Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

What doesn't?

With very good right in this case.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Cable doesn’t have the drop off in quality that streaming does when it has problems or the home network has issues.

Cable TV in my little village is as unreliable as the internet service and seeing as the same company provides both services, that comes as no big surprise.

I would have to pay more than $100 per month to cobble together a cable package that would include even a dozen channels that I cared to watch with any frequency. The quality would still be less than what I can get with streaming as cable TV offers nothing in 4K and what cable TV calls "high def" is usually just 720p at best.

Streaming, when I had Netflix, cost me just $16 per month. I have Amazon Prime for the 2 day shipping perk and I have done so since its inception in 2005, so I do not see it as a streaming expense. Vudu is a pay as I go service and I usually watch their free content, so most months they are costing me nothing. Youtube also costs me nothing

Netflix (when I subscribe), Amazon Prime, Youtube, and Vudu provide more content that I will actually watch, and in better quality, than cable TV. At the moment, streaming is costing me nothing extra. Cable TV doesn't compete with either the economy or the quality of streaming.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

With very good right in this case.

Are you finally admitting then that your other worries are without "good right?" You think all of your doomsday scenarios are unavoidable fate so I highly doubt it.

No one is going to take HD and 4K programming away from us and no one even remotely imagines that happening but you.

Our power needs will be met; we have the technology to generate clean renewable energy.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Not a big bad? I’m sorry. I value my time. If I can spend my 2 hours watching something at the best quality why would I want to waste that time to watch something at merely acceptable quality?

I know, I know, some people don’t value their time, but I do.

I want the best quality, too, for the content that I deem worth owning and that is why I only buy my content on disc.

I am not about to buy everything that I want to see; much of it I only want to see once and some of it I wind up regretting having viewed at all.

I streamed Sleepaway Camp II and Sleepaway Camp III from Amazon Prime two nights ago and I am sure glad that I did not spend $50+ to own these on blu-ray. They were laughably bad in a Mystery Science Theater kind of way; the laughter made them worth watching once, but these were not worth $50+ to own in my opinion.

Thus, streaming let me have a good laugh and to satisfy my curiosity without costing me a lot of money. Had I really liked these movies, I would have bought them on blu-ray, but I have no desire to see them again. Streaming was the right choice in this instance.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

What doesn't?

i would guess

1) being incredibly wrong
2) being ridiculed for making asinine predictions

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

i would guess

1) being incredibly wrong
2) being ridiculed for making asinine predictions

We will see if I am wrong. I hope beyond hope I’m wrong.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We will see if I am wrong. I hope beyond hope I’m wrong.

But you are never wrong, according to you, until time itself ends.

You are exactly like all of those that have been predicting the death of physical media for these many years. When it doesn't happen, they, like you, just move the apocalyptic date ahead.

Thus, your worries are never relieved because they are always going to happen, just later than initially prophesied. Your fears for every tomorrow are an endless font of anxiety.

Naturally, you will conjure up even more threats to scare yourself with as each day passes. Your worries only ever increase in number. No rest for you or for the wicked, I'm afraid.

[rui no onna]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Actually you sound more like alchav21 then steedeel did. Since he is constantly saying data is data and pretends it means something. The simple truth is no one is talking about viewing a 1:1 rip of a UHD BD from a locale disk server when they use the trem streaming even though it could mean that, but stuff like Netflix or amazon prime or vudu…. or any of the other internet based service.

That was in response to Steedeel’s comment regarding streaming not matching disc on this particular content Wendell posted. Whether streamed via LAN or burned to disc, that demo video’s gonna look the same.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

For a look at some UHD eye candy download the Cymatic Jazz HDR10 video file here. It is about 1 GB in size, when playing the Oppo showed the video data rate around 60 Mbps bouncing up to 70 Mbps. So folks that are limited to 100 Base-T connections should be able to play it.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I would? what is stopping you?

Absolutely nothing. I’ve had my own media server before Netflix streaming was a thing.

[The_Donster]

Thank goodness for you Vilya. Because I don’t even know how to respond to any of these digital/physical diehards at this point

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I was thinking that. How the heck do you manage that? “Oh boss, can you throw the cost of my cable package in there too?”

Pretty much, yeah.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Thank goodness for you Vilya. Because I don’t even know how to respond to any of these digital/physical diehards at this point

We need to have die-hards because when we don’t, that’s when people become passive. When you take a stance of ‘let’s just see what happens’ that’s when trouble sets in.
I’m sure many cinema lovers will have said “plenty space for superhero flicks’ several years ago. Now, the cinema landscape has changed. We have a market dominated by Disney where any other company making a billion is a oddity. We are about to see the tv landscape change for the worse also. Disney will do to tv what they did to the cinema.
The reactions online to Disney’s 3 hour preview trailer has been off the charts. It’s obvious to anyone that they are about to dominate the tv landscape. They may even squeeze out Netflix in the years to come. What’s more, Disney’s tv shows will tie in to their movies. This will impact Blu-Ray because many will just go to the cinema and then wait for the film to drop on the Disney+ service. We will see this over the next two years because Marvel have played a huge part in Blu-rays better months this year.
Therefore, why would I NOT take a stance. I used to see streaming subscription as just another cable package but I have changed my mind. They are a threat and a huge one. So much so, I have cancelled Netflix and use SKY and our big five channels exclusively for tv. Disney are coming to end tv’s Golden age, if you like grown up entertainment, take heed.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We need to have die-hards because when we don’t, that’s when people become passive. When you take a stance of ‘let’s just see what happens’ that’s when trouble sets in.
I’m sure many cinema lovers will have said “plenty space for superhero flicks’ several years ago. Now, the cinema landscape has changed. We have a market dominated by Disney where any other company making a billion is a oddity. We are about to see the tv landscape change for the worse also. Disney will do to tv what they did to the cinema.
The reactions online to Disney’s 3 hour preview trailer has been off the charts. It’s obvious to anyone that they are about to dominate the tv landscape. They may even squeeze out Netflix in the years to come. What’s more, Disney’s tv shows will tie in to their movies. This will impact Blu-Ray because many will just go to the cinema and then wait for the film to drop on the Disney+ service. We will see this over the next two years because Marvel have played a huge part in Blu-rays better months this year.
Therefore, why would I NOT take a stance. I used to see streaming subscription as just another cable package but I have changed my mind. They are a threat and a huge one. So much so, I have cancelled Netflix and use SKY and our big five channels exclusively for tv. Disney are coming to end tv’s Golden age, if you like grown up entertainment, take heed.

Waiting to see what happens is all that you are doing, too, so what makes you so special here? You never suggest any action to avert the disasters that only you foresee; you are always resigned to these inescapable fates. All of your posts about the future describe one dire unavoidable outcome after another.

How does cancelling your Netflix subscription put a speed bump in the path of Disney's juggernaut? This is the only "action" that you have taken for all of your so-called "die hard" stance and it does nothing to slow either Disney's success or that of streaming in general.

I cancelled my Netflix account two weeks ago; does that qualify me to be a holy warrior in your anti-Disney crusade? I have already done as much as you have. I buy more physical media in two months than you do in an entire year, so don't even try to lecture me about who better supports it.

You may as well just shake your fist and yell at some clouds for all you are accomplishing with your decisive "action." I wouldn't be surprised if you are using the monthly savings to go buy more digital video games. How noble of you not to stream movies while you continue to buy other digital content. Yeah, you're really hardcore.

[Vilya]

Cable TV is not all that different than streaming and in many ways it is worse.

You do not own your content with either one of them and both can modify or remove content at will. You are also compromising on quality, as compared to what a disc can offer, when using either one of them.

Cable TV delivers its high definition content typically at 720p. There is virtually no 4K content, no HDR, no Dolby Vision, and no wide color gamut. Mostly minimal high definition at 720p.

Cable TV channels show roughly 20 minutes of commercials per hour. Up to one third of what you are paying for with a cable TV subscription is so you can watch advertising; what a bargain! Not only that, but you are also paying much, much more than the cost of streaming for the awesome privilege of watching back to back Viagra ads.

Streaming costs far less and offers content with or without advertising. Even when streaming shows ads, it shows far, far fewer of them than does cable TV. When streaming has ads, the content is often viewed for free or at a substantial discount.

Streaming offers content up to 4K resolution with HDR, Dolby Vision, and the benefit of wide color gamut all for a fraction of what cable TV costs. It offers high definition in 1080p, too, and not the paltry 720p that cable TV does.

The minimum cable TV package in my area costs approximately $50 per month with all of the taxes added in and the channels it includes are few in number and of little interest. A fourth of the channels offered in this basic package are shopping channels and religious programming. No thank you!

Most of the good channels in the basic package can be accessed for free with a simple antenna. If I want a cable TV package with the more desired channels, then the cost can easily double to $100 per month- and I still have to endure 20 minutes of commercials per hour.

For the cost of that basic cable TV package, I could subscribe to three or four streaming services and get a much better selection of content, delivered in much higher quality, and without annoying commercial interruptions.

I can change streaming services at will, adding or cancelling as I see fit, without paying any service fees and without interacting with any customer service representatives. Cable TV often makes you agree to contracts, changing levels of service can be a pain, and cancelling outright can be an ordeal and it may come with a sizable cost. Reinstating will cost you, too.

Streaming and cable TV both deliver a lot of content for a recurring fee. Streaming, though, offers more content for far less money and delivers it in higher quality. Streaming comes with no strings attached; you can change plans, cancel, and reinstate at will without penalty and without any hassles.

When it comes to buying movies and TV shows I will only purchase such content on disc as only disc offers the best in quality, unchangeable content, and real, tangible ownership. However, I do not need to own everything that I want to see. Streaming, along with my TV antenna, allows me to watch content that is of interest; if I wind up loving what I watched I will then buy it on disc and if not I will be glad to have saved the money that a blind buy would have entailed.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

However, I do not need to own everything that I want to see. Streaming, along with my TV antenna, allows me to watch content that is of interest; if I wind up loving what I watched I will then buy it on disc and if not I will be glad to have saved the money that a blind buy would have entailed.

After some more research I just may purchase the latest version of the Nvidia Shield that is supposed to be released soon. I will need a FLIRC because control will be using my MX-980 remote. If the advantage of the Shield streaming proves to small as compared to my Sony UBP-X1000 then it may end up on eBay.

At present I have 3 MIT MDP-120 ATSC tuner cards, 3 MIT MDP-130 ATSC/QAM tuner cards with DVI daughter cards and 1 EPVision PHD 205LE ATSC/QAM Tuner that are collecting dust. For me, just nothing worthwhile watching via these devices any more. I have a tidy sum invested in these tuners, for the most part I can not give them away.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

After some more research I just may purchase the latest version of the Nvidia Shield that is supposed to be released soon. I will need a FLIRC because control will be using my MX-980 remote. If the advantage of the Shield streaming proves to small as compared to my Sony UBP-X1000 then it may end up on eBay.

At present I have 3 MIT MDP-120 ATSC tuner cards, 3 MIT MDP-130 ATSC/QAM tuner cards with DVI daughter cards and 1 EPVision PHD 205LE ATSC/QAM Tuner that are collecting dust. For me, just nothing worthwhile watching via these devices any more. I have a tidy sum invested in these tuners, for the most part I can not give them away.

Send them all to me. I will use them for anger management therapy.

Actually, I just like smashing stuff. I thought saying it was therapeutic might motivate you to really send them to me.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Cable TV is not all that different than streaming and in many ways it is worse.

You do not own your content with either one of them and both can modify or remove content at will. You are also compromising on quality, as compared to what a disc can offer, when using either one of them.

Cable TV delivers its high definition content typically at 720p. There is virtually no 4K content, no HDR, no Dolby Vision, and no wide color gamut. Mostly minimal high definition at 720p.

Cable TV channels show roughly 20 minutes of commercials per hour. Up to one third of what you are paying for with a cable TV subscription is so you can watch advertising; what a bargain! Not only that, but you are also paying much, much more than the cost of streaming for the awesome privilege of watching back to back Viagra ads.

Streaming costs far less and offers content with or without advertising. Even when streaming shows ads, it shows far, far fewer of them than does cable TV. When streaming has ads, the content is often viewed for free or at a substantial discount.

Streaming offers content up to 4K resolution with HDR, Dolby Vision, and the benefit of wide color gamut all for a fraction of what cable TV costs. It offers high definition in 1080p, too, and not the paltry 720p that cable TV does.

The minimum cable TV package in my area costs approximately $50 per month with all of the taxes added in and the channels it includes are few in number and of little interest. A fourth of the channels offered in this basic package are shopping channels and religious programming. No thank you!

Most of the good channels in the basic package can be accessed for free with a simple antenna. If I want a cable TV package with the more desired channels, then the cost can easily double to $100 per month- and I still have to endure 20 minutes of commercials per hour.

For the cost of that basic cable TV package, I could subscribe to three or four streaming services and get a much better selection of content, delivered in much higher quality, and without annoying commercial interruptions.

I can change streaming services at will, adding or cancelling as I see fit, without paying any service fees and without interacting with any customer service representatives. Cable TV often makes you agree to contracts, changing levels of service can be a pain, and cancelling outright can be an ordeal and it may come with a sizable cost. Reinstating will cost you, too.

Streaming and cable TV both deliver a lot of content for a recurring fee. Streaming, though, offers more content for far less money and delivers it in higher quality. Streaming comes with no strings attached; you can change plans, cancel, and reinstate at will without penalty and without any hassles.

When it comes to buying movies and TV shows I will only purchase such content on disc as only disc offers the best in quality, unchangeable content, and real, tangible ownership. However, I do not need to own everything that I want to see. Streaming, along with my TV antenna, allows me to watch content that is of interest; if I wind up loving what I watched I will then buy it on disc and if not I will be glad to have saved the money that a blind buy would have entailed.

Well I watch 4K on mine so it just sounds like you have rubbish cable or Sat.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Well I watch 4K on mine so it just sounds like you have rubbish cable or Sat.

Cable TV might be purtier in your lil' corner of paradise, but you are still compromising on quality by watching movies and TV shows on it and that makes you no different than those who choose to stream. You still don't own any of what you are watching and any of it can be altered or removed the same as with streaming.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Waiting to see what happens is all that you are doing, too, so what makes you so special here? You never suggest any action to avert the disasters that only you foresee; you are always resigned to these inescapable fates. All of your posts about the future describe one dire unavoidable outcome after another.

How does cancelling your Netflix subscription put a speed bump in the path of Disney's juggernaut? This is the only "action" that you have taken for all of your so-called "die hard" stance and it does nothing to slow either Disney's success or that of streaming in general.

I cancelled my Netflix account two weeks ago; does that qualify me to be a holy warrior in your anti-Disney crusade? I have already done as much as you have. I buy more physical media in two months than you do in an entire year, so don't even try to lecture me about who better supports it.

You may as well just shake your fist and yell at some clouds for all you are accomplishing with your decisive "action." I wouldn't be surprised if you are using the monthly savings to go buy more digital video games. How noble of you not to stream movies while you continue to buy other digital content. Yeah, you're really hardcore.

The fact you buy more discs than me is down to finances, nothing else. I have to keep a home and I still have a few years left on my mortgage.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Cable TV might be purtier in your lil' corner of paradise, but you are still compromising on quality by watching movies and TV shows on it and that makes you no different than those who choose to stream.

Correct. I don’t watch movies on it though wise guy. I don’t have the movie package, it would be pointless.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The fact you buy more discs than me is down to finances, nothing else. I have to keep a home and I still have a few years left on my mortgage.

Give up that subpar pay TV subscription and you could buy more discs.