The Official Energy Speakers Thread

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Hey Callas, if your around and you happen to see this, I believe I will make a blind purchase on some Energy CB 20's without even hearing them. lol.
After some reviews, and reading up to about page 17 of this thread, you guys (especially callas) have me pretty well convinced that I will like these over the Infinity p162's I've been considering.
So I guess what I'll do now is keep my eye out for a good deal online somewhere. The average cost for these pretty much across the web right now is 350. Would any of you Energy owners out there (including you callas) know of 2 or 3 online stores that I could monitor for a good deal? Do these fluctuate in price often, or should I just go all out and purchase them at 350?
Thank you guys!

Well, for a deal, you could look at the RC-10s they are the Reference series speakers and are on sale for the same price as the CB-20s, however the center channel is pricey.
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it..._c=site_search

The CB-20 I would look at vanns.com or http://www.wwstereo.com and amazon.com. You could call Vanns or World Wide Stereo to see if they will give you a discount, you will need to explain that you will be back for the center channel or see if they will package you a nice deal including the center channel, Perhaps for $500 or $525 for the package.

See if they will give you a 20% discount. OR if they have B-stock they will be willing to sell.

[Miker107]

Thanks Bigal and Callas, I will look into that. Boy, the RC-10 looks real tempting seeing they are normally 600. 350 for the pair sounds great. I will be selling some old car audio stuff I've had here in my house for several years, Bazooka bass tubes, JL audio 10" woofers in a custom box, several amps, 6x9 Boston Acoustics, stuff like that. I already have a couple of guys at work that are interested, so It looks like I may be able to come up with most of the money that way.

Eventually I will replace my center with a another Energy, bur for now I'm sure my Infinity sterling center would be ok for a little while.

I'm leaning toward the RC-10 now since they are on sale..

So, if I do decide on the RC-10 is it necessary that I go with the RC-LCR center, or could I go with a cheaper model later on? Man, that LCR is pricey.

[Miker107]

[QUOTE=BigAl87;3321115]I believe they have them In Magniola Stores at BB not sure if you have one in your area but they could go on special there.

BigAl, I had been discussing the Magnolia store thing with Callas yesterday, and I went to my local BB, but they were not a Magnolia store so they didn't have Energy's. There was no salesman in the showroom so I took it upon myself to demo some stuff while I was in there. I listened to both polk and Klipsch, but they sounded too high and hollow, like I was listening to them in a can.
Anyway, I got home and checked online, and there is no Magnolia store around here. Callas found an audio store in New Orleans for me, but its about 2.5 hours away, so I'm just going to buy something online.
Thanks for your help guys. Hopefully I will be a proud owner of some Energy's real soon.

[callas01]

[QUOTE=Miker107;3321888]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

I believe they have them In Magniola Stores at BB not sure if you have one in your area but they could go on special there.

BigAl, I had been discussing the Magnolia store thing with Callas yesterday, and I went to my local BB, but they were not a Magnolia store so they didn't have Energy's. There was no salesman in the showroom so I took it upon myself to demo some stuff while I was in there. I listened to both polk and Klipsch, but they sounded too high and hollow, like I was listening to them in a can.
Anyway, I got home and checked online, and there is no Magnolia store around here. Callas found an audio store in New Orleans for me, but its about 2.5 hours away, so I'm just going to buy something online.
Thanks for your help guys. Hopefully I will be a proud owner of some Energy's real soon.

So you know there is a possibility that the RC series will have some updates,... when exactly no one knows for sure, but many of us think in the next yr or so. If it does I am sure the RC-LCR will go down in price as they liquidate them. The CB-20s and CC-10 are the new line that replaced the speakers that BigAl and I have.

[Miker107]

[QUOTE=callas01;3322282]

Originally Posted by Miker107

So you know there is a possibility that the RC series will have some updates,... when exactly no one knows for sure, but many of us think in the next yr or so. If it does I am sure the RC-LCR will go down in price as they liquidate them. The CB-20s and CC-10 are the new line that replaced the speakers that BigAl and I have.

I was thinking about that too Callas. The LCR center could very well come on sale at some time in the future just like the RC 10's are now. I think I will spring for the RC-10's. It looks much nicer, and I'm sure probably sounds a little better than the CB-20 as well.

[BigAl87]

[QUOTE=Miker107;3322976]

Originally Posted by callas01

I was thinking about that too Callas. The LCR center could very well come on sale at some time in the future just like the RC 10's are now. I think I will spring for the RC-10's. It looks much nicer, and I'm sure probably sounds a little better than the CB-20 as well.

Very smooth mids and Highs on the RC series and tight as hell and extend lower even with a smaller driver the overall construction is amazing on those puppies and use real wood veneers.

The new CF and CB basically Conoisseur are of a better construction and design then what we have Callas and I own.

[callas01]

[QUOTE=Miker107;3322976]

Originally Posted by callas01

I was thinking about that too Callas. The LCR center could very well come on sale at some time in the future just like the RC 10's are now. I think I will spring for the RC-10's. It looks much nicer, and I'm sure probably sounds a little better than the CB-20 as well.

Im not sure how much better the RCs will sound, I haven't heard them, but I know that the CFs/CBs us a lot of the same Components of the Veritas/RC series such as the Ribbed Eliptical surrounds, Convergence Source Module, The same tweeter. So you do get a lot of the same trickle down. Thankfully.

I would think that the Kevlar may be a stiffer and more accurate material, and a faster driver then the (I believe) fiberglass they use on the CF/CB drivers.

Anyways just keep your eye out for the RC-LCR to go on sale.... and you have to let us know what you think.

[BigAl87]

[QUOTE=callas01;3324055]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Im not sure how much better the RCs will sound, I haven't heard them, but I know that the CFs/CBs us a lot of the same Components of the Veritas/RC series such as the Ribbed Eliptical surrounds, Convergence Source Module, The same tweeter. So you do get a lot of the same trickle down. Thankfully.

I would think that the Kevlar may be a stiffer and more accurate material, and a faster driver then the (I believe) fiberglass they use on the CF/CB drivers.

Anyways just keep your eye out for the RC-LCR to go on sale.... and you have to let us know what you think.

Not the same components but Technology is, if you ask me they do not sound the same at all, the RC-10 sounds much bigger honestly and uses an Kevlar cone vs polypropylene. Smoother mids, I found also that they sound more refined IMHO. The 10 hz difference is really showing and provide the RC-10 an edge over the CB-20. Wood veneer makes tem look like a higher end speaker which they are.

I'm not trying to bring down the CB-20 I love this speaker but feel like you get a greater bang for the buck with the RC-10 now.

[callas01]

[QUOTE=BigAl87;3324087]

Originally Posted by callas01

Not the same components but Technology is, if you ask me they do not sound the same at all, the RC-10 sounds much bigger honestly and uses an Kevlar cone vs polypropylene. Smoother mids, I found also that they sound more refined IMHO. The 10 hz difference is really showing and provide the RC-10 an edge over the CB-20. Wood veneer makes tem look like a higher end speaker which they are.

I'm not trying to bring down the CB-20 I love this speaker but feel like you get a greater bang for the buck with the RC-10 now.

Thanks Oliver..... I really need to find a place that has the RCs around me. I wasn't trying to say the CBs were on the same level as the RCs, I was just saying that I am not sure how much higher the Bar was...... Although like you I did recommend the RCs a few posts back.....

[BigAl87]

[QUOTE=callas01;3324125]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Thanks Oliver..... I really need to find a place that has the RCs around me. I wasn't trying to say the CBs were on the same level as the RCs, I was just saying that I am not sure how much higher the Bar was...... Although like you I did recommend the RCs a few posts back.....

Hehe Steve,
I think you and I would share the same opinion and I guess we say the same thing.

I was lucky enough to ear them both, I can really tell, Comparing RC-70 and CF-70 was sort of the same thing as I described the difference in sound for those 2 in earlier post as you had requested.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Monkey

Interesting news. I wonder if they have the same designers that made Energy what they are or if they are now Klipch designers that took over.

Just to follow up on this.... The lead designer for Energy has retired, and actually, he still works as a consultant from time to time, AND, the RC series was the first speakers built under Klipsch ownership, AND WITHOUT the former lead designer.

So rest assured that you love your RCs and that the new CFs are very good speakers.... the current design team is doing an Excellent job.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Mmm hard to tell I think you will find a Signature Energy Sound. Great Imaging with really wide soundfield with absolutely amazing staging.

Certainly a bit smoother in the midrange department but where the difference really stands is mostly in X-over quality and Stronger Cabinet with better finish wich will make the sound even better with absolutely no coloration at higher volumes Funny that both use the same Damping Material tho, pink fiberglass wool.

The CF doe snot sound colored but at higher volume I think you would see the difference with the stronger cabinet.

To be honest at low to moderate volume it will be hard to tell wich is better but as you increse the volume signicantly you will find out what the stronger cabinet really does.


CF Series will blow the Digms Monitor out of the water just for their much better staging and how much stronger imaging.

A 500$ Mission M33i sounded better than the Monitor 7 priced at 800$ in Canada.

You mean this one?

right but I was thinking if the case that your looking at spending $2k or $1k, if your getting 70-90%, you would have to think really hard about wether its worth the extra money.... i the case of Miker07, yes, get the RC10s, they are the same price as the CB20s then just wait on the RC-LCR to drop and go on liquidation.

I was talking with Rhett(rded) about his Saphire Dynaudio speakers and his dealer told him that this $16k speakers were about 75-80% of what their $100k speakers were... so he gets all that performance out of his speakers @ 1/5th of the price...

with that said, if you were shopping the RC-70s & the CF-70s, would it be worth paying twice the cost to gain only 20-25%.....

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

You mean this one?

right but I was thinking if the case that your looking at spending $2k or $1k, if your getting 70-90%, you would have to think really hard about wether its worth the extra money.... i the case of Miker07, yes, get the RC10s, they are the same price as the CB20s then just wait on the RC-LCR to drop and go on liquidation.

I was talking with Rhett(rded) about his Saphire Dynaudio speakers and his dealer told him that this $16k speakers were about 75-80% of what their $100k speakers were... so he gets all that performance out of his speakers @ 1/5th of the price...

with that said, if you were shopping the RC-70s & the CF-70s, would it be worth paying twice the cost to gain only 20-25%.....

Hehe big time in Mikers case it's not such a big deal spending an extra 100$ it's worth it but yeah in your case it would litterally be double the price there i'm not sure

[Miker107]

Thank you so much for your input guys. I will go online and order those RC-10's probably on Tuesday after the holiday is over. I'm pretty excited about getting these, especially the way my current speakers are sounding. I tried to watch a movie yesterday and all the buzzing was really distracting.
Thanks guys, you're a very informative bunch..

[Miker107]

Well, before purchasing the RC-10's I wanted to read a little bit more through the thread. I'm only about half way through this thread but stumbled upon the conversation and links to the other forum concerning the difference between the RC-10 and CB-20. Upon reading those posts I'm beginning to reconsider the CB-20, based on the remarks concerning the "larger sound" and "wider soundstage" that the CB-20 exhibited over the RC-10. My primary use for these will be movies rather than music.
I have not read completely through this thread, so this my have been discussed again at a later date, but have any of you Energy owners experienced using the RC-10's as L/R fronts in a HT environment? I'm probably making more out of this than I should, as I'm sure they both would work fine, but after reading those posts it sounds like the CB-20 would be more suitable for HT. Any thoughts?

[arrt vandelay]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Well, before purchasing the RC-10's I wanted to read a little bit more through the thread. I'm only about half way through this thread but stumbled upon the conversation and links to the other forum concerning the difference between the RC-10 and CB-20. Upon reading those posts I'm beginning to reconsider the CB-20, based on the remarks concerning the "larger sound" and "wider soundstage" that the CB-20 exhibited over the RC-10. My primary use for these will be movies rather than music.
I have not read completely through this thread, so this my have been discussed again at a later date, but have any of you Energy owners experienced using the RC-10's as L/R fronts in a HT environment? I'm probably making more out of this than I should, as I'm sure they both would work fine, but after reading those posts it sounds like the CB-20 would be more suitable for HT. Any thoughts?

i've owned the rc-10s and used them as fronts for a few days, and i didn't think i was really losing anything other than a little xtra volume over my c-500 towers. there was no doubt that the rc-10 was a nicer speaker than my c-series towers, but in your case i would recommend getting the cb-20s just for the affordability/availability of the matching center, the cc-10. the rc-lcr is grossly overpriced at retail now, and who knows when it will come down. if your main focus is just ht, i think the added performance of the rc-10 vs the cb20 is overrated based on the cost of both in my opinion.

if you really want the rc-10s, then you could order 2 pairs and use identical speakers across the front. this is a great option, but sometimes placement could be an issue.

now if you lived in western nc, i could cut you a nice deal on some energy towers and impossible to find center channel, but with that aside, i think a system based off of the cb20s would be great for you...

EDIT:hopefully, i'm not contradicting myself here as i may have recommened the rc-10s earlier in the thread...don't remember...anyway, either speaker would be great...

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Well, before purchasing the RC-10's I wanted to read a little bit more through the thread. I'm only about half way through this thread but stumbled upon the conversation and links to the other forum concerning the difference between the RC-10 and CB-20. Upon reading those posts I'm beginning to reconsider the CB-20, based on the remarks concerning the "larger sound" and "wider soundstage" that the CB-20 exhibited over the RC-10. My primary use for these will be movies rather than music.
I have not read completely through this thread, so this my have been discussed again at a later date, but have any of you Energy owners experienced using the RC-10's as L/R fronts in a HT environment? I'm probably making more out of this than I should, as I'm sure they both would work fine, but after reading those posts it sounds like the CB-20 would be more suitable for HT. Any thoughts?

Arrt Vandellay used the RC-10s for a short time in HT and in Music and said that they excel at both, and compared them to his C-500s which have 2 6.5" woofers, he said that they had better detail, just not as much deep bass. The added detail the RC series will give you will be nice whether for HT or music, that is where the RC are better then the CBs. I think you are fine either way. The CBs do present a slightly more forward presentation, so they may appear to be "louder" and that may be what someone was referring to... Im not sure.

I really believe you will be truly satisfied either way you choose.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by arrt vandelay

i've owned the rc-10s and used them as fronts for a few days, and i didn't think i was really losing anything other than a little xtra volume over my c-500 towers. there was no doubt that the rc-10 was a nicer speaker than my c-series towers, but in your case i would recommend getting the cb-20s just for the affordability/availability of the matching center, the cc-10. the rc-lcr is grossly overpriced at retail now, and who knows when it will come down. if your main focus is just ht, i think the added performance of the rc-10 vs the cb20 is overrated based on the cost of both in my opinion.

if you really want the rc-10s, then you could order 2 pairs and use identical speakers across the front. this is a great option, but sometimes placement could be an issue.

now if you lived in western nc, i could cut you a nice deal on some energy towers and impossible to find center channel, but with that aside, i think a system based off of the cb20s would be great for you...

hopefully, i'm not contradicting myself here as i may have recommened the rc-10s earlier in the thread...don't remember...anyway, either speaker would be great...

what are you up to now?

[arrt vandelay]

Originally Posted by callas01

what are you up to now?

don't know yet...may end up staying put, may change over everything-depends on selling what i currently have...

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by callas01

Arrt Vandellay used the RC-10s for a short time in HT and in Music and said that they excel at both, and compared them to his C-500s which have 2 6.5" woofers, he said that they had better detail, just not as much deep bass. The added detail the RC series will give you will be nice whether for HT or music, that is where the RC are better then the CBs. I think you are fine either way. The CBs do present a slightly more forward presentation, so they may appear to be "louder" and that may be what someone was referring to... Im not sure.

I really believe you will be truly satisfied either way you choose.

Arrt and Callas, thank you both for your input. I was all set on the RC-10 when I ran across the post started by Capt at post #846 here: https://forum.blu-ray.com/speakers/9...thread-43.html

This started the discussion on the comparison between the RC-10 and CB-20, and it seemed that the CB-20 came out on top for HT use. However, I may be nit picking here anyway. I'm sure I can't go wrong with either.

Arrt, what makes this so difficult for me is that they are both priced the same at nearly 350 at vanns, so I'm currently torn between the 2.