Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Vilya

If I owned the 4K disc, I would not even consider streaming the movie ...if I was at home.

This.

I have over a thousand movies in my iTunes library (1043) however there has not been a case of a 4K UHD BD that didn't give a better experience over the iTunes copy. There isn't a single 4K disc that isn't better. Maybe it's because both in fact are digital and one has a file size that is 10 times the other.

Anyone with a good system can test the 4K UHD BD against the 4K streaming copy and if you think it's good enough for you then it's good enough for you. Of course, the radio may be good enough for you but your pets would rather you play the CDs.

If you are like me, people rave about you dedicated home theater and when I host a movie night I'm not playing anything but the best version I have. And the confidence of a local copy can't be overstated. If several of your friends don't say your home theater is amazing maybe you should try physical media.

I exercise. The horror of having to get a disc and put in in a player isn't really all that much horror to me. Even if I have already met my exercise goals for the day. If someone is truly dis-abled I hope he or she has help. If it's just lazy then that's what it is.

I don't think lazy is the problem for most people though. I think a lot of younger people have problems with the sitting still and watching a single movie all the way through. With streaming you can bounce a round and watch all kinds of bits of stuff because you have lost the patience to enjoy a feature length film completely.

People who care about watching movies at home should seek out the best version of whatever movie is in question. It may not be the popular option like a home cooked meal is not as popular as take out.

-Brian

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by cminer72

The bottom line with picture quality comes down to what your playing it on anyways. It’s splitting hairs at this point.

You neglect to mention that the difference in audio is also a consideration for those with some sort of system, and that difference can be substantial.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cminer72

I'm not a casual. I bought my first 3D tv in 2009. I bought my first 4K 3D tv in 2013, before HDR. I bought a 4k player as soon as it was available. I bought a newer tv for HDR and then another one after that. Currently on a Sony OLED. I own 3 different game consoles. Hundreds of games and movies, physical and digital. You are the one who is clueless. I've been on the cutting edge all along. I just face reality. So let's begin again.

So if you face reality, you will know that you are investing in a format with a short shelf life?

Also, cutting edge?

Sounds like you don’t even have a surround set up.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cminer72

I agree with pretty much all of this. There are others on here distorting facts to make themselves feel better. I still buy discs. I'm just shifting to digital more and more. Digital sales and rentals are different than subscription and they can work in unison with subscription to make more money. It costs the studios very little and allows them to make money on multiple fronts.

Digital sales are indeed different. Billions of dollars different.

It’s a drop in the ocean for the industry and that’s why they have lost interest. When was the last time you read a gushing report from the industry about digital? As another member often says, look at all the billions of devices out there that can play digital content, yet the sales are poor. That tells you the whole story.

Also, what the heck do you think DVD, Blu-ray and UHD are? Just a side project?

People who have common sense realise the only way they can continue to enjoy high quality, unaltered (uncensored) content is to buy discs. It’s a crapfest buying digital as those guys seem to be downgraded to 1080p and then upgraded again on a weekly basis. I prefer to know what I’m getting when I watch a movie. Oh, without a multitude of artefacts and tinny surround sound too. Dint get me started on the weekly cuts made to films to appease the snowflakes also. It’s a bag of hurt.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cminer72

The bottom line with picture quality comes down to what your playing it on anyways. It’s splitting hairs at this point.

It really isn’t.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

This.

I have over a thousand movies in my iTunes library however there has not been a case of a 4K UHD BD that didn't give a better experience over the iTunes copy. There isn't a single 4K disc that isn't better. Maybe it's because both in fact are digital and one has a file size that is 10 times the other.

Anyone with a good system can test the 4K UHD BD against the 4K streaming copy and if you think it's good enough for you then it's good enough for you. Of course, the radio may be good enough for you but your pets would rather you play the CDs.

If you are like me, people rave about you dedicated home theater and when I host a movie night I'm not playing anything but the best version I have. And the confidence of a local copy can't be overstated. If several of your friends don't say your home theater is amazing maybe you should try physical media.

I exercise. The horror of having to get a disc and put in in a player isn't really all that much horror to me. Even if I have already met my exercise goals for the day. If someone is truly dis-abled I hope he or she has help. If it's just lazy then that's what it is.

I don't think lazy is the problem for most people though. I think a lot of younger people have problems with the sitting still and watching a single movie all the way through. With streaming you can bounce a round and watch all kinds of bits of stuff because you have lost the patience to enjoy a feature length film completely.

People who care about watching movies at home should seek out the best version of whatever movie is in question. It may not be the popular option like a home cooked meal is not as popular as take out.

-Brian

Yep, attention spans are decreasing. That’s for sure.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cminer72

But if there was a catastrophe, you only need to buy a streaming device and have access to all that you lost physically. It is a nice backup. I also used to share access on Vudu when that was a thing. Better than loaning movies. I am also OCD about physical things being perfect. So going digital has relieved a lot of anxiety for me.

Can you not see the irony in your last sentence?

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by cminer72

VUDU still has 3D versions of new release movies. So that’s not true. There’s lots of 3D content on digital.

Only Blu-ray has frame packed 3D, all other providers use SbS or ToB (½ horizontal resolution or ½ vertical resolution). As to Dolby Vision, there are several DV profiles and no streamer uses a profile that has the bit depth that UHD BD uses. Audio, all streamers use a fairly low bit rate lossy audio while BD and UHD BD offers lossless audio.

You really need to read articles written by Kris Deering (member here, Sound & Vision), Stacey Spears (member here, test disc author and creater) and several others. Vincent Teoh has many videos on YouTube you could learn from.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yep, attention spans are decreasing. That’s for sure.

Listen alchav jr., attention spans are just fine. All of the science has proven this; but keep on denying it with the rest of the flat-earthers out there.

You, and some others, show severe symptoms of old fogeyism; you dislike how younger people do some things, so you just have to ASSume that there must be something wrong them.

Young people contribute a great deal to box office receipts, They watch three hour long movies like that recent somewhat well known comic book caper. They also watch their favorite shows for hours on end, even if they occasionally skip through an episode like many people of all ages do.

Several of those younger people that you blanket disparage provided me with excellent medical care. Young people, not mere disc or digital, are our future.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Listen alchav jr., attention spans are just fine. All of the science has proven this; but keep on denying it with the rest of the flat-earthers out there.

You, and some others, show severe symptoms of old fogeyism; you dislike how younger people do some things, so you just have to ASSume that there must be something wrong them.

Young people contribute a great deal to box office receipts, They watch three hour long movies like that recent somewhat well known comic book caper. They also watch their favorite shows for hours on end, even if they occasionally skip through an episode like many people of all ages do.

Several of those younger people that you blanket disparage provided me with excellent medical care. Young people, not mere disc or digital, are our future.

Young people are not ‘our’ future, they are Earth’s future.

We are all over 40 on here lol.

As always, I mention younger people’s habits in strict relation to film habits. As you know, I see several alarming potential trends that could affect ‘our’ enjoyment of films in the home. They say we have a three score in ten lifespan. Let’s see how the next 20-25 years pans out. If we still have films, watchable on a big display at home, as the director intended, I will die happy. I have nagging fears we won’t be that lucky.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Young people are not ‘our’ future, they are Earth’s future.

We are all over 40 on here lol.

As always, I mention younger people’s habits in strict relation to film habits. As you know, I see several alarming potential trends that could affect ‘our’ enjoyment of films in the home. They say we have a three score in ten lifespan. Let’s see how the next 20-25 years pans out. If we still have films, watchable on a big display at home, as the director intended, I will die happy. I have nagging fears we won’t be that lucky.

Hopefully, you are not even half way through your lifespan with many decades of health and happiness ahead, but those young people will become our leaders, our doctors, our engineers, our scientists, our artists, and so much more. Their future will most definitely impact yours. The Earth will continue regardless of what we hoomuns do; the question is how habitable will it be.

You see everything that is contrary to how you do them as a threat. That is why you criticize millenials so heavily; they do things differently than you, so that just has to be bad and something terrible must be wrong with them.

What you call threats, I see as options. I have more ways to enjoy more things than ever before while retaining all of my favorite things. No creative art forms have been lost during my lifetime, but much has been added. The future should not fill you with dread, but with awe and wonder. It will be grand!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Hopefully, you are not even half way through your lifespan with many decades of health and happiness ahead, but those young people will become our leaders, our doctors, our engineers, our scientists, our artists, and so much more. Their future will most definitely impact yours. The Earth will continue regardless; the question is how inhabitable will it be.

You see everything that is contrary to how you do them as a threat. That is why you criticize millenials so heavily; they do things differently than you, so that just has to be bad and something terrible must be wrong with them.

What you call threats, I see as options. I have more ways to enjoy more things than ever before while retaining all of my favorite things. No creative art forms have been lost during my lifetime that I am aware of despite all of these developments. The future should not filled you with dread, but with awe and wonder. It will be grand!

I have lived through the awe and wonder. That’s not how though. The world is changing and not for the better.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I have lived through the awe and wonder. That’s not how though. The world is changing and not for the better.

How's it changing for the worse exactly?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I have lived through the awe and wonder. That’s not how though. The world is changing and not for the better.

The only way that you could have lived though the awe and wonder of what the future holds is to be dead. Are you dead dead or are you just disc dead?

Humanity faces many challenges, but to say that it is all bad is just cynical, bitter, and pessimistic. Appreciate the good things that come and work to address the bad; hand wringing accomplishes nothing.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by bhampton

People who care about watching movies at home should seek out the best version of whatever movie is in question. It may not be the popular option like a home cooked meal is not as popular as take out.

-Brian

Personally, I'd take a well made home cooked meal over take-out almost every time, but then I also know some people with amazing cooking talents.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

How's it changing for the worse exactly?

Social media creating a world of snowflakes that have to be ‘oh so offended’ by every little small detail in films, tv, music, gaming, any art form basically.

Teens stabbing (and killing) each other in record numbers in the U.K.

Hospitals that are buckling under the weight of lack of funds.

Police forces losing numbers by the year and unable to police our streets efficiently imo.

Record numbers of mental health issues in young people.

A society that more than ever is obsessed with looks and other superficial traits. (Contributes to mental health imo)

Hard working people having to work until they are 67, enjoying less and less retirement years.

Kids not playing out any more as they are too busy on snapchat, instragram etc..

Heavy workloads for kids at school and less and less time to enjoy childhood.

I think I have lived through better times than we are living in now. That’s the truth as far as I am concerned.

That’s my last post on the subject as I don’t want to derail too much. I am simply answering your question. I could list more but it would go on and on.

I look at my childhood and compare it to now. There is too much pressure on young people now.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Personally, I'd take a well made home cooked meal over take-out almost every time, but then I also know some people with amazing cooking talents.

I’m a bloody good cook. (Blowing my own trumpet).

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The only way that you could have lived though the awe and wonder of what the future holds is to be dead. Are you dead dead or are you just disc dead?

Humanity faces many challenges, but to say that it is all bad is just cynical, bitter, and pessimistic. Appreciate the good things that come and work to address the bad; hand wringing accomplishes nothing.

I am speaking of years gone.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Only Blu-ray has frame packed 3D, all other providers use SbS or ToB (½ horizontal resolution or ½ vertical resolution). As to Dolby Vision, there are several DV profiles and no streamer uses a profile that has the bit depth that UHD BD uses. Audio, all streamers use a fairly low bit rate lossy audio while BD and UHD BD offers lossless audio.

You really need to read articles written by Kris Deering (member here, Sound & Vision), Stacey Spears (member here, test disc author and creater) and several others. Vincent Teoh has many videos on YouTube you could learn from.

Aside from the dismal 3D selection of digital providers, streamed 3D falls way short of the immersive experience delivered by a 3D blu-ray. Offering 3D with 1/2 horizontal or vertical is lame.

Digital/ streaming cuts every corner and skimps at every turn; they basically bit starve everything: 3D, Dolby Vision, the audio, and more, are all pale shadows of what we get on disc. Digital/ streaming does the minimum to get by while disc offers us the best that can be had.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Social media creating a world of snowflakes that have to be ‘oh so offended’ by every little small detail in films, tv, music, gaming, any art form basically.

Teens stabbing (and killing) each other in record numbers in the U.K.

Hospitals that are buckling under the weight of lack of funds.

Police forces losing numbers by the year and unable to police our streets efficiently imo.

Record numbers of mental health issues in young people.

A society that more than ever is obsessed with looks and other superficial traits. (Contributes to mental health imo)

Hard working people having to work until they are 67, enjoying less and less retirement years.

Kids not playing out any more as they are too busy on snapchat, instragram etc..

Heavy workloads for kids at school and less and less time to enjoy childhood.

I think I have lived through better times than we are living in now. That’s the truth as far as I am concerned.

That’s my last post on the subject as I don’t want to derail too much. I am simply answering your question. I could list more but it would go on and on.

I look at my childhood and compare it to now. There is too much pressure on young people now.

You are prone to exaggeration and myopia.

A good exercise when delivering such a is that for every negative item that you list also list a positive one. If you claim that there are no positives, then include yourself among those with mental problems.