Home Video Sales Thread (HMM weekly/DEG quarterly/Nielsen Top 20/etc.)

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Disney will just do a deal with someone to distribute their discs. Similar to the Criterion deal. They won’t leave money on the table.

They distribute all their 3D movies on 3D Blu-ray in both the US and UK mkarkets? Isn't that leaving money on the table?

[Lee A Stewart]

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

They distribute all their 3D movies on 3D Blu-ray in both the US and UK mkarkets? Isn't that leaving money on the table?

Still a small but dedicated crowd buying 3D. Must be worthwhile or they wouldn’t do it.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Still a small but dedicated crowd buying 3D. Must be worthwhile or they wouldn’t do it.

That's the thiing - they don't. They aren't distributing 3D BDs. Not in the US or the UK - the two biggest markets for physical media.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

That's the thiing - they don't. They aren't distributing 3D BDs

When did they stop that? I bought some up until 18 months ago. Thought they still sold them state side?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

When did they stop that? I bought some up until 18 months ago. Thought they still sold them state side?

Spend some time over at the 3D BD section. They are paying big money ($80 to $100) to import them from Japan - if they are even available.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Spend some time over at the 3D BD section. They are paying big money ($80 to $100) to import them from Japan - if they are even available.

I buy mostly 4K for those films and nearly every blockbuster these days.

I do still dabble with 3DFA titles when they are region free.

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

When did they stop that? I bought some up until 18 months ago. Thought they still sold them state side?

I think the last US release of a 3D Blu-ray was Dune.

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Spend some time over at the 3D BD section. They are paying big money ($80 to $100) to import them from Japan - if they are even available.

Random Space Media in Australia has been putting out some blockbusters in 3D. They did No Way Home and recently announced Jurassic World: Dominion.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

I think the last US release of a 3D Blu-ray was Dune.

Random Space Media in Australia has been putting out some blockbusters in 3D. They did No Way Home and recently announced Jurassic World: Dominion.

All those were post process 3D. For 2022 we have these shot in 3D:

Avatar 2
Lightyear
Minions: The Rise of Gru

When or if they make it to 3D BD is an unknown.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

All those were post process 3D. For 2022 we have these shot in 3D:

Avatar 2
Lightyear
Minions: The Rise of Gru

When or if they make it to 3D BD is an unknown.

The last two are not "shot" in 3D. They are rendered in 3D. No cameras used. Content comes out of a computer.

[slimjean]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

BD is a mass market product. UHD-BD is not. It's a niche product. It will always be such. If UHD-BD is really the "new BD" when it comes to huge blockbusters, then the total market is shrinking faster than the yearly 18%.

Look at the 3 format Pie Charts. Has UHD-BD ever outsold BD for the Top 50 titles? Answer: Never.

That is pitiful logic. UHD is a young format that is finally gaining traction with fierce competition.

Declaring it as just a niche is ignoring the fact that even a year ago it had numbers as low as 3%. You can have a 200% increase and you would still hold on to a format that dominated for 30 years.

Your bias is obvious and worse it is constant.

DVD continues to fall while UHD snd BD continue to gain percent market share.

Renters/test rats are always going to be the majority. So what?

Getting a UHD to the store creates jobs. It burns gas, employs designers/molders/packaging/shippers...and yes even branches to other sales when you have to physically get the item. Also you have resale value as opposed to stupidly buying air and relying on externsl servers to house a library that you are at the mercy of like a slave.

To compare rentals to hardcore collectors is flat out simpleton.

As I have stated many times, boutique labels do not report sales to the private organization that is the DEG. They are not peer reviewed and worse they don't represent all physical sales anyway.

They are a guideline at best and UHD consistently in double digits must be painful to see when the agenda is to applaud digital sales only.

Something tells me that you when you start seeing BD pass up DVD you will stop posting. That will crush the "niche" fairytale and it will be on to the next optical disc replacement.

What I don't get is the reposting of inaccurate information that anyone can go grab themselves. It wouldn't be so bad if there wasn't the agenda decoration to go with it.

Here is the pattern ...cool UHD is doing better...

But it is just a niche....

Hey nice to see 3D hanging in....

Nobody distributes 3D...

So obvious and BORING. If you are going to report redundancy why not just report and let the so called facts speak for themselves?

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

The last two are not "shot" in 3D. They are rendered in 3D. No cameras used. Content comes out of a computer.

So what? Does that make it dead. So when VS released their 3D titles does that not count? Or are only new 3D shot films a success in your book? Analog only movies are shrinking too...must mean it is "failing" and going to "niche" too!

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by slimjean

That is pitiful logic. UHD is a young format that is finally gaining traction with fierce competition.

Declaring it as just a niche is ignoring the fact that even a year ago it had numbers as low as 3%. You can have a 200% increase and you would still hold on to a format that dominated for 30 years.

Your bias is obvious and worse it is constant.

You are ignoring the state of the market - the ENTIRE market. It's shrinking. THAT is why UHD-BD top 50 numbers are double digit. BD buyers are leaving the market. UHD-BD buyers continue to buy.

It's objective - facts. Not subjective - opinion. So pound sand!

DVD continues to fall while UHD snd BD continue to gain percent market share.

There is absoluterly ZERO proof of this statement. it's pure:

Renters/test rats are always going to be the majority. So what?

Getting a UHD to the store creates jobs. It burns gas, employs designers/molders/packaging/shippers...and yes even branches to other sales when you have to physically get the item. Also you have resale value as opposed to stupidly buying air and relying on externsl servers to house a library that you are at the mercy of like a slave.

To compare rentals to hardcore collectors is flat out simpleton.

Ah - I don't see in any of my posts where I even mentioned rentals. So this is 100% your agenda. Don't be pulling me into your bullshit views.

As I have stated many times, boutique labels do not report sales to the private organization that is the DEG. They are not peer reviewed and worse they don't represent all physical sales anyway.

No sales outlets report to the DEG. I am surprised you actually think they do. It's done by POS . . . Point Of Sale through Rentrak which is now owned by Comscore.

They are a guideline at best and UHD consistently in double digits must be painful to see when the agenda is to applaud digital sales only.

Take a chill pill buddy. Again you are just spewing BS as I never mentioned anything about digital sales. But I will now. They are growing while disc is dying at 18% a year.

Something tells me that you when you start seeing BD pass up DVD you will stop posting. That will crush the "niche" fairytale and it will be on to the next optical disc replacement.

Another falacy. BTW - we've been waiting for BD to surpass DVD now since 2006. Hasn't happened yet. Probably won't happen ever. Not while studios continue to release a lot of their content on DVD only.

What I don't get is the reposting of inaccurate information that anyone can go grab themselves. It wouldn't be so bad if there wasn't the agenda decoration to go with it.

Here is the pattern ...cool UHD is doing better...

But it is just a niche....

Hey nice to see 3D hanging in....

Nobody distributes 3D...

So obvious and BORING. If you are going to report redundancy why not just report and let the so called facts speak for themselves?

UHD-BD IS just a niche and forever will be. That's a fact whether you want to accept it - well - that's your problem.

They don't sell 3D TVs anymore. For the most part if you want to buy a 3D BD you have to import from either Japan or Australia. Those are facts. You can't run down to Best Buy and pick em up there. Another fact.

And please use my entire quote - wehat I said - which is few if any studios are distributing 3D BDs in the US and the UK. Another fact.

You're nothing more than and agenda filled Keyboard Kowboy who hides behind a screen in his parents basment.

[slimjean]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You're nothing more than and agenda filled Keyboard Kowboy who hides behind a screen in his parents basment.

This house is clean.

p.s. Renters are streamers no matter how it is spun. Connect the dots just a little.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You are ignoring the state of the market - the ENTIRE market. It's shrinking. THAT is why UHD-BD top 50 numbers are double digit. BD buyers are leaving the market. UHD-BD buyers continue to buy.

It's objective - facts. Not subjective - opinion. So pound sand!



There is absoluterly ZERO proof of this statement. it's pure:





Ah - I don't see in any of my posts where I even mentioned rentals. So this is 100% your agenda. Don't be pulling me into your bullshit views.



No sales outlets report to the DEG. I am surprised you actually think they do. It's done by POS . . . Point Of Sale through Rentrak which is now owned by Comscore.



Take a chill pill buddy. Again you are just spewing BS as I never mentioned anything about digital sales. But I will now. They are growing while disc is dying at 18% a year.



Another falacy. BTW - we've been waiting for BD to surpass DVD now since 2006. Hasn't happened yet. Probably won't happen ever. Not while studios continue to release a lot of their content on DVD only.



UHD-BD IS just a niche and forever will be. That's a fact whether you want to accept it - well - that's your problem.

They don't sell 3D TVs anymore. For the most part if you want to buy a 3D BD you have to import from either Japan or Australia. Those are facts. You can't run down to Best Buy and pick em up there. Another fact.

And please use my entire quote - wehat I said - which is few if any studios are distributing 3D BDs in the US and the UK. Another fact.

You're nothing more than and agenda filled Keyboard Kowboy who hides behind a screen in his parents basment.

I wouldn’t say Blu-Ray collectors are leaving the market on mass, they are just upgrading to UHD, hence the increases.

By the way, that digital growth is barely worth getting excited about. Not exactly healthy for what stage it’s at. Won’t be long until that is minus.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I wouldn’t say Blu-Ray collectors are leaving the market on mass, they are just upgrading to UHD, hence the increases.

Notice how few "green" weeks Blu-ray has.

By the way, that digital growth is barely worth getting excited about. Not exactly healthy for what stage it’s at. Won’t be long until that is minus.

2% or 3% growth beats -18% reduction all day long.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Notice how few "green" weeks Blu-ray has.



2% or 3% growth beats -18% reduction all day long.

Yeah, shock that in a year when blockbusters are only just getting back to their feet. Who would have thought it?

Really Lee, you need to stop gloating about disc decline, it’s a really bad look.

Blu-Ray and UHD will be around for a long time yet.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, shock that in a year when blockbusters are only just getting back to their feet. Who would have thought it?

Really Lee, you need to stop gloating about disc decline, it’s a really bad look.

Blu-Ray and UHD will be around for a long time yet.

LOL - look whos talking. Can you ever stop tearing down Digital Sales Steedeel?

DVD, BD and UHD-BD will be around for at least another 5 to 7 years. They will live together and die together.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

LOL - look whos talking. Can you ever stop tearing down Digital Sales Steedeel?

DVD, BD and UHD-BD will be around for at least another 5 to 7 years. They will live together and die together.

Digital sales are rubbish. All the devices that can play them and STILL very small growth. It could be virtually flat next year, not the future at all.

New cable ‘subscription’ is the growth and even then, as a profit been turned yet? Nope, it’s always ‘next year’.

I don’t support mediocrity and that’s what EST is.

Disc will be around longer than that by the way. You are just the latest in a long list of people too be wrong with their predictions. Apple claimed 1080p downloads would end disc, never happened.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

The last two are not "shot" in 3D. They are rendered in 3D. No cameras used. Content comes out of a computer.

When I posted that it was assumed anyone interested in those titles would know they were CGI and further dissertation was not needed.

I see “A film by XYZ” quite often but the entire project was video based, no actual film used. For those in the know would be aware, for others it really does not matter.

[Wendell R. Breland]

For sometime now the MPN data just shows the results of disc sales. There was a time when Kosty did sales graphics that showed Blu-ray sales data and box office power, made it easy to see the correlation between the two. Years ago I used to buy more A tentpoles in month than we get in a year now.

The decline in Blu-ray disc sales is simple, saturation and very few A tentpoles every year. And there seems to be less interest in ownership in general.