Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

For a look at some UHD eye candy download the Cymatic Jazz HDR10 video file here. It is about 1 GB in size, when playing the Oppo showed the video data rate around 60 Mbps bouncing up to 70 Mbps. So folks that are limited to 100 Base-T connections should be able to play it.

[AnamorphicWidescreen]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I would agree with the idea there are a lot less people renting physical media (and if they don't rent then here is no use for a player) but the effect on purchasing physical media would be negligible (as EST show). I think it is also possible that people that mostly rent shifted to renting more. But I don't think that buyers (or the buy portion to mostly renters) has switched t from physical to streaming (or Dl) that is why the EST numbers are so week.

The problem is that you fail to realize most people were always just renters.

Good points.

I am buying less physical media now that streaming has become so much more advanced & prevalent - and I can't be the only one. However, I haven't gone over completely to streaming. I.e., I may be unusual in that I watch both physical media & stream somewhat as well.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

For a look at some UHD eye candy download the Cymatic Jazz HDR10 video file here. It is about 1 GB in size, when playing the Oppo showed the video data rate around 60 Mbps bouncing up to 70 Mbps. So folks that are limited to 100 Base-T connections should be able to play it.

You can’t beat first class disc based content. Streaming hasn’t got a prayer of competing.

[rui no onna]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You can’t beat first class disc based content. Streaming hasn’t got a prayer of competing.

Lol, now you're sounding like alchav21.

Data is data. If you do a 1:1 rip (no encoding/recompression) of a 4K UHD Blu-ray disc and stream to, say, an Oppo over 1Gbe or 10Gbe LAN, you get the same quality.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by rui no onna

Lol, now you're sounding like alchav21.

Data is data. If you do a 1:1 rip (no encoding/recompression) of a 4K UHD Blu-ray disc and stream to, say, an Oppo over 1Gbe or 10Gbe LAN, you get the same quality.

Lol. Yeah, the mainstream are doing that in their droves!

Who would go to that trouble when you can just pop a disc in?

When people talk about streaming, they are referring to Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, ITunes etc.. all of which have very limited bit rates compared to the mighty Blu-Ray or UHD disc.

[rui no onna]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Who would go to that trouble when you can just pop a disc in?

I would. Easy access to the "disc" library from any room. Plus, it stops others from handling my precious discs and scratching them.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by rui no onna

I would. Easy access to the "disc" library from any room. Plus, it stops others from handling my precious discs and scratching them.

It takes all kinds.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Lol. Yeah, the mainstream are doing that in their droves!

Who would go to that trouble when you can just pop a disc in?

When people talk about streaming, they are referring to Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, ITunes etc.. all of which have very limited bit rates compared to the mighty Blu-Ray or UHD disc.

Don't say it will never happen, because Technology moves forward. 1:1 Streaming is possible, but it's not there yet. With new Codec, HDR, and Adaptive Streaming the Quality will come up dependent on your set-up and Bandwidth.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Don't say it will never happen, because Technology moves forward. 1:1 Streaming is possible, but it's not there yet. With new Codec, HDR, and Adaptive Streaming the Quality will come up dependent on your set-up and Bandwidth.

It doesn't matter what your bandwidth is, it matters what Netflix, Amazon, iTunes, and Vudu's bandwidth is. They are already spending hundreds of millions of dollars on bandwidth, they'd have to spend billions to match discs.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Don't say it will never happen, because Technology moves forward. 1:1 Streaming is possible, but it's not there yet. With new Codec, HDR, and Adaptive Streaming the Quality will come up dependent on your set-up and Bandwidth.

It will never happen.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Don't say it will never happen, because Technology moves forward. 1:1 Streaming is possible, but it's not there yet. With new Codec, HDR, and Adaptive Streaming the Quality will come up dependent on your set-up and Bandwidth.

You’re deluding yourself, it will never happen. You can all the bandwidth you want (just like me I have a sustained 600 mbps down) but when Netflix, Hulu, Apple tops out at 30mpbs, it makes absolutely no difference how “adaptive” it’s going to be. You keep mentioning adaptive streaming but you don’t know how it works.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Lol. Yeah, the mainstream are doing that in their droves!

Who would go to that trouble when you can just pop a disc in?

When people talk about streaming, they are referring to Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, ITunes etc.. all of which have very limited bit rates compared to the mighty Blu-Ray or UHD disc.

I agree Steedeel. I honestly don't understand the desire to rip discs. Sure, the end result may make it a little more convenient, however people that do this certainly aren't saving themselves anytime overall. If ripping a disc was a one minute process, like it is to insert and load up most discs, then maybe I could see the point, but it's not. I would need to insert, load up, and eject a disc more than 10 times before I considered ripping to be a time saving option for me. There are only so many hours in a day... I only watch a movie or two a day, the whole 2-3 minutes it takes me insert, load up and remove 1-2 discs per day, is nothing in comparison to the time I would need to invest if I were to rip discs. To be honest, I also think that ripping is a bit unethical, and is something a lot of geeks do that have nothing better to do than sit in front of their computer for much of the day.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

I agree Steedeel. I honestly don't understand the desire to rip discs. Sure, the end result may make it a little more convenient, however people that do this certainly aren't saving themselves anytime overall. If ripping a disc was a one minute process, like it is to insert and load up most discs, then maybe I could see the point, but it's not. I would need to insert, load up, and eject a disc more than 10 times before I considered ripping to be a time saving option for me. There are only so many hours in a day... I only watch a movie or two a day, the whole 2-3 minutes it takes me insert, load up and remove 1-2 discs per day, is nothing in comparison to the time I would need to invest if I were to rip discs. To be honest, I also think that ripping is a bit unethical, and is something a lot of geeks do that have nothing better to do than sit in front of their computer for much of the day.

I like just going to my display cabinets and picking a film. All this nonsense by digital lovers saying discs are just clutter and untidy is not true. I’m a neat freak and all my discs are displayed in two separate cabinets either side of my back wall. There are around 450 discs in each cabinet. No hassle at all. They are all in order of genre and all easy to access.

I agree, the ripping is just too time consuming. Fuss and nonsense as we say in the U.K. (well some of us anyway)

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Don't say it will never happen, because Technology moves forward. 1:1 Streaming is possible, but it's not there yet. With new Codec, HDR, and Adaptive Streaming the Quality will come up dependent on your set-up and Bandwidth.

Alzheimer's kicking in again? The reason I ask is because you have posted that same, meaningless, post many times. And most every time you do folks try to explain to you why it is meaningless but as usual, you never learn.

New codec - requires new hardware, may come in time and if it has an advantage then disc players will be the most likely place it will be used first.

HDR - been around for several years now.

Adaptive Streaming - it too has been around for several years now. Disc, DVB-S, ATSC, DVB-T, etc. does not require adaptive bit rate technology because they can deliver the designed data rates. THE ONLY REASON internet streaming providers use adaptive streaming is because the data rate to the end user is always an unknown. Users would rather see a low grade video than a spinning wheel while the buffers refill.

Big mystery: I provided you a month Netflix and Netflix provided you a month. It was explained to you how to use the Netflix test clips and the onscreen info to see adaptive video in real time. You had two months to see this in action. What happened? Did the display confuse you?

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

You’re deluding yourself, it will never happen. You can all the bandwidth you want (just like me I have a sustained 600 mbps down) but when Netflix, Hulu, Apple tops out at 30mpbs, it makes absolutely no difference how “adaptive” it’s going to be. You keep mentioning adaptive streaming but you don’t know how it works.

Do you know how Adaptive Streaming works? To me it makes sense, if the Provider knows certain detail information they can adjust the Stream to those Specs. You say the Streaming Provider will never do that because of cost. What if they charge accordingly, if you want the higher Quality you'll need the Bandwidth plus pay the higher premium rates. Nothing is Free, Disc prices are going up along with High Quality Streaming!

[sapiendut]

I’m done with you man, you live in your own alternate universe. Whatever you want, just take it and go

[oak table]

According to this guy, Sony maybe moving away from 4K Blu-ray releases.

The End of 4K Blu-ray? | Sony Pushes Digital Movies - YouTube

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Do you know how Adaptive Streaming works? To me it makes sense, if the Provider knows certain detail information they can adjust the Stream to those Specs. You say the Streaming Provider will never do that because of cost. What if they charge accordingly, if you want the higher Quality you'll need the Bandwidth plus pay the higher premium rates. Nothing is Free, Disc prices are going up along with High Quality Streaming!

You have already demonstrated repeatedly that you have no clue how adaptive streaming works. You have been given many lessons from many people here on the subject, but it has been as effective as trying to hammer a noodle into a granite block.

As Wendell pointed out just a couple of days ago, the average price for blu-rays are DOWN 12.2% this year, not up. Again, stop telling those of us that actually buy discs what they cost; we know first hand while you don't know a damn thing about it.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=18210

Streaming prices, on the other hand, have gone up. Netflix raised their prices 18.2% this year. The cost of internet service always goes up, too. My ISP has raised their prices 40% in just three years time. Streaming gets steadily more expensive on both fronts while its quality stays the same.

Low rent low expectation customers like you won't pay for a premium streaming or digital download service. Kaleidescape has existed for years and you, like most digital fans, are far too cheap to pay for it. You, and most of your ilk, are happy with your anemic 16 Mbps Netflix streams and you won't pay a plug nickel more to get anything better because you are already as happy as pigs in shite. You won't even pay retail for digital copies; instead you sniff around here like a stray dog hoping that a disc owner will sell you their codes for cheap. You aren't as much of a digital supporter as you pretend to be when you look at how little you are willing to spend upon it.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by oak table

According to this guy, Sony maybe moving away from 4K Blu-ray releases.

The End of 4K Blu-ray? | Sony Pushes Digital Movies - YouTube

Seeing as Sony decided to add a 4K disc drive to the upcoming Playstation 5, I would say that he doesn't know what he's talking about. 4K disc sales are enjoying very solid double digit sales growth; 70% sales growth last year, for example. There is no reason why Sony would not want pieces from both pies, 4K disc and digital.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

It appears from WB Digital Support that the transfer of people's digital libraries from Flixster Video to Google Play has not gone smoothly. WB Digital Support have been sending support ticket replies to people to say that there was regret in not having titles which remain unavailable for migration from Flixster Video to Google Play in which they said is down to a 'technical problem'.

If you are hearing or reading this reply from them; you would probably agree with my own thinking on it that it is a official stock reply coming out from the people who run the service in WB. The good news from WB's point of view is that it won't mean people's titles would disappear for good or eventually get taken away from this migration process. WB have said that they will rectify this 'technical problem' by way of an email which is sent to people's email addresses linked with Flixster Video. That email would outline the titles available to you for migration to Google Play once the issue is completely fixed.

Here's that stock reply from someone that I copied off Disqus which had outlined this technical issue.

I got a smaller stock reply from WB Digital Support 8 days ago in which they said they are researching the issue, about my two Flixster Video titles not porting over to Google Play, that I had reported through my support ticket to them. They said they will contact me soon with further support with a thank you note attached.

What do you think of this reply from them. Will all of that work be doable by December 18th?

I can only say that I am glad that I do not have to deal with such crap. I hope it all sorts out for those affected, but it is not a situation that I would ever place myself in in the first place.