Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

A low-end turntable. Awful speakers, no pre-amp, etc. Those are the main variables.

How much do you think a person needs to spend to have a good setup?

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Perceived better quality?

Yes you have a good set up, and there are a handful of people here on this Site that can take advantage of UHD 4K Discs. Streaming has reached a point with a decent Internet Access you can't tell the difference . 4K Discs are starting to fail, and if you don't have a set up on the higher end is Disc really worth it? I say Streaming is The Future!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes you have a good set up, and there's a handful of people here on this Site that can take advantage of UHD 4K Discs. Streaming is so good now that for most you can't tell the difference if you have decent Internet Access. 4K Discs are starting to fail, and if you don't have a set up on the higher end is Disc really worth it? I say Streaming is The Future!

Well, YOU can’t tell the difference.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes you have a good set up, and there's a handful of people here on this Site that can take advantage of UHD 4K Discs. Streaming is so good now that for most you can't tell the difference if you have decent Internet Access. 4K Discs are starting to fail, and if you don't have a set up on the higher end is Disc really worth it? I say Streaming is The Future!

4K disc sales were up about 70% last year; they are doing very well and they are not "starting to fail."

You have never seen a 4K disc, as you do not have a 4K disc player, so you are AGAIN in NO position to comment on the differences in quality between them and streaming.

Subscription streaming is the present, but it is still a very distant second to traditional pay TV services. 4K discs are the present state of the art standard in home video quality and their sales growth has been in double digits every year since they were launched.

I say you are the thread Every class has one.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

4K disc sales were up about 60% last year; they are doing very well and they are not "starting to fail."

You have never seen a 4K disc, as you do not have a 4K disc player, so you are AGAIN in NO position to comment on the differences in quality between them and streaming.

Subscription streaming is the present. 4K discs are the present state of the art standard in home video quality and their sales growth is in double digits every year since they were launched.

I say you are the thread

I don’t think there has been much growth this year Vilya. Not with those figures I see over at the Home Media sales thread. Having said that, the new PlayStation will likely give the format a boost next year.

[danny24]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Disney+ Will Be The Death of Physical Media These YouTubers John Campea Film Critic and Robert Meyer Burnett Filmmaker say that Physical Media is on the way out. Sure it will be around for a while, but not as a mainstream Distribution. I say Digital Streaming takes on everything Digital and Physical is Physical!

Disney+ Will Be The Death Of Physical Media - YouTube

LOL, he says in that clip I am taking all my Disney Blu-ray's and packing them up because Disney + has them all.

Like Disney + is a free service lol, like Netflix you still have to pay monthly charges and those 4K movies on your shelf are all yours, you own them, they are free to play anytime you want without the need for internet or a subscription.

If people want to stop collecting movies because subscription services carry them and some exclusive extras fine. I stream movies and buy them digitally to but I hate except for Netflix to be billed per month to access movies I already own physically.

People always settle for convenience vs common sense. Subscription services you don't own any of the movies, it's all on a server you pay to watch them per month. Not even taking into account data cap charges for internet if you don't have unlimited data.

Physical media for me lives on doesn't matter if a subscription service carries it. Like I said I don't want to be paying for watching movies I already own and can watch without internet or worrying about datacaps and if they charged my card for the month.

Love having a movie collection to have access to with no crap or commitment.

It's all about money people with these subscription services. I would not stop collecting your favorite movies just because they are available to stream with a subscription.

Glad I can go watch my movie without worrying about being billed.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I don’t think there has been much growth this year Vilya. Not with those figures I see over at the Home Media sales thread. Having said that, the new PlayStation will likely give the format a boost next year.

4K disc sales are fine; DVD continues to be the boat anchor dragging along the bottom. Overall purchases continue to drop as neither 4K disc's solid sales growth, nor digital's modest sales growth, have made up for the sales drop of DVDs and to a lesser extent that of blu-rays.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

How much do you think a person needs to spend to have a good setup?

I'd say about $1,000 or so. Now in my case, I have some badass legacy tower JBL speakers that take the guessing game out of it, and it lowered my overall costs.

I spent just under $500 for my custom built U-turn orbit, with an acrylic platter, 2M Red cartridge, cue lever, and a cork mat.

I spent less than $ 90 for my preamp, which is made in Austria, and that made a ton of difference.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

I'd say about $1,000 or so. Now in my case, I have some badass legacy tower JBL speakers that take the guessing game out of it, and it lowered my overall costs.

I spent just under $500 for my custom built U-turn orbit, with an acrylic platter, 2M Red cartridge, cue lever, and a cork mat.

I spent less than $ 90 for my preamp, which is made in Austria, and that made a ton of difference.

I've got an Audio Technica AT-LP1240-USB with an Audio Technica AT95E cart on it. I run this into my Pioneer receiver and over my Polk floor standing speakers. I forget what the cost of this setup was a few years ago. I do play music off of my NAS over this too, not just LPs. Almost all my LPs are hand-me-downs from my parents.

[stonesfan129]

As for streaming, yes it is the future. But here's the only thing that puts me off about it. Those systems can lock you out at any time for any reason. I will always be able to watch a DVD or Blu-ray disc as long as my player or computer's optical drive is working. We have seen the same happen with music where some artists are not happy about the money they are getting and pull their music from the services.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

As for streaming, yes it is the future. But here's the only thing that puts me off about it. Those systems can lock you out at any time for any reason. I will always be able to watch a DVD or Blu-ray disc as long as my player or computer's optical drive is working. We have seen the same happen with music where some artists are not happy about the money they are getting and pull their music from the services.

We don’t know if it’s the future to be fair. It looks that way but many thought MP3 music downloads were the future years ago and another technology supplanted it. The same could happen to streaming.

[Anthony P]

here corrected your quote

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes you have a good set up, and there's a handful of people here on this Site that can take advantage of UHD 4K Discs. Streaming is so good now that for most you people without a UHD playercan't tell the difference if you they have decent Internet Access.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

It's the uncertainty that makes physical media a superior choice. If streaming is no longer supported than all the content that people have bought or subscribed to won't be accessible. If physical media is discontinued than all of our discs will still work.

You are preaching to the converted.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

As for streaming, yes it is the future.

The future, the past, the prance , is, was and will always be what people are willing to spend money on. Nothing more and nothing less. LD offered superior quality and some were willing to spend money on it, others found VHS cheaper and easier to rent. Both coexisted for a long time. DVD came out and people that wanted quality found DVD was better and they quickly gave up on LD, people looking for cheaper kept VHS going a bit longer, but eventually they gave up on VHS as well. Records are still around because some people prefer it, CD is still around because some prefer it.... recording cylinders are not, 8-track is not...

If in the future there is one perfect solution for everyone then there might be one solution at some point in the future, On the other hand (and way more likely since from the time a second choice showed up there was never a time with single solution) the future will be many different choice each filling its own niche.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

here corrected your quote

I like the ‘handful of Peoole’ comments.

I dint think he realises just how many people have dedicated HT in this forum.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I like the ‘handful of Peoole’ comments.

I dint think he realises just how many people have dedicated HT in this forum.

do I think a handful of people have nice HTs? absolutely, it is a very small minority when we consider the world at large and even here it is far from the majority.

That being said his idea that someone needs a top of the line HT to take advantage of it is just nuts. There is a reason studios try and scan film at higher resolution and then lower the resolution while compressing. You can just destroy info you can't correctly fill in missing information and so a higher source is always better. I did not have a 1080p projector when I bought my first BD and I did not have a 4k projector when I bought my first UHD BD. But having a higher quality source that was being downscaled already made the quality better.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

do I think a handful of people have nice HTs? absolutely, it is a very small minority when we consider the world at large and even here it is far from the majority.

That being said his idea that someone needs a top of the line HT to take advantage of it is just nuts. There is a reason studios try and scan film at higher resolution and then lower the resolution while compressing. You can just destroy info you can't correctly fill in missing information and so a higher source is always better. I did not have a 1080p projector when I bought my first BD and I did not have a 4k projector when I bought my first UHD BD. But having a higher quality source that was being downscaled already made the quality better.

Handful of people in this forum though?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I was building on your post, not arguing against it.

My brain is conditioned to be defensive with all the stick I take.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I've got an Audio Technica AT-LP1240-USB with an Audio Technica AT95E cart on it. I run this into my Pioneer receiver and over my Polk floor standing speakers. I forget what the cost of this setup was a few years ago. I do play music off of my NAS over this too, not just LPs. Almost all my LPs are hand-me-downs from my parents.

Nice. In comparison, I think it's easier and much less expensive to get a great vinyl system set-up than it is getting a full 4K/Atmos one. Granted, one is dedicated to only music and the other audio/video, so costs will still be lower on the vinyl end than the other.

I've scaled back my vinyl purchases quite a bit, though.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I like the ‘handful of Peoole’ comments.

I dint think he realises just how many people have dedicated HT in this forum.

On average I calibrate 2 dedicated theatre EACH WEEK for the past 4 years, before that it was 1 dedicated HT each week. And these are ALL newly installed HT, not upgrade.