Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Well, whatever. They already release earlier than disc and Digital HD sales are limp.

Well, whatever? So when you don't have answer, you dismiss it. Gotcha.

Well, here's hoping they continue to release films 3 weeks early then.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Well, whatever? So when you don't have answer, you dismiss it. Gotcha.

Well, here's hoping they continue to release films 3 weeks early then.

Just the fact that the original disc release date was so close to that of the digital release date indicates that there was never any plan for a three week digital window in the first place. Something delayed the disc production and/or distribution, nothing more.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I say it's going to happen, Movies and TV Shows will just come out on Digital first then the Studios will decide if the demand is there for a Disc Release. The Digital Release will get shorter and shorter, and Disc Release will come out later with prices going up because of the perceived better Quality and extra fluff.

Sometimes, digital is released ahead of disc; there is nothing new about that. Predicting things that have already occurred is not much of a talent.

Blu-ray prices, for the 1000th time, are actually down on average. Wendell previously posted that the average prices for blu-rays have dropped 6.2% this year compared to last; the info came from Media Play News. Of course, you ignored these facts then the same as you will now. Stop making shit up about the prices of things that you do not buy.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=17122

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I say it's going to happen, Movies and TV Shows will just come out on Digital first then the Studios will decide if the demand is there for a Disc Release. The Digital Release will get shorter and shorter, and Disc Release will come out later with prices going up because of the perceived better Quality and extra fluff.

Perceived better quality?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Perceived better quality?

He does not own a 4K disc player, nor has he seen a 4K disc, by his own admission, but yet he comments about the quality of them as if he were an expert. Same as he comments about the prices of discs that he does not buy.

If he only commented about topics that he actually knew something about, he would have nothing to say at all.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Well, whatever? So when you don't have answer, you dismiss it. Gotcha.

Well, here's hoping they continue to release films 3 weeks early then.

What do you mean, don’t know the answer? The answer is crystal clear. Those who appreciate quality are going to wait. What is hard to understand about that?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by CV19

The Edgar Allan Poe audio collection would be nice to have as well. It features both Vincent Price and Basil Rathbone reading a collection of Poe's classic stories.

https://www.harpercollins.com/978006...io-collection/

I have read customer reviews of these CDs on Amazon that say that the audio levels on these discs are very low.

I found a site that offers them as a free download, but I am uncertain of its legitimacy.

[stonesfan129]

I think they will keep making discs, even if just DVD. I mean look how long music CDs have been around considering how irrelevant they are to most music buyers.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I think they will keep making discs, even if just DVD. I mean look how long music CDs have been around considering how irrelevant they are to most music buyers.

Absolutely. Discs will be around for a good while yet. I'm old enough to remember when the CD was launched in the early 80's and they reckoned this would kill off vinyl.....and it's done nothing of the sort.

It's true many people do stream music, but for the hi-fi enthusiast who likes music, CD and vinyl will always win out for quality. The same can be said for video - the blu-ray offers the ultimate in home cinema viewing.....and long may that continue.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by CV19

Absolutely. Discs will be around for a good while yet. I'm old enough to remember when the CD was launched in the early 80's and they reckoned this would kill off vinyl.....and it's done nothing of the sort.

It's true many people do stream music, but for the hi-fi enthusiast who likes music, CD and vinyl will always win out for quality. The same can be said for video - the blu-ray offers the ultimate in home cinema viewing.....and long may that continue.

I don't know why people put "vinyl" and "quality" in the same sentence. CD and digital music files are capable of much better sound than vinyl ever could be. Vinyl is too expensive and the pressing quality is nowhere near what it used to be unless you want to pay $50-100 for the audiophile editions. Yeah I get the whole building up your system and hobbyist aspect of it. But it isn't better than a CD. There's a lot of myths and bullshit built around the vinyl hobby.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I don't know why people put "vinyl" and "quality" in the same sentence.

Well that's a debate that has gone on for as long as I can remember, and I've read and heard many opinions. I agree that vinyl is now more of a niche market, but I would still rather have an LP over a download. However a CD would be my first choice.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I don't know why people put "vinyl" and "quality" in the same sentence. CD and digital music files are capable of much better sound than vinyl ever could be. Vinyl is too expensive and the pressing quality is nowhere near what it used to be unless you want to pay $50-100 for the audiophile editions. Yeah I get the whole building up your system and hobbyist aspect of it. But it isn't better than a CD. There's a lot of myths and bullshit built around the vinyl hobby.

While there are some truths here, I have a different perspective on some of your statements. For a lot of people, vinyl does not provide any benefits over cd as the cheap Crosley turntable used is actually going to be a detriment, so vinyl becomes more of a hip nostalgia thing, as a cd will sound better.

But, if the turntable, cartridge, phono pre-amp, cables, amp, and speakers are at a certain level or above, vinyl can and often does exceed cd quality. As far as digital files go, if you are spending the money on lossless downloads with once again, the right equipment, it is tough to tell the difference.

Pressing today can be a lot better than the originals, and they don’t cost $50-$100. I rarely spend above $50, and everything I buy is 160-180 gram pressings, with a fair amount of them being remastered. I am usually spending $25-$30, and I don’t buy anything used.

It is an expensive endeavor and hobby, but you can’t take it with you as they say.

[Djizeusse]

I’m going more or less full circle. Physical only at first because it was before we even get Internet access (prehistoric times) , then decades later with Netflix and need of money to pay taxes i went full digital and sold/giveaway my stuff (not much but i really miss some stuff hard to find) and now going back to 90% physical media since i walked on the UHD road and pay more attention about masters and the fact that it’s not region locked. One thing that also mattered in that comeback is the disapearence in digital catalogue (such as Jacob’s Ladder on Netflix France)

I’m still buying bluray anyway and digital stuff is just to exclusives or non-physical films or even just films or shows i won’t bother buying.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by gotmule

vinyl can and often does exceed cd quality.

From a capture, store, and reproduction point of view a decent digital system can do what no mechanical system (vinyl disc and cartridge, loudspeaker) can do. Some example waveforms here, mechanical systems and analog magnetic tape can not come close to reproducing these waveforms. The best of the best cartridges will produce at least 1% THD. Sure wish I had scanned all of those Tektronix/Polaroid pictures we took of Tektronix, Hewlett-Packard test results of digital, vinyl and magnetic tape devices.

I have a lot of CD's that do not sound good because of the way they were recorded, as in heavy compression and limiting. To this day many music tracks and sound tracks are processed with out using 75μs pre-emphasis which causes spectral skewing.

A digital system has no problem producing or reproducing a 16 Hz signal at 0 dBFS or two tones, one at 17 KHz and another 18KHz, both at -6dBFS.

You may find this interesting, in the early days of vacuum tubes some music lovers claimed the acoustical cylinder recordings sounded much better than the electronic recordings and reproduction.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I don't know why people put "vinyl" and "quality" in the same sentence. CD and digital music files are capable of much better sound than vinyl ever could be. Vinyl is too expensive and the pressing quality is nowhere near what it used to be unless you want to pay $50-100 for the audiophile editions. Yeah I get the whole building up your system and hobbyist aspect of it. But it isn't better than a CD. There's a lot of myths and bullshit built around the vinyl hobby.

If you have a shitty vinyl player/set-up then that's 90% of the problem right there. Crappy pressings will be the other 10%, but I digress.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by gotmule

While there are some truths here, I have a different perspective on some of your statements. For a lot of people, vinyl does not provide any benefits over cd as the cheap Crosley turntable used is actually going to be a detriment, so vinyl becomes more of a hip nostalgia thing, as a cd will sound better.

But, if the turntable, cartridge, phono pre-amp, cables, amp, and speakers are at a certain level or above, vinyl can and often does exceed cd quality. As far as digital files go, if you are spending the money on lossless downloads with once again, the right equipment, it is tough to tell the difference.

Pressing today can be a lot better than the originals, and they don’t cost $50-$100. I rarely spend above $50, and everything I buy is 160-180 gram pressings, with a fair amount of them being remastered. I am usually spending $25-$30, and I don’t buy anything used.

It is an expensive endeavor and hobby, but you can’t take it with you as they say.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I think they will keep making discs, even if just DVD. I mean look how long music CDs have been around considering how irrelevant they are to most music buyers.

They will keep making Blurays also.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

If you have a shitty vinyl player/set-up then that's 90% of the problem right there. Crappy pressings will be the other 10%, but I digress.

What is considered a shitty setup? I could spend the same amount of money and get better sound with CD and SACD.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

What is considered a shitty setup? I could spend the same amount of money and get better sound with CD and SACD.

Have not followed this for a long time but I would wager most vinyl is sourced from digital masters. The digital masters could come from a large variety of sources (analog tape, digital recorders (tape, disk, disc, etc.). One of the strangest things I have heard from some Chill artist, adding noise and artificial tic and pop sounds to their music to make it sound as if the music is coming from an LP. Very .

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

What is considered a shitty setup? I could spend the same amount of money and get better sound with CD and SACD.

A low-end turntable. Awful speakers, no pre-amp, etc. Those are the main variables.