The Official Energy Speakers Thread

[STARSCREAM]

Originally Posted by callas01

Laidback simply means that the highs do not crawl inside your ears like a bright or forward sounding speaker does. It means that the speakers can get loud without being shrill. They will not sound tiny. I like both the CF series and the C series. there is a small difference in their sounds, however the CF are still really smooth with the highs just like the C-series that I have now. The RC series will be even smoother.

If you read my post earlier, the speakers are very well balanced, and that is by design. With Polk the highs are a bit tiny, they force the highs on an otherwise warm speaker. They do this so they catch attention. People in general think a good speaker has to sound loud.... so polk tunes the highs up. Energy and many other high end designers prefer a more well balanced design. So that you get enough of everything, but not too much of any one thing.

Trust me, I like a movie scene to get LOUD when it has too. And if it didn't then I wouldn't be an Energy owner.

Sounds like I'll be really happy with them then. I think I'm just overthinking the whole deal so bad because I have been through so many speakers over the last few years trying to find some I'm happy with. The Klipsch and Polk's I liked at first but then they just became too bright for me and I couldn't hardly make it through a movie without my ears hurting and having to turn it down. A few times I'd get a headache. It seems the Energy's are the way to go since they aren't fatiguing. Nothing is worse than watching a movie and having your ears hurt from harshness/brightness.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by STARSCREAM

Sounds like I'll be really happy with them then. I think I'm just overthinking the whole deal so bad because I have been through so many speakers over the last few years trying to find some I'm happy with. The Klipsch and Polk's I liked at first but then they just became too bright for me and I couldn't hardly make it through a movie without my ears hurting and having to turn it down. A few times I'd get a headache. It seems the Energy's are the way to go since they aren't fatiguing. Nothing is worse than watching a movie and having your ears hurt from harshness/brightness.

Oh exactly... I can listen to klipsch and polks, id rather listen to polks because klipsch are too much for my ears too... over long periods. When I first bought mine I was asking if laidback was gonna be too quiet also, like soft and struggling to hear audio, or not hear the big explosions, and now I have learned that laidback just means it doesn't crawl up in your ears and fatigue you. but $h!t still gets loud.

I listen to everything through my speakers, TV, radio, CDs, movies, my receiver and speakers are always playing something... I never get burnt out on them... I love it that way.

[STARSCREAM]

Originally Posted by callas01

Oh exactly... I can listen to klipsch and polks, id rather listen to polks because klipsch are too much for my ears too... over long periods. When I first bought mine I was asking if laidback was gonna be too quiet also, like soft and struggling to hear audio, or not hear the big explosions, and now I have learned that laidback just means it doesn't crawl up in your ears and fatigue you. but $h!t still gets loud.

I listen to everything through my speakers, TV, radio, CDs, movies, my receiver and speakers are always playing something... I never get burnt out on them... I love it that way.

Thanks, I sure appreciate all replies you and everyone have given me thus far. Someone on AVS forum said that brighter speakers make dialogue easier to make out and hear, what are your thoughts on that? Is dialogue very distinct on Energy's? Also, would the RC-10's be a better and higher end speaker than any of the new Energy bookshelf offerings? I would hate to pass on the RC-10 because as soon as they are gone they are gone for good.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by STARSCREAM

Thanks, I sure appreciate all replies you and everyone have given me thus far. Someone on AVS forum said that brighter speakers make dialogue easier to make out and hear, what are your thoughts on that? Is dialogue very distinct on Energy's? Also, would the RC-10's be a better and higher end speaker than any of the new Energy bookshelf offerings? I would hate to pass on the RC-10 because as soon as they are gone they are gone for good.

Well the rc- wont be gone for good but they will eventually renew the line and I expect that they will do this quite shortly.

Currently RC is the Flagshig of Energy speakers and no the CB-20 don't go as low as the RC-10 and are not better then the RC-10 they are even more linear, a bit more mids I would say.

As I explained to you they may sound muffled in the begining you may even have a hard time to ear dialog in the beginning but give them a 100 hours break in and they will open up to make your dialog sound just right.

With your Onkyo receiver that should make a very good combo actually.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by STARSCREAM

Thanks, I sure appreciate all replies you and everyone have given me thus far. Someone on AVS forum said that brighter speakers make dialogue easier to make out and hear, what are your thoughts on that? Is dialogue very distinct on Energy's? Also, would the RC-10's be a better and higher end speaker than any of the new Energy bookshelf offerings? I would hate to pass on the RC-10 because as soon as they are gone they are gone for good.

I will say that when I had my previous speakers, we would watch Miami Vice on DVD, and we always struggled to hear the dialog. When we got the Energys, I was actually watching it with my wife and there were 4 distinct times where we were like, OH... I never heard that before.... like the opening scene when they just get done with the GO Fast boat race after the opening credits and the Haitian and the Bald cop are talking.... I always thought it was supposed to be too low to know what was said..... all of a sudden, we could hear the whole conversation.

I don't know why some people say the things they do... personally I never had that problem.

As Oliver said, there will need to be some break-in... but I think personally, you don't have to worry about hearing dialog.

[STARSCREAM]

Do they come with mounting brackets? I would need to hang atleast 2 of them.

[BigAl87]

As I mentioned in a previous post Energy use to make the Macromounting bracket for them but not sire they can still be found. They don't actually come with it.


Here it is not sure if it fits the RC-10 I do not remember if the hole to screw it in os the same size as the c-100

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ATMAC

Here, they will actually fot the RC-10 as well.

"The RC-10 is designed to be used as a front left or right speaker, or as a rear channel
speaker. When installing the RC-10 bookshelf speaker to a wall, there is an insert built
into the back of the speaker, located above the input terminals. The threaded insert is
designed specifically for the Energy MacromountTM bracket, which is available from
your local authorized Energy retailer."

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

As I mentioned in a previous post Energy use to make the Macromounting bracket for them but not sire they can still be found. They don't actually come with it.


Here it is not sure if it fits the RC-10 I do not remember if the hole to screw it in os the same size as the c-100

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ATMAC

Here, they will actually fot the RC-10 as well.

"The RC-10 is designed to be used as a front left or right speaker, or as a rear channel
speaker. When installing the RC-10 bookshelf speaker to a wall, there is an insert built
into the back of the speaker, located above the input terminals. The threaded insert is
designed specifically for the Energy MacromountTM bracket, which is available from
your local authorized Energy retailer."

its pretty common for the speakers to have 1/4-20 or at the largest 5/16-18 screw threads..... or if its metric, M8 threads are the most common.

There are many universal mounting brackets that should work as well.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

its pretty common for the speakers to have 1/4-20 or at the largest 5/16-18 screw threads..... or if its metric, M8 threads are the most common.

There are many universal mounting brackets that should work as well.

In this case it's even bigger it's 3/8 and 16 check out your c-100 same for my C-R100.

I have baught 5/16 in the beginning and it was to small for my bipoles.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

In this case it's even bigger it's 3/8 and 16 check out your c-100 same for my C-R100.

I have baught 5/16 in the beginning and it was to small for my bipoles.

wow ok,.... I never had to check. that seems like a big bolt for a 13 lb speaker, I mean a 1/4"-20 bolt grade 5 has a minimum stress tolerance of 90,000 psi, not likely it'll bend and break....

I sell fasteners for a living... hahahahaha.... now you have been warned.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

wow ok,.... I never had to check. that seems like a big bolt for a 13 lb speaker, I mean a 1/4"-20 bolt grade 5 has a minimum stress tolerance of 90,000 psi, not likely it'll bend and break....

I sell fasteners for a living... hahahahaha.... now you have been warned.

Well just look at this.

Attaches to the speaker with a 3/8" 16 thread insert

Let's keep in mind that the speaker also vibrates while it plays I have no problem if it's bigger and stronger. A plastic stand can hold speaker but is it good when the speaker plays loud?

I'm not a specialist but when it comes to sound I believe there is much more then tolerence that comes into play,what a screw can sustain is one thing but I believe they had sound in mind also.

[callas01]

I can't say what their reasoning for wanting a 3/8s bolt was... or is, I was just pointing out that a small bolt isn't likely to bend or break under that constraint, not to mention that any size bolt from 1/4" - 1" has the same stress proof and tolerances. I would think they just wanted a bigger bolt, thinking it would take more to break it or bend it. Or because 3/8s in more universal... and matching an M10 almost exactly in diameter, however the thread pitch is a little off.

however I find it interesting that they use a course thread(16 threads per inch) and not a fine thread(24 threads per inch) I say that because of the possiblity of something backing out... unthreading itself due to vibrations. PLUS a fine thread bolt is stronger then a course thread bolt at the threads, where it is most likely to shear, this is due to the threads not being cut so deep. Bolts tend to break in only 2 location, almost all of the time, the head can pop off or they snap at the threads.... if there is hydrogen embrittlement and it breaks at the shank(unthreaded portion of the bolt below the head) that is rather uncommon and creats a major problem, and you will see major recalls start happening and a lot of A2LA labs start testing bolts.


Anyways, lets get back to SPEAKERS, I like to leave work at work.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

I can't say what their reasoning for wanting a 3/8s bolt was... or is, I was just pointing out that a small bolt isn't likely to bend or break under that constraint, not to mention that any size bolt from 1/4" - 1" has the same stress proof and tolerances. I would think they just wanted a bigger bolt, thinking it would take more to break it or bend it. Or because 3/8s in more universal... and matching an M10 almost exactly in diameter, however the thread pitch is a little off.

however I find it interesting that they use a course thread(16 threads per inch) and not a fine thread(24 threads per inch) I say that because of the possiblity of something backing out... unthreading itself due to vibrations. PLUS a fine thread bolt is stronger then a course thread bolt at the threads, where it is most likely to shear, this is due to the threads not being cut so deep. Bolts tend to break in only 2 location, almost all of the time, the head can pop off or they snap at the threads.... if there is hydrogen embrittlement and it breaks at the shank(unthreaded portion of the bolt below the head) that is rather uncommon and creats a major problem, and you will see major recalls start happening and a lot of A2LA labs start testing bolts.


Anyways, lets get back to SPEAKERS, I like to leave work at work.

That was very helpful though, I learn new things every day.

[erict]

Got a call from the guy at work I sold the Energy's too. He said his wife can't tell a difference from the HTIB Sony's he had. He brought them home yesterday and just unhooked his old and connected the Energy's. I said did you set them up? No, I know nothing about how to do that. I told him he should here a night and day difference from the Sony satellites.

I sold him my C-300's and C-C50.

[browndk26]

Originally Posted by erict

Got a call from the guy at work I sold the Energy's too. He said his wife can't tell a difference from the HTIB Sony's he had. He brought them home yesterday and just unhooked his old and connected the Energy's. I said did you set them up? No, I know nothing about how to do that. I told him he should here a night and day difference from the Sony satellites.

I sold him my C-300's and C-C50.

I heard a night and day difference when I switched from Sony's to Energy C-C50 and C-200's. Especially music. I am so glad I took everyones advice here to get new speakers instead of a new AVR.

[erict]

Originally Posted by browndk26

I heard a night and day difference when I switched from Sony's to Energy C-C50 and C-200's. Especially music. I am so glad I took everyones advice here to get new speakers instead of a new AVR.

He is running an older Sony receiver but it's got to be the settings. It's a Sony STR-K502 http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/mod...pl?mdl=STRK502

[MaCruz]

Quick question guys. Do you think I should upgrade my speaker stands from 31" to 36" or there's no need?

I'm using Sanus speaker stands for my surrounds, and rear speakers.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by erict

Got a call from the guy at work I sold the Energy's too. He said his wife can't tell a difference from the HTIB Sony's he had. He brought them home yesterday and just unhooked his old and connected the Energy's. I said did you set them up? No, I know nothing about how to do that. I told him he should here a night and day difference from the Sony satellites.

I sold him my C-300's and C-C50.

Women don't usually care, and therefore don't notice a difference, I am sure if he hooks it up he would notice a difference.

Also, I used to own Sony towers just like my Energys, and all the other speakers. I can say that my wife first noticed the biggest difference in music, and quickly there after she seen that movies were so much better also. She noticed the difference right when I set them up and started listening to them.

[Jwilly019]

I auditioned my first Energy speakers on Saturday. I went to a local dealer and listened to the CF-50 and the RC-10. I didn't have a lot of time, but I probably spent close to an hour in there. I listened primarily to Elton John and Pink Floyd SACD's. Both speakers were very easy to listen to, while at the same time being quite detailed. Now it's been awhile since I had my Jamo's, but from what I remember, they sound very similar. All in all I was very impressed with Energy's offerings.

It's hard to compare the two as I didn't hear them in the same room on the same equipment. I ran out of time, but I'm hoping to get back there by the end of the week and move the CB's into the same room. They also had the RC-30 set-up, I didn't listen to them, but I was surprised by how small they were.

Justin

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Jwilly019

I auditioned my first Energy speakers on Saturday. I went to a local dealer and listened to the CF-50 and the RC-10. I didn't have a lot of time, but I probably spent close to an hour in there. I listened primarily to Elton John and Pink Floyd SACD's. Both speakers were very easy to listen to, while at the same time being quite detailed. Now it's been awhile since I had my Jamo's, but from what I remember, they sound very similar. All in all I was very impressed with Energy's offerings.

It's hard to compare the two as I didn't hear them in the same room on the same equipment. I ran out of time, but I'm hoping to get back there by the end of the week and move the CB's into the same room. They also had the RC-30 set-up, I didn't listen to them, but I was surprised by how small they were.

Justin

uh-o,

Justin is now an Energy convert......

Yes, dimensionally the RC-30s are small speakers. But they should have better overall range and sound then the RC-10s. I want to hear the other CF series speakers, but the 70s were just awesome. I am really thinking of getting the 70s, but I still have some other speakers to hear first.

I want to really hear the RC series as well...

So when are you going back?

I don't think the Jamos are as linear as the Energys, they may have certian tonal qualities that are similar, but I have to think the Energys are more linear, and probably slightly more neutral where the Jamos are probably warmer.