The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

[TitusTroy]

Originally Posted by MAQS

i agree that Nolan expertise is character driven but he has make good action scenes, in the batpod chase on the TDK when the truck flip it make me say wow, despite being so simple it was impressive because of the way he filmed the truck being flipped, and the tumbler chase was good too in, seeing all the things i could do, made for a entertaining chase scene in begins, and the last 30mins of rises was epic!, to me at least, the shot of thousands of cops and mercenarys fighting was well done, im not saying he is the best action scene director but he is good nonetheless, i was hyped in most of the action sequences in the dark knight trilogy

the Joker truck sequence was pretty good...same with the bank robbery opening but other things like the hospital explosion, the finale with the 2 ferries, the stadium explosion in DKR etc were underwhelming

you need to compare them to good action sequences to tell the difference

Originally Posted by A.MONK

Are you an expert in the filming and directing business or are you just one of those typical internet dudes that think they know better than Nolan? Just curious...

it's not about knowing better then Nolan...it's his movie, he can do what he chooses...doesn't mean that his action sequences are very good...maybe he purposely made them that way as to not detract from the story

[MAQS]

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

the Joker truck sequence was pretty good...same with the bank robbery opening but other things like the hospital explosion, the finale with the 2 ferries, the stadium explosion in DKR etc were underwhelming

you need to compare them to good action sequences to tell the difference



it's not about knowing better then Nolan...it's his movie, he can do what he chooses...doesn't mean that his action sequences are very good...maybe he purposely made them that way as to not detract from the story

funny, first you say he has not make a good action scene and now you agree that the chase scene in TDK was good, dont say something unless you really mean it, and the hospital explosion was not an action scene, the ferrys again was good, not great but good, what are you expecting from a batman movie anyway? he cant do much compare to other superheroes.

[TitusTroy]

Originally Posted by MAQS

what are you expecting from a batman movie anyway? he cant do much compare to other superheroes.

are you kidding??...have you read any of the Batman comics, played any of the games or seen any of the earlier Batman movies directed by Burton or Schumacher?

[MAQS]

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

are you kidding??...have you read any of the Batman comics, played any of the games or seen any of the earlier Batman movies directed by Burton or Schumacher?

no offense but the action scenes on the dark knight trilogy are more exciting than the two burton films, to my taste at least. And dont compare the comics, you know Nolan made a realistic take on the bat so the ludacris stuff from the comics doesnt fit in. in conclusion if you didnt find yourself excited in the action set pieces from the trilogy fine, everyone has a opinion but that doesnt mean they are bad action scenes, to me the are not great but the are good.

[TitusTroy]

Originally Posted by MAQS

to me the are not great but the are good.

I agree they are not great...the story was the highlight of the Nolan trilogy

[RiseDarthVader]

Nolan does do a pretty sloppy job of shooting action scenes. Most noticeably no squibs when characters get shot so they just sort of fall down for no reason, poor choreography in the hand 2 hand fight scenes like stuntmen clear waiting their turn to be beaten up by Batman even if they have a clear shot of him, no muzzle flashes on guns even heavy machine guns so it's just the actor shaking the gun with sound added in post but no VFX muzzle flash for whatever reason and lastly when the cops charge you can clearly see the extras running past each other trying to initiate a fight but getting ignored by the "enemy" extra.

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

Nolan does do a pretty sloppy job of shooting action scenes. Most noticeably no squibs when characters get shot so they just sort of fall down for no reason, poor choreography in the hand 2 hand fight scenes like stuntmen clear waiting their turn to be beaten up by Batman even if they have a clear shot of him, no muzzle flashes on guns even heavy machine guns so it's just the actor shaking the gun with sound added in post but no VFX muzzle flash for whatever reason and lastly when the cops charge you can clearly see the extras running past each other trying to initiate a fight but getting ignored by the "enemy" extra.

[Constitution 101]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

Um, he did kill her off.

The point he was making is that she wasn't created FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING HER OFF, not that she wasn't killed.

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by Constitution 101

The point he was making is that she wasn't created FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING HER OFF, not that she wasn't killed.

Nolan finds this plot development irresistible. He has done it in every one of his movies since at least Memento (and The Dark Knight Trilogy is meant to be one big story).

In the comics, Batman has had many love interests -- but none of them die. This didn't suit Nolan's needs, so he created one whom he could kill without "violating canon".

[Constitution 101]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

Nolan finds this plot development irresistible. He has done it in every one of his movies since at least Memento (and The Dark Knight Trilogy is meant to be one big story).

In the comics, Batman has had many love interests -- but none of them die. This didn't suit Nolan's needs, so he created one whom he could kill without "violating canon".

How do you know it wasn't the comic book's author refusing to kill them off to suit his/her needs and avoid "violating canon"? For that matter, how would that be different from many other directors?

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by Constitution 101

How do you know it wasn't the comic book's author refusing to kill them off to suit his/her needs and avoid "violating canon"? For that matter, how would that be different from many other directors?

Um, buddy? It's not different from other directors. That was the whole point of the video -- showing how directors leave a personal mark on their movies, even when adapting other people's stuff.

[Constitution 101]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

Um, buddy? It's not different from other directors. That was the whole point of the video -- showing how directors leave a personal mark on their movies, even when adapting other people's stuff.

It seemed he was trying to convey that Nolan wasn't a "genius"(his term)/minimizing his work because he used the same structure, not that directors leave their personal mark. Besides, what's the point of showing that director's leave their personal mark? Duh, thank you captain obvious. Exactly how in the hell would you NOT leave a personal mark on YOUR film? You mean as opposed to not leaving your personal mark on a film you directed(whether it's other's stuff or not)?

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by Constitution 101

It seemed he was trying to convey that Nolan wasn't a "genius"(his term)/minimizing his work because he used the same structure, not that directors leave their personal mark. Besides, what's the point of showing that director's leave their personal mark? Duh, thank you captain obvious. Exactly how in the hell would you NOT leave a personal mark on YOUR film? You mean as opposed to not leaving your personal mark on a film you directed(whether it's other's stuff or not)?

No one is minimizing Nolan's genius. The whole point of film scholarship is to explain in clear terms what filmmakers do. This is very different from people on the Internet who describe every movie as "EPIC!!!"

[Early Memphis]

For all of you "no good action scenes" people : we must've been watching different movies. Let me offer the following "qualifiers" : I thought the action in Batman Begins was great. I only watched The Dark Knight once or twice because I didn't really like it as much as the first one (which I've seen several times). I haven't seen the third flick yet because I don't go to movies anymore, I watch flicks at home on Blu-ray ...

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

Nolan does do a pretty sloppy job of shooting action scenes. Most noticeably no squibs when characters get shot so they just sort of fall down for no reason, poor choreography in the hand 2 hand fight scenes like stuntmen clear waiting their turn to be beaten up by Batman even if they have a clear shot of him, no muzzle flashes on guns even heavy machine guns so it's just the actor shaking the gun with sound added in post but no VFX muzzle flash for whatever reason and lastly when the cops charge you can clearly see the extras running past each other trying to initiate a fight but getting ignored by the "enemy" extra.

When the third film is released on Blu, I'll watch the entire trilogy at least twice - and I'll keep an eye out for your claims. I never noticed unreal, muzzle-flashless, squibless shootouts before (maybe I was too involved in the "action" ) ... and I thought the fights in Batman Begins were well done (esp. with Raz). But ... I'll watch closely and carefully in 6 or 7 weeks. However, as an action fan of long standing, I still think this "bad action director" thing rings hallow. Take movies as a whole, disection is for dead, inanimate "objects" (come to think of it, I even refused to disect frogs in high school) .,.

[SK408]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

She died, sending Bruce Wayne into a funk for eight years.

If heath didn't die it wouldn't have been 8 years.I think he made her die for other reasons.

[joenostalgia23]

Originally Posted by SK408

If heath didn't die it wouldn't have been 8 years.I think he made her die for other reasons.

The "funk" was because of Dent, not Dawes.
Dawes' death made him decide to be Batman forever.

Dent's death forced him to go on the run.

His injury combined with the revamped police force(Dent Act) made Batman unecessary.

I don't think Heath had any impact. They had never thought about a definitive ending for the series while shooting TDK, but I think they'd always want a TDKR themed finale.

[Reubania]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

I'm not scared. This person's got my back:

[Show spoiler]

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[Vader72]

She's so dang hot

[jimmyv]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Not really funny but...

No, the reason she was created was for three reasons. First, to show that not everyone in Gotham that's in a position of power is corrupt. Two, to be Bruce's conscience. Finally, she's there to remind the audience of the life Bruce had and the life could've had had it not been for the death of his parents.

Nolan didn't conceive of the character to kill her off later.

"First... Two... and Finally.."

Nice one. That's like in Home Alone when Buzz says "A... Two... and D..."

[Jumpman]

Originally Posted by jimmyv

"First... Two... and Finally.."

Nice one. That's like in Home Alone when Buzz says "A... Two... and D..."

iPad's fault.