Rocky 4K UHD Boxed set - 2/28/23

[sephirothkefka]

This is very frustrating for me to find out the discs themselves are a bit borked. First my case comes in warped in the front side (possible due to heat) and now this... What an absolute joke... Here's hoping Warner actually does something. This isnt the only MGM release to have audio shifting issues either; Olives Rock-a-doodle Blu had the same issue. I feel like there's some others as well.

[panasonicst60]

I really hope WB fixes Rocky 2 and I'll be happy.

[Croweyes1121]

If anyone needs the fixed audio for Rocky and Rocky II...

Having a I-IV marathon on Sunday with someone who's never seen them. Can't wait.

[Batman90]

If WB doesn’t fix these I’ll return them.

[batman2000]

This is disappointing to hear about rocky 3 and 4 theatrical. Compression artifacts creep in more regularly, especially during brighter scenes, as macro blocking and other anomalies can easily be picked out.

[y2jman]

despite the errors are you guys actually going to send yours back if no replacement or just keep it

i'm going to start watching this sometime tonight but not sure now granted i'm not 1 of those folks who watches stuff on mono and likes to watch original mono and get then get disappointed not on 4k's sometimes

i really don't want to send this back to amazon i did like get a 60 amazon gift card besides 20 discount and order this past tues along with texas chain saw 4k steelbook training day 4k paid 49.46 rest of my visa card at that time

like i said i didn't want to do steelbooks with 1st movie came out this past tues and rest next month despite 4k bluray combo

hence that's why i was going to do knockout collection 4k and decided don't want to have rocky undisputed collection bluray didn't want blurays

was just going to sell so i can save space and wait for rocky 5 and balboa 4k's down the road

[stvn1974]

I didn't order the set because I was waiting for a complete six film collection but now I am just going to keep my BD set. I don't see WB fixing these.

[Bishop_99]

Shame as I was going to start seeing the films today and this weekend. Rocky 1 and the Bonus disc are perfectly fine, but ROCK II/III/IV are all scratched up. Odd since they were in place in the case, not as if the discs were lose and flying around in the case.

Had to contact Amazon and ship it back for a refund. I'll order it again, but I hope the next set is scratch free.

[y2jman]

mine got smudges but i'll will wipe them off no big deal

[SpaceBlackKnight]

As for audio, it's no surprise they have screwups since MGM likely did edits/additional work on the tracks since the HD masters used for the BDs. Also, it's true MGM did tons of pitch corrected tracks for 25fps masters (mainly for use on the MGM HD channels in Europe) and then whoever just converted them back to 24fps without realizing the pitch anomaly.

RE: Rocky 1. The 2.0 is def stereo when the original mix was mono, but the audio revisions didn't start for the BD. In 1978, Rocky was reissued in anticipation for II. They did a six-track mag remix for the (very few) 70mm blow up runs made, while select 35mm prints had a Dolby Stereo LRCS mixdown of the six-track. Most releases have the mono in compacity but ones starting with the later AC3 Laserdiscs and the 2001 DVD have a direct port of the 1978 6-track mix (also carried over to modern releases). I believe some older video releases have a 2.0 folddown of the Dolby Stereo remix, with the UHD being the first to have it in years. Sucks but in a way it's original and not a sloppy revsionist job like say T1

As for the missing music cue, that was probably an error made from the 1978 six-track since the 2.0/Dolby Stereo are derived from the same mix.

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by y2jman

despite the errors are you guys actually going to send yours back if no replacement or just keep it

i'm going to start watching this sometime tonight but not sure now granted i'm not 1 of those folks who watches stuff on mono and likes to watch original mono and get then get disappointed not on 4k's sometimes

i really don't want to send this back to amazon i did like get a 60 amazon gift card besides 20 discount and order this past tues along with texas chain saw 4k steelbook training day 4k paid 49.46 rest of my visa card at that time

like i said i didn't want to do steelbooks with 1st movie came out this past tues and rest next month despite 4k bluray combo

hence that's why i was going to do knockout collection 4k and decided don't want to have rocky undisputed collection bluray didn't want blurays

was just going to sell so i can save space and wait for rocky 5 and balboa 4k's down the road

Yeah I’m going to send my back if they don’t fix them. I guess I better watch Rocky 2 to see how bad it is.

[SpaceBlackKnight]

As for II, III, IV, they were native Dolby Stereo LRCS. They also had 6-track mag mixes made for 70mm runs, which have been the basis for modern 5.1 representations.

That's not to say MGM did some adjustments to the 5.1s since the AC3 LD and DVD releases that first featured them. Also, the 2.0 on Rocky II is indeed the original Dolby Stereo LRCS, despite being low pitched due to being timed to a pitch corrected 25fps master.

[Rayjg]

Anyway to reach out to Stallone via social media? Maybe he can speed up the recall process.

[Markgway]

So unless you're listening to a foreign dub, Rocky III is the only title that doesn't have a problem.

[BNex99]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

RE: Rocky 1. The 2.0 is def stereo when the original mix was mono, but the audio revisions didn't start for the BD. In 1978, Rocky was reissued in anticipation for II. They did a six-track mag remix for the (very few) 70mm blow up runs made, while select 35mm prints had a Dolby Stereo LRCS mixdown of the six-track. Most releases have the mono in compacity but ones starting with the later AC3 Laserdiscs and the 2001 DVD have a direct port of the 1978 6-track mix (also carried over to modern releases). I believe some older video releases have a 2.0 folddown of the Dolby Stereo remix, with the UHD being the first to have it in years. Sucks but in a way it's original and not a sloppy revsionist job like say T1

As for the missing music cue, that was probably an error made from the 1978 six-track since the 2.0/Dolby Stereo are derived from the same mix.

Out of curiosity, where is this information coming from? It seems Rocky did get a theatrical re-release in 1978, but I can't find any evidence of it having 70mm prints.

Even if it did, I'm not sure I'd call that "original" any more than the 1979 six-track remix of The Exorcist. Still, very interesting if that's what happened.

[TheWalkingDead]

Is there anything on youtube that explains and shows the differences of the audio issues everyone is talking about? Is this something a non-audio snob will even notice?

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

As for audio, it's no surprise they have screwups since MGM likely did edits/additional work on the tracks since the HD masters used for the BDs. Also, it's true MGM did tons of pitch corrected tracks for 25fps masters (mainly for use on the MGM HD channels in Europe) and then whoever just converted them back to 24fps without realizing the pitch anomaly.

The reality is most MGM BDs have dubs pitched wrong...

I don't talk about it here because nobody cares about dubs in an "english speaking" forum

I had to pitch correct tons of titles from Rain Man to The Silence of the Lambs...

[SpacemanDoug]

This is actually another in a list of titles that had pitch issues thanks to MGM

Teen Wolf
Sweet Smell of Success
Magnificent Seven (remix only)
and now Rocky II

[sephirothkefka]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

This is actually another in a list of titles that had pitch issues thanks to MGM

Teen Wolf
Sweet Smell of Success
Magnificent Seven (remix only)
and now Rocky II

For Magnificent 7 is that the fox disc or the new shout! 4k too?

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by sephirothkefka

For Magnificent 7 is that the fox disc or the new shout! 4k too?

The old MGM BD had the incorrectly pitched remix, not sure about the Shout release