System Software Update v8.01

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Goodintentions

i disagree the new system does not need to do everything the old system does

sony stated at the start of PS4 being announced they were going back to making a GAMING machine .. not an all in one .. and honestly most people dont use half the non gaming crap anyway ..everyone wants every device to do everything under the sun ... phones that do everything .. tvs that do everything .... its just out of hand...

yeah I guess that's why it also plays blu Ray movies, runs Netflix, HULU, Amazon Prime, You Tube, plays mp3's, etc.

I get so tired of the "well it wasn't designed to be an all in one machine" cop out from people. Newsflash, it IS an all in one machine! However the X1 is kicking the PS4's ass nine ways to Sunday in this area and it pisses me off that Sony doesn't seem to care! USB tuner and DVR Support for 1080p??? Hell I'd be happy if Sony would just update the damn flash player support for their browser!!!

[jeff_rigby]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

yeah I guess that's why it also plays blu Ray movies, runs Netflix, HULU, Amazon Prime, You Tube, plays mp3's, etc.

I get so tired of the "well it wasn't designed to be an all in one machine" cop out from people. Newsflash, it IS an all in one machine! However the X1 is kicking the PS4's ass nine ways to Sunday in this area and it pisses me off that Sony doesn't seem to care! USB tuner and DVR Support for 1080p??? Hell I'd be happy if Sony would just update the damn flash player support for their browser!!!

Only one guy got it right: Both makers were looking for a way to increase the console “footprint”, increase the amount of apps, and lower the cost of software development. The Xbox One and the PS4 are designed to do a lot more than games. They designed the consoles to be the future hub for all home entertainment and home automation and control.

Power modes and TEE required which AMD provides with a ARM SoC inside the APU. Sony had to move this ARM block to the PS4 Southbridge so they could use GDDR5 with the APU. TEE = All commercial media enters the PS4 Southbridge codec compressed and encrypted and leaves the PS4 southbridge as a uncompressed HDCP 1 or 2.2 encrypted stream to the HDMI port. All "Playing of media" and video buffer with overlay takes place in the PS4 Southbridge with 256MB of memory. The APU can be turned off putting GDDR5 into self refresh and full screen video can continue to play.

This includes 4K blu-ray with digital bridge and Vidipath which use the same HTML5 <video> MSE and TEE DRM that the coming in 2016 replacement for the cable card can use. Hub = Client and Server (with second screen, Miracast and DLNA support), home streaming of games and Media from all it's sources: Antenna TV, Cable TV, OTT, BLu-ray; anytime = DVR and sideloading; and anywhere = Vidipath in home streaming with DTCP (Wmdrm10 for 1080i and lower and Playready ND 1080P and higher) and with DTCP+ (coming) possibly outside the home.

Games came first because they require no DRM beyond protecting the source/Disk or HD image and can be streamed without DRM.

2016+ media features will change the customer mix to more casual which is why the latest PS4 firmware has Parental controls and sub accounts for children.

Downside is UHD Blu-ray requires an on-line connection to unlock a disk and Playready ND requires a internet connection once every 48 hours.

[Blu Lemmy]

As long as it plays games as best it can who really cares

[Steedeel]

Anyone still getting the rebuild database message when booting up? I got it after the latest update and it's still persisting. Everything running fine apart from that.

[Blu Lemmy]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Anyone still getting the rebuild database message when booting up? I got it after the latest update and it's still persisting. Everything running fine apart from that.

Nope, had it first time around but not since

[jeff_rigby]

Originally Posted by Blu Lemmy

As long as it plays games as best it can who really cares

You guys are in advance of the US for some of the coming features supported by the Game Consoles. Your HbbTV 2.0 is similar to what's coming in the ATSC 2.0 Media Hub model and it's supported by Vidipath Smart TVs and Game Consoles which are designed to support Vidipath.

Mini-games can be interleaved with video and played during commercials (Sony has a patent for this).

That Microsoft has announced a DVR that supports 1080P means ATSC 2.0 is on track and will likely be supported by FREE Antenna TV channels sometime 2016. This gives us the blu-ray codec on sub channels allowing twice as many channels and/or 1080P, S3D, NRT (Non Realtime Transmission) and XTV (browser pullup during programming and WebGL mini-games).

Required are Smart TVs with browser and Playready or Vidipath STB with network or USB tuner, PS3, PS4 and XB1 included. If you don't have a Vidipath Smart TV then you will need the STB or Game Console to view it. For Cable TV the same since the new OTA content/features passes through to Cable. Rent a more expensive Cable TV box or buy your own...If you already have a PS4, XB1 or PS3 you just need a USB or Network Tuner, a firmware update and likely an APP from your Cable Company.

It looks like this CES Jan 2016 will have accessories for the coming Vidipath ecosystem. All the feature announcements since 2010 will be coming on line soon as it's all related and is why there are going to be 15 platforms announced as game consoles by Jan 2016. Second screen Miracast and DLNA will be big as well as the 12 or so TV second screen features.

Intel has a paper on some of the non-TV second screen uses: one is gaming related.

Splitting the gaming experience into a near screen controller and a large screen visual experience, new gaming experiences can be created. Accessing the local display on the small screen device and an external larger display allows for richer web-*based gaming experiences.

WebGL and game engines tied to web delivered/played games is coming when enough WebGL browsers are on-line. Vidipath STBs will have WebGL full HTML5 browsers. The full screen and second screen supported by Browsers allows traditional game consoles running AAA games to have access to the Living room Vidipath TV or Vidipath Phone or Tablet and to support second screen via APIs.....that will be a part of more and more games in the near future and is part of the WiiU forward looking feature set. It's also why Sony and Microsoft invested in phones and tablets....Second screen and XB1 as well as PS4 as Hubs to serve media, Games and services to the handhelds.

[Havok83]

good lord, how many times are you going to post all that technical stuff?

[dyne]

Originally Posted by Havok83

good lord, how many times are you going to post all that technical stuff?

I've wondered if anybody actually reads it.

[Blu Lemmy]

Lets not be rude chaps, he is posting info that some may find interesting

[Derb]

Originally Posted by Blu Lemmy

Lets not be rude chaps, he is posting info that some may find interesting

You mean like Google?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Blu Lemmy

Nope, had it first time around but not since

Ummm, bit worried now.

[owa]

3.0 hasn't been nearly as stable for me. With the one right before it, the PS4 shut down properly most of time and the store was actually working really well for the first time. Now I'm probably getting 3 beeps when shutting down 80-90% of the time (I'm actually shocked when it shuts down properly) and the store is back to usually requiring a reboot to get it to load.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by owa

3.0 hasn't been nearly as stable for me. With the one right before it, the PS4 shut down properly most of time and the store was actually working really well for the first time. Now I'm probably getting 3 beeps when shutting down 80-90% of the time (I'm actually shocked when it shuts down properly) and the store is back to usually requiring a reboot to get it to load.

Yeah, I'm hoping the next update corrects things. I'm the only one reporting the database rebuild so that is not good.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by owa

3.0 hasn't been nearly as stable for me. With the one right before it, the PS4 shut down properly most of time and the store was actually working really well for the first time. Now I'm probably getting 3 beeps when shutting down 80-90% of the time (I'm actually shocked when it shuts down properly) and the store is back to usually requiring a reboot to get it to load.

I get the 3 beeps more frequent.

I think the update is a little stubborn if the system is doing multipule things at once like downloading files, updates, running apps etc & then trying to enter rest mode or turn off.

[alvarosaldanha]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, I'm hoping the next update corrects things. I'm the only one reporting the database rebuild so that is not good.

I have this too! And some people have it as well! Can this damage your system?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alvarosaldanha

I have this too! And some people have it as well! Can this damage your system?

Not sure but it was not there before the update.

[alvarosaldanha]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Not sure but it was not there before the update.

Do you think we should wait for an update or initialize the PS4?

[dyne]

Originally Posted by alvarosaldanha

Do you think we should wait for an update or initialize the PS4?

I had this issue after 2.0 and wiping everything and re initializing finally fixed it. Bit of a pain it was though.

[alvarosaldanha]

Originally Posted by dyne

I had this issue after 2.0 and wiping everything and re initializing finally fixed it. Bit of a pain it was though.

Ok thanks! But if i leave it there, does it do any harm or is it safe?

[jsteinhauer]

Originally Posted by alvarosaldanha

Ok thanks! But if i leave it there, does it do any harm or is it safe?

It warns that you could potentially corrupt some data with an improper shutdown, but I've never had that happen. Only time I've ever had corrupted files is with buggy games and once during a routine file delete on PS3.

But, yeah, every morning now, I start up, it shuts down, I have to power on with the button, it scans files and reboots, then all is okay for the rest of the day. Used to have this happen a lot, if I shut the display off, before the PS4 is completely shut down, but it's not that this time.