Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice (Spoilers)

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by Groot

The battle of NY is over 40 minutes long, if you include the first bit with Loki/Tony and them gathering in NY, yeah it's an hour long. I'm also pretty sure The Avengers cause the deaths of just as many people in NY with the building destruction that this movie caused and maybe MoS.

The Avengers spend that entire 40 minutes saving people or trying to figure out how to leas the fight away from the civilians. Not comparable at all.

[imsounoriginal]

A positive review from a critic I read quite a bit (and who didn't like MoS/is generally apathetic towards most superhero movies): http://www.thefilmfile.com/reviews/b/16_bvs.htm

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Karmasux96

Hoe is Green Lantern a better movie than Iron Man 3? Green Lantern took the desperate superhero movie formula and stuck to it to a T. It's poorly acted, has terrible CGI, a rushed origin story, and it's two or three movies mashed into an incoherent mess.

I absolutely love Green Lantern and they massacred him.

Iron Man 3 attempted something new with the MCU's most popular character and was bashed. At least it was a coherent and well acted story with well staged action.

I didn't say Green Lantern was good it wasn't but I left the theater less frustrated than I did with Iron Man 3. Green Lanterns problems seemed to be general filmmaking incompetence. Iron Man 3 seemed outright hateful to fans old school comics.

I felt like the movie was saying "yeah you thought you were going to get to see Iron Man fight his arch nemesis. Well screw you and thanks for the money"

Honest Trailers said it best "You aren't ignoring the comics you are wiping your butt with them"

[ThatOneGuy]

Actually I don't know why I'm arguing about the death of innocents, it is actually something I don't really care about. I actually rather like the idea that Batman kills people in BvS and I don't care that Superman snapped Zodd's neck (hell, actually kinda makes me like the character a little more... reminds me of Injustice when I actually liked Superman for a while).

[Groot]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

The Avengers spend that entire 40 minutes saving people or trying to figure out how to leas the fight away from the civilians. Not comparable at all.

You're right, because Superman didn't have a team and the entire planet, not just a city, was on the line.

[Chaotic]

Originally Posted by Groot

You're right, because Superman didn't have a team and the entire planet, not just a city, was on the line.

And didn't have any fighting experience.

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

you're comparing a Team vs a solo here, not really fair.. Zod was non stop with supes he didn't have a chance to do anything but stop him, he didn't have help to fight Zod all he was doing was to stop Zod by himself before he destroyed the planet. I mean did you not see that? ha I don't understand

Superman 2 - Supes spent his entire time trying to protect the people. He even appeared to lose the fight and run away to stop the destruction around them and lead the bad guys away from the city to finish the fight.

Man of Steel just wasn't written as a hero who cared that much. Hope that changes in BvS.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

Superman 2 - Supes spent his entire time trying to protect the people. He even appeared to lose the fight and run away to stop the destruction around them and lead the bad guys away from the city to finish the fight.

Man of Steel just wasn't written as a hero who cared that much. Hope that changes in BvS.

I guess saving the planet isn't worth the hero label. maybe if he made some lame corny jokes he would have gotten the label.

lol this is the man of steel thread all over again

[ThatOneGuy]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

[Show spoiler]Superman 2 - Supes spent his entire time trying to protect the people. He even appeared to lose the fight and run away to stop the destruction around them and lead the bad guys away from the city to finish the fight.

Man of Steel just wasn't written as a hero who cared that much. Hope that changes in BvS.

Well his "father" told him not to care about saving people at all, like even if they are definitely going to die if he doesn't save them... even if they are children.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by John Klein

Well his "father" told him not to care about saving people at all, like even if they are definitely going to die if he doesn't save them... even if they are children.

His father did not day that.

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by Groot

You're right, because Superman didn't have a team and the entire planet, not just a city, was on the line.

Originally Posted by Chaotic

And didn't have any fighting experience.

Ignoring that Superman 2 managed to be about saving people,

Let's just say your reasoning is a valid excuse for Supes apparent lack of concern about civilian casualties... then I guess I can expect a different kind of Superman in BvS?... One with a team and fighting experience that deals with our heroes saving people while fighting off the threat? I look forward to seeing this version in the new movie.

[Det. Bullock]

Originally Posted by Karmasux96

Hoe is Green Lantern a better movie than Iron Man 3? Green Lantern took the desperate superhero movie formula and stuck to it to a T. It's poorly acted, has terrible CGI, a rushed origin story, and it's two or three movies mashed into an incoherent mess. Not to mention it also made an abomination of a notable villain.

I absolutely love Green Lantern and they massacred him.

Iron Man 3 attempted something new with the MCU's most popular character and was bashed. At least it was a coherent and well acted story with well staged action.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

Superman 2 - Supes spent his entire time trying to protect the people. He even appeared to lose the fight and run away to stop the destruction around them and lead the bad guys away from the city to finish the fight.

Man of Steel just wasn't written as a hero who cared that much. Hope that changes in BvS.

In Superman II the bad guys went by silver age logic, in MoS they didn't.

[ThatOneGuy]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

His father did not day that.

No,

[Show spoiler] well then I guess him tell Superman that he shouldn't have saved those children in the bus nor when he signed him not to save him from the tornado, never happened in MoS

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He basically told Superman not to be Superman because he needs to hide the fact that he is Superman.

[therock666]

gonna just wait for the full 3 hour r-rated Blu-ray then see it in its chopped up pg-13 form in theater

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by John Klein

No,

[Show spoiler] well then I guess him tell Superman that he shouldn't have saved those children in the bus nor when he signed him not to save him from the tornado, never happened in MoS

.

He basically told Superman not to be Superman because he needs to hide the fact that he is Superman.

[Show spoiler]Yes he signed him not to save him from the tornado.

The talk after the bus scene was more detailed than what you are implying. He didnt even know what superman was at that time. You or course don't bring up all the people he saved before he became superman

[Groot]

Superman, in this DCU, had adoptive parents who feared for his safety. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you have to. They didn't want him exposed, which is totally understandable, because people could harm or even potentially seek his death because of being different. Hence right where this film leads.

Which is just like the world as it is right now.

I am really not getting why people can't see that Superman now vs 70's saving cats from trees Superman are not comparable and shouldn't be used to define what he is now. Superman, much like Captain America in the MCU, is defined by what the world is and MoS is a reflection of that.

[unsung122212]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

Superman 2 - Supes spent his entire time trying to protect the people. He even appeared to lose the fight and run away to stop the destruction around them and lead the bad guys away from the city to finish the fight.

Man of Steel just wasn't written as a hero who cared that much. Hope that changes in BvS.

The threat in Superman 2 is completely different than the threat in MoS. In Superman 2, you had 3 Kryptonians that wanted to dominate the world, not destroy it. In MoS, you had several Kryptonians, like more than 6, that wanted to physically turn Earth into Krypton, thus killing every human on Earth.

[ThatOneGuy]

Originally Posted by Groot

Superman, in this DCU, had adoptive parents who feared for his safety. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you have to. They didn't want him exposed, which is totally understandable, because people could harm or even potentially seek his death because of being different. Hence right where this film leads.

Which is just like the world as it is right now.

I am really not getting why people can't see that Superman now vs 70's saving cats from trees Superman are not comparable and shouldn't be used to define what he is now. Superman, much like Captain America in the MCU, is defined by what the world is and MoS is a reflection of that.

All I can say, he went out like a boss though. Really stuck to his guns about the no saving idea.

Also there is a reason why I love Batman so much, he is willing to risk everything to save people. I don't have an issue with Superman in MoS, I have an issue with his "father." Which funny enough, is the same issue I have with Foggy in the Daredevil show.

[imsounoriginal]

Apparently Wonder Woman is the main reason to see the movie, according to preview audience polling: http://collider.com/batman-v-superma...oman-fandango/

(I'll admit that I said the climax of the movie was the best part, and she figures pretty heavily there )

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by unsung122212

The threat in Superman 2 is completely different than the threat in MoS. In Superman 2, you had 3 Kryptonians that wanted to dominate the world, not destroy it. In MoS, you had several Kryptonians, like more than 6, that wanted to physically turn Earth into Krypton, thus killing every human on Earth.

Yep. I'm having trouble believing he has actually seen MOS. Superman saved tons of people throughout the movie, including the whole planet at the end, and then the people Zod tried killing in the building.