Hellraiser: Bloodline - Blu-ray Forum

McCrutchy · 12-06-2013, 06:57 AM

Confirmation:

This Blu-ray Disc is region-free. There is no 1080/50i or PAL content anywhere on the disc.

This is a solid encode of a problematic master, which was quite obviously done from a film print source, as cue blips come up at regular intervals. The Dimension Films logo is present on the film, and I would not be surprised if the image content is more or less identical to the US BD from Echo Bridge.

The audio plays as 5.1, but again, I would not be surprised if this were simply a slightly enhanced 2.0 mix. The surround activity is practically non-existent.

One oddity: The film ends a few seconds early, with the music cutting off and the final end credits not completing their scroll up the screen. There is then a black screen before the viewer is taken back to the animated menu. This makes me suspect that this error is present in the Miramax master and not the fault of Umbrella.

Umbrella does include a 4:3 trailer (1:31), presented in 1080p23.976. And when you return to the main menu after the film finishes, a small box with the disc production credits appears, which does not seem to be accessible in any other fashion.

If you like the film, this is probably the best version on sale now worldwide, but wait for it to go on sale.

Code:

                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
01002.MPLS                                                      AVC     1:24:57 21,568,499,712  22,051,867,663  33.85   29.99   DTS-HD Master 5.1 2133Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

Code:

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Hellraiser IV
Disc Size:      22,051,867,663 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   01002.MPLS
Length:                 1:24:57.759 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   21,568,499,712 bytes
Total Bitrate:          33.85 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        29991 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         2133 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2133 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
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00004.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:24:57.759     21,568,499,712  33,848          

CHAPTERS:

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3               0:10:30.004     0:08:19.624     29,747 kbps     39,317 kbps     00:16:51.385    37,182 kbps     00:17:35.012    36,897 kbps     00:16:42.459    155,088 bytes   373,271 bytes   00:17:23.083    
4               0:18:49.628     0:06:12.330     30,142 kbps     41,515 kbps     00:23:21.942    37,063 kbps     00:19:49.897    36,982 kbps     00:19:49.897    157,146 bytes   333,663 bytes   00:23:22.943    
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6               0:31:04.988     0:06:34.977     31,412 kbps     40,464 kbps     00:36:28.102    37,290 kbps     00:36:03.661    36,962 kbps     00:35:58.656    163,767 bytes   334,223 bytes   00:37:08.976    
7               0:37:39.966     0:12:04.473     32,365 kbps     42,732 kbps     00:44:10.439    37,097 kbps     00:46:25.949    36,840 kbps     00:40:43.149    168,737 bytes   323,124 bytes   00:38:40.526    
8               0:49:44.439     0:03:29.500     33,207 kbps     39,277 kbps     00:51:52.442    36,996 kbps     00:50:05.919    36,842 kbps     00:50:00.956    173,126 bytes   306,037 bytes   00:49:57.035    
9               0:53:13.940     0:05:39.422     30,883 kbps     41,906 kbps     00:56:57.122    37,319 kbps     00:57:02.335    36,839 kbps     00:57:00.500    161,011 bytes   317,352 bytes   00:56:54.661    
10              0:58:53.363     0:03:21.576     32,375 kbps     40,384 kbps     01:02:06.180    37,234 kbps     01:02:06.973    36,899 kbps     01:02:03.886    168,786 bytes   441,657 bytes   01:01:02.742    
11              1:02:14.939     0:06:43.694     29,478 kbps     39,735 kbps     01:06:22.311    34,233 kbps     01:02:19.569    34,036 kbps     01:02:19.485    153,683 bytes   389,243 bytes   01:04:59.896    
12              1:08:58.634     0:11:30.981     32,249 kbps     42,066 kbps     01:20:12.140    37,182 kbps     01:19:54.581    36,937 kbps     01:19:32.476    168,132 bytes   368,023 bytes   01:19:28.638    
13              1:20:29.616     0:04:21.970     8,616 kbps      13,655 kbps     01:23:06.022    13,005 kbps     01:23:05.897    12,455 kbps     01:23:04.479    44,919 bytes    174,493 bytes   01:24:47.373    
14              1:24:51.586     0:00:06.172     4,522 kbps      6,558 kbps      01:24:51.586    4,720 kbps      01:24:51.586    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    23,736 bytes    192,876 bytes   01:24:57.717    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00004.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     5097.593                29,992                  19,110,937,271  103,935,027     
00004.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           5097.593                2,133                   1,359,146,180   8,174,336

Supernaut · 12-06-2013, 09:09 AM

It was 10 bucks this week at JB's sale.

LordCrumb · 12-06-2013, 09:34 AM

Cheers for the disc break down McCrutchy!

Cevolution · 12-06-2013, 09:42 AM

When there was duplicates for this the wrong one must have been deleted, because I already input all the specs for it in the database.

LordCrumb · 12-29-2013, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

[Show spoiler]

The audio plays as 5.1, but again, I would not be surprised if this were simply a slightly enhanced 2.0 mix. The surround activity is practically non-existent.

One oddity: The film ends a few seconds early, with the music cutting off and the final end credits not completing their scroll up the screen. There is then a black screen before the viewer is taken back to the animated menu. This makes me suspect that this error is present in the Miramax master and not the fault of Umbrella.

[Show spoiler]

Umbrella does include a 4:3 trailer (1:31), presented in 1080p23.976. And when you return to the main menu after the film finishes, a small box with the disc production credits appears, which does not seem to be accessible in any other fashion.

If you like the film, this is probably the best version on sale now worldwide, but wait for it to go on sale.

Code:

                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
01002.MPLS                                                      AVC     1:24:57 21,568,499,712  22,051,867,663  33.85   29.99   DTS-HD Master 5.1 2133Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

Code:

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Hellraiser IV
Disc Size:      22,051,867,663 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   01002.MPLS
Length:                 1:24:57.759 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   21,568,499,712 bytes
Total Bitrate:          33.85 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        29991 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         2133 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2133 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00004.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:24:57.759     21,568,499,712  33,848          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
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1               0:00:00.000     0:05:47.013     27,521 kbps     38,914 kbps     00:03:08.313    34,618 kbps     00:03:25.455    33,273 kbps     00:03:20.116    143,464 bytes   363,781 bytes   00:05:06.055    
2               0:05:47.013     0:04:42.991     30,005 kbps     38,447 kbps     00:08:31.302    37,212 kbps     00:08:27.381    36,971 kbps     00:08:22.293    156,433 bytes   308,718 bytes   00:08:57.787    
3               0:10:30.004     0:08:19.624     29,747 kbps     39,317 kbps     00:16:51.385    37,182 kbps     00:17:35.012    36,897 kbps     00:16:42.459    155,088 bytes   373,271 bytes   00:17:23.083    
4               0:18:49.628     0:06:12.330     30,142 kbps     41,515 kbps     00:23:21.942    37,063 kbps     00:19:49.897    36,982 kbps     00:19:49.897    157,146 bytes   333,663 bytes   00:23:22.943    
5               0:25:01.958     0:06:03.029     34,357 kbps     41,619 kbps     00:30:52.517    37,498 kbps     00:30:30.537    37,045 kbps     00:30:25.365    179,120 bytes   379,496 bytes   00:30:39.671    
6               0:31:04.988     0:06:34.977     31,412 kbps     40,464 kbps     00:36:28.102    37,290 kbps     00:36:03.661    36,962 kbps     00:35:58.656    163,767 bytes   334,223 bytes   00:37:08.976    
7               0:37:39.966     0:12:04.473     32,365 kbps     42,732 kbps     00:44:10.439    37,097 kbps     00:46:25.949    36,840 kbps     00:40:43.149    168,737 bytes   323,124 bytes   00:38:40.526    
8               0:49:44.439     0:03:29.500     33,207 kbps     39,277 kbps     00:51:52.442    36,996 kbps     00:50:05.919    36,842 kbps     00:50:00.956    173,126 bytes   306,037 bytes   00:49:57.035    
9               0:53:13.940     0:05:39.422     30,883 kbps     41,906 kbps     00:56:57.122    37,319 kbps     00:57:02.335    36,839 kbps     00:57:00.500    161,011 bytes   317,352 bytes   00:56:54.661    
10              0:58:53.363     0:03:21.576     32,375 kbps     40,384 kbps     01:02:06.180    37,234 kbps     01:02:06.973    36,899 kbps     01:02:03.886    168,786 bytes   441,657 bytes   01:01:02.742    
11              1:02:14.939     0:06:43.694     29,478 kbps     39,735 kbps     01:06:22.311    34,233 kbps     01:02:19.569    34,036 kbps     01:02:19.485    153,683 bytes   389,243 bytes   01:04:59.896    
12              1:08:58.634     0:11:30.981     32,249 kbps     42,066 kbps     01:20:12.140    37,182 kbps     01:19:54.581    36,937 kbps     01:19:32.476    168,132 bytes   368,023 bytes   01:19:28.638    
13              1:20:29.616     0:04:21.970     8,616 kbps      13,655 kbps     01:23:06.022    13,005 kbps     01:23:05.897    12,455 kbps     01:23:04.479    44,919 bytes    174,493 bytes   01:24:47.373    
14              1:24:51.586     0:00:06.172     4,522 kbps      6,558 kbps      01:24:51.586    4,720 kbps      01:24:51.586    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    23,736 bytes    192,876 bytes   01:24:57.717    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00004.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     5097.593                29,992                  19,110,937,271  103,935,027     
00004.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           5097.593                2,133                   1,359,146,180   8,174,336

I found there to be quite a lot of sound from the surround speakers, and the majority of it did sound like a genuine surround track, and not just a duplicated front left/right track.

I quickly chucked in my old Dimension US DVD, and it doesn't suddenly jump into the credits like the Blu-Ray, so it must have used a different master.

KenHurd · 01-08-2014, 04:32 PM

Where is a good place to order this from that ships to the U.S.?

LordCrumb · 01-08-2014, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KenHurd

Where is a good place to order this from that ships to the U.S.?

On special right now:

http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/dvd/d...blu-ray/690298

KenHurd · 01-08-2014, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordCrumb

On special right now:

http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/dvd/d...blu-ray/690298

Thanks!

KenHurd · 01-13-2014, 01:51 PM

How long does it normally take for an order to ship from JB? I ordered it on the 9th, and the status still says "In Progress." Also, for any of you living in the U.S., once it does ship how long did it take to arrive? I only saw one shipping option.

superbura9 · 08-12-2014, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Confirmation:

This Blu-ray Disc is region-free. There is no 1080/50i or PAL content anywhere on the disc.

This is a solid encode of a problematic master, which was quite obviously done from a film print source, as cue blips come up at regular intervals. The Dimension Films logo is present on the film, and I would not be surprised if the image content is more or less identical to the US BD from Echo Bridge.

The audio plays as 5.1, but again, I would not be surprised if this were simply a slightly enhanced 2.0 mix. The surround activity is practically non-existent.

One oddity: The film ends a few seconds early, with the music cutting off and the final end credits not completing their scroll up the screen. There is then a black screen before the viewer is taken back to the animated menu. This makes me suspect that this error is present in the Miramax master and not the fault of Umbrella.

Umbrella does include a 4:3 trailer (1:31), presented in 1080p23.976. And when you return to the main menu after the film finishes, a small box with the disc production credits appears, which does not seem to be accessible in any other fashion.

If you like the film, this is probably the best version on sale now worldwide, but wait for it to go on sale.

Have you had a chance to compare this to the Japanese version to see which one is the best quality in terms of compression and bitrate? Thank you

McCrutchy · 08-13-2014, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordCrumb

I found there to be quite a lot of sound from the surround speakers, and the majority of it did sound like a genuine surround track, and not just a duplicated front left/right track.

I quickly chucked in my old Dimension US DVD, and it doesn't suddenly jump into the credits like the Blu-Ray, so it must have used a different master.

Hi LordCrumb,

I must have missed your post before. When I have some time, I will re-check my copy, but I do not recall being very impressed with it. To be sure, it is 5.1 channels, but I did not think it was particularly effective.

Quote:

Originally Posted by superbura9

Have you had a chance to compare this to the Japanese version to see which one is the best quality in terms of compression and bitrate? Thank you

No, the Japanese release is also a BD-25, and only includes an LPCM 2.0 track. It's also quite expensive, so it's not worth the cost of comparing.

Get the Umbrella BD.

superbura9 · 08-14-2014, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Hi LordCrumb,

I must have missed your post before. When I have some time, I will re-check my copy, but I do not recall being very impressed with it. To be sure, it is 5.1 channels, but I did not think it was particularly effective.

No, the Japanese release is also a BD-25, and only includes an LPCM 2.0 track. It's also quite expensive, so it's not worth the cost of comparing.

Get the Umbrella BD.

Yeah, mate. I just jumped the wagon and bought the Hellraiser parts II, III and IV directly from Umbrella's site as they seem to have a sale going on. They are $10 Australian dollars per disc, that's about 50-80% cheaper than other online retailers in Australia are selling these titles for.

I've been reading through the forums here trying to find the best possible worldwide versions of these (seeing that I've got the Anchor Bay version of the first film which is possibly the best worldwide version).

Hoping the interlaced part III from Umbrella will still yield the best picture quality seeing that several members here say it's the same master as the Japanese disc and that one is regarded as the best transfer so far.

I do have the uncut Austrian steelbook with the first three films but was not particularly impressed with the image quality on parts II and III on that one and have been trying to find better versions since.

Do you also own part II and III from Umbrella, being able to confirm the transfer quality on those discs? Thank you!

Pat_Rock · 10-26-2014, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superbura9

Yeah, mate. I just jumped the wagon and bought the Hellraiser parts II, III and IV directly from Umbrella's site as they seem to have a sale going on. They are $10 Australian dollars per disc, that's about 50-80% cheaper than other online retailers in Australia are selling these titles for.

I do have the uncut Austrian steelbook with the first three films but was not particularly impressed with the image quality on parts II and III on that one and have been trying to find better versions since.

so how does the Austrian steelbook compare to the Umbrella releases then?

polterclown · 12-19-2014, 01:39 AM

is this the uncut version ? here in Belgium they released a cut version where for example u dont see "the blending of the twins"

Alister_M · 01-19-2017, 06:02 AM

The Umbrella version has literally the worst film artefacts I've ever seen on a BD. The only thing I can think of that's worse is Siren's old DVD of City Of The Living Dead.

ghidorah · 01-20-2017, 11:47 PM

I think im right in saying that the US disc doesn't even have the soundtrack in stereo nevermind 5.1. A film like this needs the audio to be up to scratch as well.

romadelic · 03-28-2019, 08:57 AM

Is there any chance to order this Australian Blu-ray of "Hellraiser IV: Bloodline"? Was looking at Amazon, ebay and couldn't find it.

Mobe1969 · 03-28-2019, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by romadelic

Is there any chance to order this Australian Blu-ray of "Hellraiser IV: Bloodline"? Was looking at Amazon, ebay and couldn't find it.

Only used, at cex

romadelic · 03-28-2019, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

Only used, at cex

Sorry, what "cex" is?

Mobe1969 · 03-28-2019, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by romadelic

Sorry, what "cex" is?

Sorry.

https://au.webuy.com/product-detail/...dline-%2818%29

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12-06-2013, 09:09 AM	#2
Supernaut Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2010 Home Theater Gallery:15 Blu-ray collection:3270 Trading Score:42	It was 10 bucks this week at JB's sale.

12-06-2013, 09:34 AM	#3
LordCrumb Moderator Top contributor Member since:May 2009 Location:New Zealand Home Theater Gallery:4 4K collection:378 Blu-ray collection:2965 DVD collection:109 Blu-ray reviews: 12 Trading Score:67	Cheers for the disc break down McCrutchy!

12-06-2013, 09:42 AM	#4
Cevolution Banned Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Nov 2010 Location:Sydney, Australia Home Theater Gallery:23 4K collection:668 Blu-ray collection:3104 Trading Score:8	When there was duplicates for this the wrong one must have been deleted, because I already input all the specs for it in the database.

01-08-2014, 04:32 PM	#6
KenHurd Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:May 2008 4K collection:530 Blu-ray collection:2440 DVD collection:435 MA collection:1248 Digital collection:2205 iTunes collection:681 Prime collection:88 Trading Score:7	Where is a good place to order this from that ships to the U.S.?

01-13-2014, 01:51 PM	#9
KenHurd Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:May 2008 4K collection:530 Blu-ray collection:2440 DVD collection:435 MA collection:1248 Digital collection:2205 iTunes collection:681 Prime collection:88 Trading Score:7	How long does it normally take for an order to ship from JB? I ordered it on the 9th, and the status still says "In Progress." Also, for any of you living in the U.S., once it does ship how long did it take to arrive? I only saw one shipping option.

12-19-2014, 01:39 AM	#14
polterclown Active Member Member since:Sep 2014 Location:Belgium Trading Score:2	is this the uncut version ? here in Belgium they released a cut version where for example u dont see "the blending of the twins"

01-19-2017, 06:02 AM	#15
Alister_M Blu-ray Grand Duke Top contributor Member since:Feb 2016 4K collection:247 Blu-ray collection:1705 DVD collection:20 Blu-ray reviews:15 Trading Score:5	The Umbrella version has literally the worst film artefacts I've ever seen on a BD. The only thing I can think of that's worse is Siren's old DVD of City Of The Living Dead.

01-20-2017, 11:47 PM	#16
ghidorah Senior Member Member since:Nov 2007	I think im right in saying that the US disc doesn't even have the soundtrack in stereo nevermind 5.1. A film like this needs the audio to be up to scratch as well.

03-28-2019, 08:57 AM	#17
romadelic New Member Member since:Mar 2015	Is there any chance to order this Australian Blu-ray of "Hellraiser IV: Bloodline"? Was looking at Amazon, ebay and couldn't find it.

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