutley no engagement with the mythos and aesthetic of the original Terminator films. It plainly ignored facts from earlier installments and reduced characters we cared about from previous films to simply line reading puppets in an over-budgeted music video of a PG-13 Terminator film.

I cannot believe that Kyle Reese started life as that pansy, that the furute fighters forgot that they stay down by day and move around by night, that the resistance has air support and a submarine and is composed of a cosmopolitan cast of Kmart fashion models, that Skynet has a centralised building protected by a minimal amount of Terminators with one T-800 waiting behind a door just to surprise John Connor with a familair face when he opens it (Boo!)

The film was pointless and boring and added nothing to the Terminator mythology. I don't know why they didn't give us a full film set in the future war that we know and love. I mean in about ten minutes you could come up with a better plot that didn't involve making John Connor a pointless plot device, introducing a cyborg-human cross that their is no basis for in what has come before. They should have focused on Connor and Reese and ended the film with Connor sending Reese back in time to protect Sarah in the first film (thus creating the infinity loop) but for that to work you'd need a director and writing team who knew what they were doing.

[Hi-Def Steve]

Hell no, nothing can destroy the Terminator series. It will be back!

[Freekman]

Sure, the plot lacked, but it was good entertainment. No one can deny that the film will look and sound amazing on Blu.

[STARSCREAM]

NO, salvation was really good.

[jk1138]

Originally Posted by Realist01

Typical moviegoer who makes this s*** happen that keeps going and going on.

Because I enjoyed a good movie I am a typical moviegoer? I guess you think people should not have an opinion different then yours?

Originally Posted by Realist01

I don't feel McG ruined the franchise, however, I do feel it should have stopped with Judgement Day, unless Cameron could have continued with the series. You cant say Rob Zombie or any other directors that made sequels to Halloween killed the franchise. Some movies just shouldn't even have a franchise to begin with. Nightmare on Elm Street, Exorcist, Psycho, etc.

I do believe some sequels are necessary, but when you start getting into part 3 or part 4, that's when it should be stopped. Until moviegoers realize this, there will always be crummy sequels, horrible additions to what should never be a franchise, and awful remakes.

I am glad you do not get to decide for the rest of us. While it is true some sequels are crap, there are so many more that are fantastic, if you do not like them do not watch them that simple...