Films cut by distrubitors

[fatboyslim142]

Originally Posted by Alister_M

Can't see any others that I know to be 1080i. It's the extended edition of the Millennium Trilogy that has issues on the local release - it's apparently been converted from a 1080i TV master back to 1080p. Although I do remember seeing some dodgy compression artefacts in the local disc of The Girl Who Played With Fire theatrical cut as well. I picked up the UK versions of both theatrical and extended cuts a while ago and they're excellent, the only issue being The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo only having lossy audio.

The so called "extended cuts" are the original versions done for TV before they were released in Cinemas first.

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by fatboyslim142

The so called "extended cuts" are the original versions done for TV before they were released in Cinemas first.

That's just like a lot of extended cuts, it's what the producers intended in the first place. Either way, they were all shot on film, but obviously had to be converted to 25fps for TV. Roadshow's BD versions all run for roughly 180 minutes each, which is clear indicator they're sourced from a 25fps master. The UK and US ones are all around 186 minutes.

[koberulz]

I'm now even more confused than I was yesterday...

I have this set:

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by koberulz

I'm now even more confused than I was yesterday...

I have this set:

That's the theatrical trilogy. The extended cuts are all 3 hours each. But don't get the local releases, they're quite awful. The UK set is great, and easily obtainable for peanuts.

[rip63]

Originally Posted by Alister_M

The UK set is great, and easily obtainable for peanuts.

Yep, that's the one I have and it's great. I like how each of the three 3 hour film are split in to two installments for each, which I imagine is how they were screened on TV in Europe. Or Sweden at least. Like a "mini-series", as they used to call them.

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by rip63

Yep, that's the one I have and it's great. I like how each of the three 3 hour film are split in to two installments for each, which I imagine is how they were screened on TV in Europe. Or Sweden at least. Like a "mini-series", as they used to call them.

Yeah, the longer cuts were exactly that - they originally produced them in the mini-series format, but ended up releasing the shortened theatrical cuts first and then the mini-series screened a year later.

[koberulz]

Unfortunately anything from the UK is a PITA to get a hold of these days.

Which set is it? How necessary is it compared to what I've got? Does it include both cuts or only the extendeds?

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by koberulz

Unfortunately anything from the UK is a PITA to get a hold of these days.

Which set is it? How necessary is it compared to what I've got? Does it include both cuts or only the extendeds?

This one: It's the extended version only. They wouldn't be able to branch them, since they're all framed differently than the theatrical versions. Basically you get an extra 2 hours of footage all up - mostly character development, but it makes for a more satisfying experience. Also I think some of the sex and violence may be slightly more graphic than the theatrical cuts, but don't quote me on that And it's 8 quid on Ebay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Girl-...cd2908daa68b7d

[koberulz]

Posts worldwide, excluding Australia.

Isn't it just so much fun living in the 1990s?

[Rick Grimes]

Originally Posted by koberulz

I still struggle to hear PAL speedup even in direct comparison clips...I have a ton of PAL DVDs I was gifted recently. That'll be an interesting experience, most of my DVDs were (through happenstance rather than planning) US-sourced prior to getting these.

Are there any other Blu-rays I need to replace? Someone else mentioned the Millennium Trilogy previously but I just checked those and they're all genuinely 24p, not even 23.976p as Reservoir Dogs is.

At least with 24 vs. 23.976, there is no discernible difference.

24fps = 24 frames being shot in a second, that's .04166667 second per frame, assuming a 180 degree shutter which exposes the media to light for half the frame rate time, the exposure for 24 fps is .02083333 second, or 1/48 second. Now, 23.976fps = .04172404 second per frame, and at 180 degree shutter - .02086202 second exposure. Basically you have to get to the 5th decimal place to find a difference in the exposure times between the two, and rounding to the 4th decimal place makes a 1/10,000th of a second (that's 1/10 of a millisecond) difference... Aesthetically they will look the same.

25fps to 24fps conversion, that makes the pitch lower and slows music down (try watching Doctor Who S1-4 Blu-Ray), means that UK shows put onto US Blu-Ray’s suffer from “PAL Slowdown” while converting from 50 interlaced frames per second broadcast speed, to 25 progressive frames for BD.

Was just watching Smallville on 7Flix (at the In-Laws watching Free-To-Air TV) and I heard U2’s “A Beautiful Day”, and since I am always used to hearing it on the radio, I immediately noticed the PAL speed-up (faster tempo was obvious).

If you have difficulty in hearing the difference in PAL speed-up, more power to you, but if you want to really notice the difference, try playing the PAL version and BD version on 2 players, at the same time OR delay one by 15 seconds and change inputs every 15 seconds or so
OR play the DVD on laptop and BD on TV simultaneously
OR if that’s not possible, even try recording one minute of a theme (Star Wars or Simpsons) at PAL speed on your phone and play the recorded files the same time as the Blu-Ray.

When you play them at the sane time, you should really notice the difference. After one minute, the PAL version will be 2 and a half seconds ahead of the standard speed version.

I use the Star Wars theme, recorded on my I-phone, as a great example of PAL Speed-up (PAL vs. 24fps), if it is ever brought up in conversation.
The Simpsons is another good example. And recently, having bought/watched The Office on BD this year, I really notice the difference in the speed of that theme (and the pitch, to a lesser degree).

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by koberulz

Posts worldwide, excluding Australia.

Isn't it just so much fun living in the 1990s?

I'm surprised they haven't blocked us too in that case Here's a better deal anyway, and definitely ships to Australia: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Girl-...oAAOSw~cldTaia

[koberulz]

Originally Posted by Rick Grimes

If you have difficulty in hearing the difference in PAL speed-up, more power to you, but if you want to really notice the difference, try playing the PAL version and BD version on 2 players, at the same time OR delay one by 15 seconds and change inputs every 15 seconds or so.

Like I said, even in direct comparison videos I've seen posted here I can barely tell the difference. I don't know if pitch and tempo just aren't things that my brain notices - I've never had an interest in music either - or what it is. But until I was gifted a bunch of PAL DVDs a few months back I owned almost none, so it's not been a huge issue.

Originally Posted by Alister_M

I'm surprised they haven't blocked us too in that case Here's a better deal anyway, and definitely ships to Australia: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Girl-...oAAOSw~cldTaia

It's five pounds more, not sure how it's a better deal?

Either way I wouldn't describe $27 as "peanuts". I only paid $20 for the set I have at the moment.

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by koberulz

It's five pounds more, not sure how it's a better deal?

Either way I wouldn't describe $27 as "peanuts". I only paid $20 for the set I have at the moment.

That's including shipping though, and it's much faster shipping too. OK so maybe it's not peanuts, more like cashews. I think mine was about $20 from The Warehouse. Either way, it depends how much you're into the series. If you're a casual fan then the theatricals are probably enough. If you're a big fan, the extra 2 hours is worth shelling out for.

[SillyG]

The Blu-ray/UHD releases of Jumanji: The Next Level (which include additional bonus features not found on the DVD) has been censored. The original Blu-ray submission received an M for "Coarse language", but was censored by approximately 1 minute in order to secure a PG classification. My guess is that the gag reel was modified (I don't know why they didn't just add bleeps rather than cutting the footage altogether).

The UHD disc doesn't contain any extras so our local UHD disc is unaffected, but the included Blu-ray is the censored Australian print.

Likewise, the home video releases of My Spy contain the twice-censored Australian theatrical version of the film (the original submission was classified M for "Action violence", and a cut version was unsuccessful in securing a PG classification, but a third submission, containing additional cuts, finally received a PG).

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by SillyG

The Blu-ray/UHD releases of Jumanji: The Next Level (which include additional bonus features not found on the DVD) has been censored. The original Blu-ray submission received an M for "Coarse language", but was censored by approximately 1 minute in order to secure a PG classification. My guess is that the gag reel was modified (I don't know why they didn't just add bleeps rather than cutting the footage altogether).

The UHD disc doesn't contain any extras so our local UHD disc is unaffected, but the included Blu-ray is the censored Australian print.

Likewise, the home video releases of My Spy contain the twice-censored Australian theatrical version of the film (the original submission was classified M for "Action violence", and a cut version was unsuccessful in securing a PG classification, but a third submission, containing additional cuts, finally received a PG).

Ah darn. And I think we have the only release of My Spy too. Thanks for the heads up. I'll wait for an import. Ah gee I see it is two minutes shorter than the German preorder listing.

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

Ah darn. And I think we have the only release of My Spy too. Thanks for the heads up. I'll wait for an import. Ah gee I see it is two minutes shorter than the German preorder listing.

There's also a Canadian release, but not for a couple more months.

[fistymusic]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

Ah darn. And I think we have the only release of My Spy too. Thanks for the heads up. I'll wait for an import. Ah gee I see it is two minutes shorter than the German preorder listing.

I too will wait and import a copy, as I normally do.

[Count Yorga]

Back in the '80s, I saw the first Hellraiser in a Village Roadshow cinema, unaware until I watched it that it had been cut to avoid an R rating. It was rated M at the time. Roadshow ripped me off again with its Australian cinema release of Walter Hill's Extreme Prejudice, which had also been given a short back and sides by a censor so it wouldn't stray past an M rating.

If you bought a book with several pages missing, you'd want your money back. Movies that have been censored or have had scenes excised by distributors should come with a clearly visible warning so that consumers know they’re buying an incomplete product.

[Aunt Peg]

A Nightmare on Elm Street & Alien were both cut to obtain M ratings too.

The funny thing about Alien was when it was released on VHS a couple of years later Fox released the uncut version and it was still rated M. I don't know whether they had resubmitted it or just released the uncut without version without bothering to have it reclassified.

However, sometimes the joke is on the censors. Walerian Borowczyk's Lulu (1980) was released uncut and given a cinema release in 1982. However, the censors had no idea (neither did I at the time) and the leading lady who does plenty of nudity was under age. It's actually why the film can't be released in a number of countries on DVD/Blu Ray. But I think it is hilarious that the censors passed it uncut completely oblivious to the girls age - but then I had no idea either and I doubt anyone in Australia did.

[koberulz]

Would it be out of line to use the "report post" function to alert a moderator to the typo in the thread title?