Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

For $3500….

https://www.cultofmac.com/819325/for...eadset-better/

It was well documented that it would be this expensive. Like I say, it’s more for developers and well off tech enthusiasts. Nobody bats an eyelid when 100 inch Micro LED walls are priced in the high thousands after all. This will be filtered down to a more mainstream device in 3-4 years.

[bhampton]

It’s not even wireless.
Surely the next version will be.

[crutzulee]

I know that I'm in the minority on this thread about streaming's ability to one day catch up with current physical media quality, but I don't think I'll ever come around to the idea of watching a movie with a headset...

My most magical movie memories were introducing my kids to certain movies and looking over to sneak a peek at their faces at the critical reveal points...

I'll never forget those moments in movies like T2 and EMPIRE STRIKES BACK...I was so fortunate to experience these moments twice as they became age appropriate at different times.... more recently, when my daughter and I experience films together for the first time, there is nothing better than we both stop and look at each other on amazement when something unexpectedly cool happens up on the screen... I know, i know we're supposed to be focused on the movie... but those moments are pure magic... and would be totally lost if we were wearing our own individual headsets...

[Better in Blu]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

I know that I'm in the minority on this thread about streaming's ability to one day catch up with current physical media quality, but I don't think I'll ever come around to the idea of watching a movie with a headset...

My most magical movie memories were introducing my kids to certain movies and looking over to sneak a peek at their faces at the critical reveal points...

I'll never forget those moments in movies like T2 and EMPIRE STRIKES BACK...I was so fortunate to experience these moments twice as they became age appropriate at different times.... more recently, when my daughter and I experience films together for the first time, there is nothing better than we both stop and look at each other on amazement when something unexpectedly cool happens up on the screen... I know, i know we're supposed to be focused on the movie... but those moments are pure magic... and would be totally lost if we were wearing our own individual headsets...

Hence the reason 3D is basically gone. No one wants to wear bulky glasses or headsets to watch a movie. I had a 3D Plasma with multiple sets of glasses, and my friends would try it once, but it was like a novelty for them.

[bhampton]

I’m glad my system supports 3D but no one I know wants to watch anything in 3D.

I do like VR and have the PSVR and Oculus Go but I would not use either for a full hour.

It will be interesting to see how well Apple does with the Vision Pro.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Better in Blu

Hence the reason 3D is basically gone. No one wants to wear bulky glasses or headsets to watch a movie. I had a 3D Plasma with multiple sets of glasses, and my friends would try it once, but it was like a novelty for them.

... well, we do still watch the odd 3D movie together. We both loved the original Avatar and will definitely watch the sequel after my son muxes the ATMOS track from the 4K to the 3D video from the blu... if memory serves, my daughter and I shared a mouth agape moment watching Friday the 13th in 3D...

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Scottie

In case anyone missed the keynote, here is a showcase of the future.

Introducing Apple Vision Pro - YouTube

Rich and broke rich people's plaything. Great concept as usual, but that price is beyond ridiculous. In my area sales tax is 10.25%, so it puts it at almost $4,000. GTFO with that noise. lol

[bhampton]

Looking more into the Apple Vision Pro, what I see is a race against time to market this before people realize they won't want it.

Will it be allowed on planes - I don't think so. Vr is not currently allowed on planes and that's where I would want it most.
Will it be used for computing - I don't think so ... MS Word with this is awkward.
Will it be used for porn - absolutely
Will it be bad for you eyes - absolutely
Will it be good for subjecting people to ads -absolutely

I have Apple everything - Mac Mini, Watch, ATV4K, iPhone, airpods and Apple One subscription. I'm pretty enthusiastic but I think the moment for VR has passed.

Spiderman's Multiverse is awesome
Facebook's Metaverse is a dud.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

I know that I'm in the minority on this thread about streaming's ability to one day catch up with current physical media quality, but I don't think I'll ever come around to the idea of watching a movie with a headset...

My most magical movie memories were introducing my kids to certain movies and looking over to sneak a peek at their faces at the critical reveal points...

I'll never forget those moments in movies like T2 and EMPIRE STRIKES BACK...I was so fortunate to experience these moments twice as they became age appropriate at different times.... more recently, when my daughter and I experience films together for the first time, there is nothing better than we both stop and look at each other on amazement when something unexpectedly cool happens up on the screen... I know, i know we're supposed to be focused on the movie... but those moments are pure magic... and would be totally lost if we were wearing our own individual headsets...

To your first point, it’s not that streaming can’t eventually match Blu-Ray and UHD for bit rates and lack of artefacts, it’s the desire to do so isn’t there. Data centres are under pressure to cut energy use, 4K and full HD is very doable at low bit rates due to new codecs and compression tech, large bit rates are not necessary for the masses who are perfectly happy with ‘watchable’, even when it comes to HD.
For streaming services, shaving bit rates is the priority, not the opposite. That’s not going to change in a world where excessive energy use is scrutinised. High bit rate 4K isn’t going to cut it, the target will be getting decent looking 4K in the single digits on a consistent basis with 720p HD now possible at former SD bit rates, acting as the basic offering across the board.

Your point about movie watching, this is not the endgame. I doubt even Apple think a pair of sexy ski goggles is the future of spatial computing and entertainment.
They want to learn and shape AR, eventually getting this tech in a pair of glasses. AR has the ability to lock computer generated objects in place, play a game of chess with a AR board and ultra realistic chess pieces, the tech will remember where you are at and position everything as it was when you left it, including the board if you had it on a table or floating in your living room.
That will apply to displays. Lock it to your wall and it will be there when you next walk into that room. Your whole family will be able to view that display and will be able to see each other clearly through the glasses.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Looking more into the Apple Vision Pro, what I see is a race against time to market this before people realize they won't want it.

Will it be allowed on planes - I don't think so. Vr is not currently allowed on planes and that's where I would want it most.
Will it be used for computing - I don't think so ... MS Word with this is awkward.
Will it be used for porn - absolutely
Will it be bad for you eyes - absolutely
Will it be good for subjecting people to ads -absolutely

I have Apple everything - Mac Mini, Watch, ATV4K, iPhone, airpods and Apple One subscription. I'm pretty enthusiastic but I think the moment for VR has passed.

Spiderman's Multiverse is awesome
Facebook's Metaverse is a dud.

It’s not VR Brian. It’s a mixed reality/Augmented reality headset for spatial computing and entertainment.
Apple is saying we will interact with apps and screens via touch and moving our eyes. It’s a whole new way of interacting that they see taking shape over the next decade. We are still thinking of current computer interactions.

Obviously, AR glasses would be allowed on planes. Floating 100 inch screen with discrete spatial audio. Too big? Go down to 50 inches.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Obviously, AR glasses would be allowed on planes. Floating 100 inch screen with discrete spatial audio. Too big? Go down to 50 inches.

Time will tell. I would love VR on a plane but I don’t think it’s currently allowed

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Rich and broke rich people's plaything. Great concept as usual, but that price is beyond ridiculous. In my area sales tax is 10.25%, so it puts it at almost $4,000. GTFO with that noise. lol

I might be getting one and I’m not rich!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

We both loved the original Avatar and will definitely watch the sequel after my son muxes the ATMOS track from the 4K to the 3D video from the blu

Do you know what tools he uses to do this?

I have used MKVToolNix to mux a couple of Blu-ray video and DVD audio together. I would like a tool where I could see if the lip sync was correct before muxing.

[Warm Gun]

You would just compare frames in your media player of choice. MPC has a high precision option if you right-click on the timer. To make it easier, pick a frame immediately before transition to another shot.



4794
-3160
=1634 milliseconds

BD audio needs a -1634 ms delay. Obviously, you wanna check once near the beginning of the movie and once near the end to make sure it's consistent.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bhampton

My dedicated HT also has a 7.2.4 ATMOS speaker setup with room correction and sound treatments of course.

Have you had a chance to check out several immersive audio movie titles yet? Top immersive favorites?

Rebecca Ferguson - PBS had a three part Wild Scandinavia and she did the narration.

[bhampton]

Everything is better because even 7.1 mixes are better now that the surrounds are lower and i have the rear speakers.

I have a lot of music related Blu Rays like from Pink Floyd, David Gilmour, ect .. and the 5.1 music mixes are greatly improved by the new speaker placement. I also played some Taylor Swift for my daughter in ATMOS on Apple Music.

I really enjoyed Dungeons and Dragons and Kubo and the Two Strings

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Have you had a chance to check out several immersive audio movie titles yet? Top immersive favorites?

Rebecca Ferguson - PBS had a three part Wild Scandinavia and she did the narration.

If I can hijack your question, so far, my most immersive audio titles would be as follows:-

Old:
Highlight: clever use of surrounds with channels complimenting the camera’s swooping, sweeping and freezing with directional travel of ambient sound while the children play Tag.

Top Gun: Maverick
Highlight: Any cockpit dogfight or exercise, although the whole film is standout.

Matrix:Resurrections
Highlight: dive bombing, high rise swarms and bike escape. Enough said

Dr Sleep (recently mentioned)
The true knot shootout but so many other high points too.

Many other contenders, but that’s what springs to mind.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

You would just compare frames in your media player of choice. MPC has a high precision option if you right-click on the timer. To make it easier, pick a frame immediately before transition to another shot.

Not sure what the last 3 digits mean. For a very long time for me, Time Code has been HH:MM:SS:FF (hours, minutes, seconds and frames). Our Ampex AVR-1 (below) used neon nixie tubes to display tape time or time code.

My VideoReDo software will open a MKV of a Blu-ray or DVD, have not tried a MKV of a UHD Blu-ray. It displays time code as usual.

Intend to checkout Kdenlive.

[Show spoiler]

[Warm Gun]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Not sure what the last 3 digits mean. For a very long time for me, Time Code has been HH:MM:SS:FF (hours, minutes, seconds and frames). Our Ampex AVR-1 (below) used neon nixie tubes to display tape time or time code.

My VideoReDo software will open a MKV of a Blu-ray or DVD, have not tried a MKV of a UHD Blu-ray. It displays time code as usual.

Intend to checkout Kdenlive.

[Show spoiler]

Wha...? It's all milliseconds. That timer at the bottom of my media player is HH:MM:SS:MS. I don't measure frames when I'm muxing with delays in MKVToolNix. When I said frames, I only meant finding the same picture in each version of the movie by frame-stepping with Ctrl + Left/Right and then subtracting one timecode from the other, not which numbered frame of the movie it is.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

I know, i know we're supposed to be focused on the movie... but those moments are pure magic... and would be totally lost if we were wearing our own individual headsets...

Not necessarily.

Consider a future where new 180-degree 3D Avatar, Star Wars, Pixar, Marvel, Dune or LotR franchise offerings are created from the ground up in 8K & Spatial Audio, and watchers, regardless of their location, can not just look, but interact with each other using FaceTime SharePlay.

The great thing about the future is the wealth of opportunities to experience something new and create lasting memories with those you love.