8K discussion thread

[Poya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

If your TV goes bad, it’s almost a certainty you would be buying a UDTV. Technology acceptance doesn’t hit a wall just because something is new and expensive. When 4K TV arrived in 2012 people had the same comments. We had no idea it would take 4 years for UHD BD’s to arrive.

That’s different. HDTV became readily available by 1998, then we waited for 14 years until 4K came out. It’s been nearly 8 years since then and 4K has yet to truly dominate the home media market. It’s still new.

[PeterTHX]

8K BD players?

Unlikely - barring special venue type stuff or show demos.

[HDTV1080P]

We are already seeing 8K displays and A/V receivers with 8K HDMI inputs. No company makes a 8K HDMI input unless they plan on connecting a external 8K source like a 8K camcorder or a 8K optical disc player. There is a strong possibility that around the year 2026 that a 8K optical disc format might be released. Also around 2026 8K satellite boxes, 8K cable boxes, 8K videogame systems, and 8K streaming boxes might be released.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

We are already seeing 8K displays and A/V receivers with 8K HDMI inputs. No company makes a 8K HDMI input unless they plan on connecting a external 8K source like a 8K camcorder or a 8K optical disc player. There is a strong possibility that around the year 2026 that a 8K optical disc format might be released. Also around 2026 8K satellite boxes, 8K cable boxes, 8K videogame systems, and 8K streaming boxes might be released.

How about consumer 8K cameras that record video as sources? Sharp 8K camera that Robert used had a HDMI port.

[MisterXDTV]

8K Blu-ray is a joke.....

It will never happen anyway

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Poya

That’s different. HDTV became readily available by 1998, then we waited for 14 years until 4K came out. It’s been nearly 8 years since then and 4K has yet to truly dominate the home media market. It’s still new.

Were they 1080P HDTVs? I think the 720P/1080I models were back then. Certainly DVD players (480i) were 1996. In 2005 Panasonic was showing off the first 1080P Plasma TV. It wasn't until 2007 you had HDMI being used more commonly. So then its not actually been as many years as you suggest. If 2005 was 1080P, and 2012 for 4K and 2019 for 8K. Thats about seven years for each transition.

Give it time.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

8K Blu-ray is a joke.....

It will never happen anyway

As long as data centers use exponentially more electrical grid to serve higher resolution transcoded content, there has to be some approach that mitigates that. There has always been some transportable storage solution. Even if it isn't a disc, it will be something other then using data centers.

[Poya]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

We are already seeing 8K displays and A/V receivers with 8K HDMI inputs. No company makes a 8K HDMI input unless they plan on connecting a external 8K source like a 8K camcorder or a 8K optical disc player. There is a strong possibility that around the year 2026 that a 8K optical disc format might be released. Also around 2026 8K satellite boxes, 8K cable boxes, 8K videogame systems, and 8K streaming boxes might be released.

FWIW, Xbox Series X and PS5 claim they’ll do 8K graphics but I highly doubt it.

[Lee A Stewart]

When VHS came out we had a infinite amount of content to sell to consumers.

When LD came out we had a infinite amount of content to sell to consumers.

When DVD came out we had a infinite amount of content to sell to consumers.

When BD came out we had slightly less than an infinite amount of content to sell to consumers.

When UHD-BD came out we had a little less then an infinite amount of content to sell to consumers.

We have no 8K content to sell consumers other than a few hundred 65mm production movies.

Yes Hollywood is beginning to shoot movies with 8K cameras but not with the intention of developing an 8K format. Strictly for editing option purposes to create a better 4K DI. Hollywood is leaning more towards 6K cameras for the same purpose.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

8K Blu-ray is a joke.....

It will never happen anyway

Then we'll have fun when they come.

[Roy_Batty]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Then we'll have fun when they come.

I agree, I do not think we will see an 8K Disc format. However if 8K tv's get popular, then I could predict an 8k streaming format with a souped up version of HEVC.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Roy_Batty

I agree, I do not think we will see an 8K Disc format. However if 8K tv's get popular, then I could predict an 8k streaming format with a souped up version of HEVC.

That would be the new VVC codec which promises to reduce bandwidth by up to 50%. But that's still about 100 mbps versus the 25 for 4K.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Poya

FWIW, Xbox Series X and PS5 claim they’ll do 8K graphics but I highly doubt it.

They'll probably upsample/upconvert, the same way most "4K" games on the current platforms are output.

[Miku-91]

8K SUHD (Super UHD), UHDR (Ultra HDR), 12-bit colors, Rec. 2100, what else?

Easy way to market the next format and sell all the old movies again in "stunning new 8K". I doubt 4K will be the final physical format.

[Fendergopher]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

They'll probably upsample/upconvert, the same way most "4K" games on the current platforms are output.

Checkerboard 8K here we come!

[danman227460]

The issue is that 4K is already having adoption issues and digital is taking off. When 8K becomes affordable for the general consumers, would there be any demand for it?

There is diminishing returns where you push it too far and the returns you get is marginal. Would anyone see any benefits to 8K in screens smaller than 75?

I am not saying studios won't try for 8K but for me, 4K is the last physical I want to buy and upgrade. I can't afford to keep up with the market if every X years they decide to release a new format and make me upgrade my movies again to see the benefits. I skipped 3D and I will be skipping 8K.

Originally Posted by Miku-91

8K SUHD (Super UHD), UHDR (Ultra HDR), 12-bit colors, Rec. 2100, what else?

Easy way to market the next format and sell all the old movies again in "stunning new 8K". I doubt 4K will be the final physical format.

[Miku-91]

Originally Posted by danman227460

The issue is that 4K is already having adoption issues and digital is taking off. When 8K becomes affordable for the general consumers, would there be any demand for it?

There is diminishing returns where you push it too far and the returns you get is marginal. Would anyone see any benefits to 8K in screens smaller than 75?

I am not saying studios won't try for 8K but for me, 4K is the last physical I want to buy and upgrade. I can't afford to keep up with the market if every X years they decide to release a new format and make me upgrade my movies again to see the benefits. I skipped 3D and I will be skipping 8K.

I've skipped 4K so far, the reason being that I'm still really satisfied with 1080p Blu-ray. I will buy PS5 Pro when it's released (likely 2-3 years after the vanilla model) and that will have a 4K player built in, so I've been wondering whether to buy newer movies on 4K for future proofing since they almost always come with a regular Blu-ray. However, the prices for both new and old releases are still really expensive when compared to regular Blu-ray.

[danman227460]

Originally Posted by Miku-91

I've skipped 4K so far, the reason being that I'm still really satisfied with 1080p Blu-ray. I will buy PS5 Pro when it's released (likely 2-3 years after the vanilla model) and that will have a 4K player built in, so I've been wondering whether to buy newer movies on 4K for future proofing since they almost always come with a regular Blu-ray. However, the prices for both new and old releases are still really expensive when compared to regular Blu-ray.

That raises the question if 8K does come out, would they bundle 4K with it or go with blu-ray or just a single disc? The cost of 4K is already high, how much would a 8K movie cost?

I am not sure how stock is in USA but in Canada, it is harder to find older titles for cheap. Anything that is older than 3 years are not stocked in stores anymore. Or if you do find them, they are priced quite high.

I wonder when the PS6 comes out, would it have a 8K drive.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by danman227460

That raises the question if 8K does come out, would they bundle 4K with it or go with blu-ray or just a single disc? The cost of 4K is already high, how much would a 8K movie cost?

You cannot discuss new technology like the equivalent of what you acquire today. Since we are just approaching getting 8k cameras getting to consumers all this conjecture about what you would buy is imaginary. At this time people are supplying AI upscaled content that is built into these new sets that shows the potential to make older lower resolution content a lot better then interpolation. The energy usage related to digital streaming has to be worked out. Long story short we are in a period similar to how it was in 2012 where it will be 4 to 5 years to see how doable this all is.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Miku-91

8K SUHD (Super UHD), UHDR (Ultra HDR), 12-bit colors, Rec. 2100, what else?

Easy way to market the next format and sell all the old movies again in "stunning new 8K". I doubt 4K will be the final physical format.

Obviously not against scientific applications. 8K is already used in astronomy, medicine, VR, and even gaming. The mistake here is to treat 8k like it’s just a another TV resolution which has little value.