Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[cpr3584]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I wasn't kidding when I said Disney+ video was disappointing.

Turns out video professionals tested Disney+ HDR and found it set to a very low dynamic range of 200 NITS maximum and ironically setting it up to output SDR gives you a higher dynamic range.

True ? ... Well the numbers don't lie. I knew it looked bad and turns out there's a reason.

The Mandalorian on Disney Plus HDR Analysis - YouTube


Disney+ is a convienent way to watch terrible versions of good movies.

-Brian

I have seen several complaints about the picture quality of the Mandalorian.
But people are also saying Star Wars episodes 1-8 look great on 4K HDR in Disney+. Have you checked those

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by cpr3584

I have seen several complaints about the picture quality of the Mandalorian.
But people are also saying Star Wars episodes 1-8 look great on 4K HDR in Disney+. Have you checked those

I watched 10 minutes of Cars and decided I would just wait for UHD BD for movies I like.

The Video I posted suggested that Star Wars Empire Strikes Back also has very limited HDR and using SDR results in better Dynamic Range.

It's a fact that Episodes 1-7 are only available in 4K on Disney+ but just putting stuff into codecs and containers does not mean they are optimized. In this case those movies are currently optimized for streaming. Compare the Disney+ version of something that's available on UHD BD and see if you prefer one version of the other.

If The Last Jedi is available on Disney+ it's worth comparing to the UHD BD so that you know first hand if the Disc is worth picking up.


-Brian

[Wendell R. Breland]

Over the last two weeks I have traveled over 2000 miles and visited a few small town Walmart stores. I was surprised to find they have implemented the disc displays like or similar to the one below.

Have not heard of anyone purchasing Vudu so it will be interesting to see if Walmart continues to operate Vudu or shut it down.

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[cpr3584]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Over the last two weeks I have traveled over 2000 miles and visited a few small town Walmart stores. I was surprised to find they have implemented the disc displays like or similar to the one below.

Have not heard of anyone purchasing Vudu so it will be interesting to see if Walmart continues to operate Vudu or shut it down.

[Show spoiler]

Yea they changed the display at my Walmart to one like this about a month ago. Gotta say I like the layout and having all the movies on one isle. Still a decent selection too

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Quality is addictive. Why upgrade Home Theater gear while downgrading the content?

I could not agree more with this statement. I did not spend many thousands of dollars on home theater equipment to watch and listen to excessively compressed streaming. It would be like designing a gourmet kitchen only to stock it with microwaveable meals.

High quality gear + a high quality source (disc)= a high quality experience.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

There are more important things than film?

I have heard tell that there are such things according to myth and legend.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I could not agree more with this statement. I did not spend many thousands of dollars on home theater equipment to watch and listen to excessively compressed streaming. It would be like designing a gourmet kitchen only to stock it with microwaveable meals.

High quality gear + a high quality source (disc)= a high quality experience.

That’s something I have been saying on here for many years. It’s a downgrade.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That’s something I have been saying on here for many years. It’s a downgrade.

When somethings biggest selling points are its cheapness and convenience, then that alone tells you how little importance was placed on quality.

[Wendell R. Breland]

If lucky, I may get an old favorite of mine The Keep on DVD. Had the LaserDisc version and the transfer was not very good. To further insult fans it was presented in P&S. Sure hope the DVD is in 2.35:1 and they pay careful attention to the soundtrack because I really like the Tangerine Dream music track.

Several years ago Netflix had this title in HD and OAR so a HD master exist somewhere. The title did not stay on Netflix very long.

From the Digital Bits:

And here’s a curiosity: Via Vision Entertainment in Australia will be releasing Michael Mann’s The Keep on DVD on 3/4/2020. This is a title that’s been long awaited by cinephiles, yet one that Mann himself is not a fan of. There’s no Blu-ray version planned, though our industry sources tell us that there is at least some hope of one in the future. We’ll certainly post any further news when it’s available.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

When somethings biggest selling points are its cheapness and convenience, then that alone tells you how little importance was placed on quality.

That’s why I do t get all the HT owners using digital, even if they use both. It has a place in some random jack’s home but not in a HT. HT to me means to replicate the cinema experience as much as possible. We have the tools to do this so why do some disrespect film with cheap digital?

I think humans are basically sheep that will flock to whatever they are told is the next big thing. Even so called HT enthusiasts.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

If lucky, I may get an old favorite of mine The Keep on DVD. Had the LaserDisc version and the transfer was not very good. To further insult fans it was presented in P&S. Sure hope the DVD is in 2.35:1 and they pay careful attention to the soundtrack because I really like the Tangerine Dream music track.

Several years ago Netflix had this title in HD and OAR so a HD master exist somewhere. The title did not stay on Netflix very long.

From the Digital Bits:

A DVD of The Keep would be a step in the right direction.

My copy of The Keep on laserdisc is widescreen; you bought the wrong one , but the video quality leaves a lot to be desired. I have backed it up to a DVD.

TheKeepLaserdisc.jpg

[flyry]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I wasn't kidding when I said Disney+ video was disappointing.

Turns out video professionals tested Disney+ HDR and found it set to a very low dynamic range of 200 NITS maximum and ironically setting it up to output SDR gives you a higher dynamic range.

True ? ... Well the numbers don't lie. I knew it looked bad and turns out there's a reason.

The Mandalorian on Disney Plus HDR Analysis - YouTube


Disney+ is a convienent way to watch terrible versions of good movies.

-Brian

this rambling boring guy does nothing to add to your ridiculus post saying D+ 4K is not above DVD quality. Thats just absurd.

You have some of the worst posts I've ever seen on this forum the past few pages. Congrats.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That’s why I do t get all the HT owners using digital, even if they use both. It has a place in some random jack’s home but not in a HT. HT to me means to replicate the cinema experience as much as possible. We have the tools to do this so why do some disrespect film with cheap digital?

I think humans are basically sheep that will flock to whatever they are told is the next big thing. Even so called HT enthusiasts.

I have told you already why I use digital services, both SVOD and VOD; I do not need to own everything that I watch. Streaming looks as good, and often better, than any TV service that I have ever had. Streaming, combined with my Mohu TV antenna, are my replacements for pay TV services.

Watching a streamed program is not all that different than watching something broadcast on TV and I know of no HT purists who are about to stop watching broadcast TV, so why should they eschew digital services?

Anything worthy of owning I buy on disc and that will not change.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by flyry

this rambling boring guy does nothing to add to your ridiculus post saying D+ 4K is not above DVD quality. Thats just absurd.

You have some of the worst posts I've ever seen on this forum the past few pages. Congrats.

That's quite the "honor" coming from you.

While I have plenty of criticisms for streaming's quality in general, I would never claim that an upscaled DVD looks as good as a 4K stream.

I have not seen Disney+, but if it really looked no better than an upscaled DVD I would certainly have read plenty of angry comments about it on this forum.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by flyry

this rambling boring guy does nothing to add to your ridiculus post saying D+ 4K is not above DVD quality. Thats just absurd.

You have some of the worst posts I've ever seen on this forum the past few pages. Congrats.

And you are just a bundle of joy. Merry Christmas. (Friend request sent)

Anyways... Trust me when I say I'm not trying to impress you but I'm still glad I did.

If you think that video wasn't informative, I'm not sure you watched it. It's science. The HDR on Mandalorian and Original Trilogy is mastered poorly. I think it's because they know they still have UHD BDs to sell.

He's showing measurements, data. With a range of 200 nits you will get a better picture turning off HDR and using SDR... I think the video makes a valid point about how dreadful the PQ is on Disney+ with the numbers to prove it.

You show up and contribute with "your posts are awful." Ok then.

Anyways,.. Don't worry. ... awful posts, wonderful posts... I was here long before you and you can tell I'm not leaving so enjoy them or use the ignore list function of the forum.

-Yours Truly,

Brian

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

My copy of The Keep on laserdisc is widescreen; you bought the wrong one , but the video quality leaves a lot to be desired.

Thanks for the pic, do not remember the details of why I had the P&S version.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It has a place in some random jack’s home but not in a HT.

Do not agree, I would rather watch The Mountain Men (Heston & Keith) in HD scope than P&S on DVD. Same for several other movies that were DVD2HD. If they ever become available on BD or UHD BD then I will buy them on disc.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by bhampton

And you are just a bundle of joy. Merry Christmas. (Friend request sent)

Anyways... Trust me when I say I'm not trying to impress you but I'm still glad I did.

If you think that video wasn't informative, I'm not sure you watched it. It's science. The HDR on Mandalorian and Original Trilogy is mastered poorly. I think it's because they know they still have UHD BDs to sell.

He's showing measurements, data. With a range of 200 nits you will get a better picture turning off HDR and using SDR... I think the video makes a valid point about how dreadful the PQ is on Disney+ with the numbers to prove it.

You show up and contribute with "your posts are awful." Ok then.

Anyways,.. Don't worry. ... awful posts, wonderful posts... I was here long before you and you can tell I'm not leaving so enjoy them or use the ignore list function of the forum.

-Yours Truly,

Brian

streaming 4K SDR>>>>>>>> dvd

[bhampton]

What I said exactly ...

"It's not good. ... I mean it's good but I think an upsampled DVD could compete pretty well with it."

Anyways, have you registered your complaint about that comment enough? You harped about it three times now. Can't you find anything new to complain about? I think you should read some of my later posts and get your whining up to date just for variety.

UHD BD > Upsampled Blu Ray > 4K streaming

However, it's not exactly that simple. I have one movie that never made it past LaserDisc to Laserdisc (yuk) is the only and therefore best way to view it. Also some Blu Rays could be mastered so well the UHD BD is actually not better despite the potential for it to be.

So, on the topic of bad mastering jobs, I do think Disney+ gimped it's encodes. I don't know if it was on purpose but I am not the only one complaining about the picture quality of the Mandalorian. If it looks better in SDR then someone goofed.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Ender14

I don't blame you for anything other than being a pathetic, hateful little troll.

I think there is too much hate in the world, and I'm not a troll I was here long before you. Like bhampton says Merry Christmas. We are all entitled to our views.