Do Not Discuss the removal of Protected BD files here

[prerich]

For future reference, and to avoid any misunderstandings... Do not, discuss the removal of protected BD files in this or any other forum on Blu-ray.com. This site is for the discussion of using this media in its intended format (i.e Blu-ray disc). Discussions that try to circumvent the normal use of the Commercial BD format will be viewed as possible or probable piracy attempts with warnings and or bannings being given. I will personally close all threads (if another mod doesn't see it first) that indicate this type of activity! This warning is for all users of this site.

Prerich

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by prerich

For future reference, and to avoid any misunderstandings... Do not, discuss the removal of protected BD files in this or any other forum on Blu-ray.com. This site is for the discussion of using this media in its intended format (i.e Blu-ray disc). Discussions that try to circumvent the normal use of the Commercial BD format will be viewed as possible or probable piracy attempts with warnings and or bannings being given. I will personally close all threads (if another mod doesn't see it first) that indicate this type of activity! This warning is for all users of this site.

Prerich

[dadkins]

Thanks prerich!

[Nathan P]

Originally Posted by prerich

For future reference, and to avoid any misunderstandings... Do not, discuss the removal of protected BD files in this or any other forum on Blu-ray.com. This site is for the discussion of using this media in its intended format (i.e Blu-ray disc). Discussions that try to circumvent the normal use of the Commercial BD format will be viewed as possible or probable piracy attempts with warnings and or bannings being given. I will personally close all threads (if another mod doesn't see it first) that indicate this type of activity! This warning is for all users of this site.

Prerich

Is it possible to make this a sticky at the main forum level?? i.e at the main screen as opposed to just on this sub forum otherwise i can forsee that the mods may be busy -especially as number of ripping questions seems to be on the rise

[neos_peace]

what are we talking about I'm clueless

[Rovic]

Originally Posted by neos_peace

what are we talking about I'm clueless

Any sort of trying to get a movie from a bd disk to a hard drive or some sort of hard disk...

[neos_peace]

Originally Posted by Rovic

Any sort of trying to get a movie from a bd disk to a hard drive or some sort of hard disk...

Y in GODS name would anyone want to do that thats y they came out with digital tranfers. isn't it?

[Ouji-San]

I wouldnt discuss this anyway..

takes freaking 20 hours when I tried it.. Dont have patience like that

Buy The Originals sure as hell worth it..

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Nathan P

Is it possible to make this a sticky at the main forum level?? i.e at the main screen as opposed to just on this sub forum otherwise i can forsee that the mods may be busy -especially as number of ripping questions seems to be on the rise

yeah ive noticed that too people talking about that and other stuff .... good warning

[lenco12]

Originally Posted by Nathan P

Is it possible to make this a sticky at the main forum level?? i.e at the main screen as opposed to just on this sub forum otherwise i can forsee that the mods may be busy -especially as number of ripping questions seems to be on the rise

what are we talking about I'm clueless

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by prerich

For future reference, and to avoid any misunderstandings... Do not, discuss the removal of protected BD files in this or any other forum on Blu-ray.com. This site is for the discussion of using this media in its intended format (i.e Blu-ray disc). Discussions that try to circumvent the normal use of the Commercial BD format will be viewed as possible or probable piracy attempts with warnings and or bannings being given. I will personally close all threads (if another mod doesn't see it first) that indicate this type of activity! This warning is for all users of this site.

Prerich

Your timing couldn't be more right as I've seen a surge in this type of discussion lately, and was wondering when one of the mods would come by and say something. I'm glad you did, Rich!

John

[azrieluk]

Oh come now are you really saying that if someone wants to copy a Blu-Ray that the only reasonable explanation is for reasons of piracy?

What about all those people with a Home Theatre PCs who simply want to copy the content onto their HD for the purposes of convenience and to remove the dependancy on a scratchable media and the cleanliness of an optical lense. It makes plenty of sense that people will want to place a copy on their HDD for the purposes of ease, convenience and reliablity. And as far as I am aware there is nothing illegal about it (as long as you do not remove the encryption) and you retain the original media.

To say that it will be "will be viewed as possible or probable piracy attempts" is tantamount to censorship.

Very disappointed in the capitulation to the mass hysteria of the public media and large corporate organisations. At the end of the day until someone copies a film and distributes/changes it, no law has been broken. Also talking about it is by definition not illegal, and when the subject matter is not in itself condoning or promoting the illegal aspects of how the practice can be miss-used, it seems somewhat over-reactive to sensor the discussions.

But it is your forum so you do as you see fit, just thought I'd share my views.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by azrieluk

Oh come now are you really saying that if someone wants to copy a Blu-Ray that the only reasonable explanation is for reasons of piracy?

What about all those people with a Home Theatre PCs who simply want to copy the content onto their HD for the purposes of convenience and to remove the dependancy on a scratchable media and the cleanliness of an optical lense. It makes plenty of sense that people will want to place a copy on their HDD for the purposes of ease, convenience and reliablity. And as far as I am aware there is nothing illegal about it (as long as you do not remove the encryption) and you retain the original media.

To say that it will be "will be viewed as possible or probable piracy attempts" is tantamount to censorship.

Very disappointed in the capitulation to the mass hysteria of the public media and large corporate organisations. At the end of the day until someone copies a film and distributes/changes it, no law has been broken. Also talking about it is by definition not illegal, and when the subject matter is not in itself condoning or promoting the illegal aspects of how the practice can be miss-used, it seems somewhat over-reactive to sensor the discussions.

But it is your forum so you do as you see fit, just thought I'd share my views.

That's why we moderate these forums - mods "censor" undesireable content on these forums. By definition now - any attempt to decrypt an encrypted media file - can be viewed as a piracy attempt - I work in IT and that's the way its currently viewed. As a moderator I will continue to censor discussions - thats my job. There are many other forums that will discuss those things. They are not allowed on this forum. Case closed.

Prerich

[Matthew1987]

Originally Posted by prerich

That's why we moderate these forums - mods "censor" undesireable content on these forums. By definition now - any attempt to decrypt an encrypted media file - can be viewed as a piracy attempt - I work in IT and that's the way its currently viewed. As a moderator I will continue to censor discussions - thats my job. There are many other forums that will discuss those things. They are not allowed on this forum. Case closed.

Prerich

This is completely ignoring azrieluk's point.

If you want, you can have this rule. But to say that all people who oppose Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) support piracy is completely wrong.

Here's a fact about DRM:

Although companies claim that the purpose of DRM is to prevent piracy, that's clearly not it's main purpose. The main purpose of DRM is to give companies control over and restrict the use and/or marketing of their products. DRM is routinely used in ways that in no way, shape, or form have anything to do with copyright.

Just two examples: DVD and Blu-ray discs use the no-fast-forward feature to force viewers to sit through advertisements. And Valve uses Steam to have complete control over and restrict the use and marketing of their products. There are MANY more examples, but I won't get into them right now.

DRM deprives customers of rights that the law would otherwise allow them. And DRM has always been cracked -- which has resulted in a world where the pirates can use the products without the unjust restrictions, but honest paying customers are forced to suffer from them.

DRM does NOT prevent piracy, and that's not it's main purpose. There are many people who strongly oppose DRM even though they strongly oppose piracy.

And no, I am NOT a supporter of piracy.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by Matthew1987

This is completely ignoring azrieluk's point.

If you want, you can have this rule. But to say that all people who oppose Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) support piracy is completely wrong.

Here's a fact about DRM:

Although companies claim that the purpose of DRM is to prevent piracy, that's clearly not it's main purpose. The main purpose of DRM is to give companies control over and restrict the use and/or marketing of their products. DRM is routinely used in ways that in no way, shape, or form have anything to do with copyright.

Just two examples: DVD and Blu-ray discs use the no-fast-forward feature to force viewers to sit through advertisements. And Valve uses Steam to have complete control over and restrict the use and marketing of their products. There are MANY more examples, but I won't get into them right now.

DRM deprives customers of rights that the law would otherwise allow them. And DRM has always been cracked -- which has resulted in a world where the pirates can use the products without the unjust restrictions, but honest paying customers are forced to suffer from them.

DRM does NOT prevent piracy, and that's not it's main purpose. There are many people who strongly oppose DRM even though they strongly oppose piracy.

And no, I am NOT a supporter of piracy.

This is A False Statement ~ I can fast forward or skip any preview on all my BD's

Id be real careful as well

[bigshot]

Removing DRM is not always illegal.

I operate a 501(c)(3) non-profit digital archive related to filmmaking. The Sonny Bono Copyright Extension Act has a provision where non-profit digital archives that provide their services to the public for free may copy and store and retrieve copyrighted material without cost or permission from the copyright holder.

For me, removing DRM for the purposes of providing an educational service to the public is completely legal.

[Matthew1987]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

This is A False Statement ~ I can fast forward or skip any preview on all my BD's

Id be real careful as well

That may be true of some movies, but I've heard that it's not true of all of them.

But anyway, that's actually perhaps the mildest thing that Blu-ray's DRM does. A far, far more serious thing that it does is, it makes it so that you CAN'T EVEN VIEW THE MOVIE DIGITALLY unless your video card, video connection, and monitor are ALL HDCP-compliant.

That is not trivial at all. HDCP is a proprietary specification, and implementing it requires a license from one particular company. Although most modern HDTVs are HDCP-compliant, almost no computer monitors or projectors are.

This is purely an artificially imposed restriction. All video connections in use today are capable of full 1080p resolution, and the digital ones have the same visual quality as HDMI. There is no legitimate reason whatsoever for users to need a special video connection, let alone a special video card, let alone a special monitor, to view digital full 1080p video with Blu-ray.

It is crazy of entertainment companies to do this. Even if HDCP were to stop piracy of high-definition videos, which it hasn't, have those companies ever considered how much money they will lose from people who won't buy Blu-ray products because they're made incompatible with their system by these artificially imposed restrictions?

From the point of view of copyright law, it makes no difference whether a video is in high definition or not. Either way, it's intellectual property. This has nothing to do with copyright enforcement; it's purely about catering to the wants of these incredibly greedy and selfish companies.

Consider the following fact: DVDs have sold just fine WITHOUT these draconian restrictions.

These companies claim that HDCP prevents piracy of high-definition videos. But what HDCP actually does is it makes it so that for many people, including me, the ONLY way that they can view high-definition videos IS to view them pirated.

HDCP is a spectacular victory for people who pirate videos. It ensures that for many people who want to view high-definition movies legally, the only way that they can view high-definition movies at all is to view them pirated.

HDCP is High-bandwidth Digital Content Prohibition.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Matthew1987

This is completely ignoring azrieluk's point.

If you want, you can have this rule. But to say that all people who oppose Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) support piracy is completely wrong.

Here's a fact about DRM:

Although companies claim that the purpose of DRM is to prevent piracy, that's clearly not it's main purpose. The main purpose of DRM is to give companies control over and restrict the use and/or marketing of their products. DRM is routinely used in ways that in no way, shape, or form have anything to do with copyright.

Just two examples: DVD and Blu-ray discs use the no-fast-forward feature to force viewers to sit through advertisements. And Valve uses Steam to have complete control over and restrict the use and marketing of their products. There are MANY more examples, but I won't get into them right now.

DRM deprives customers of rights that the law would otherwise allow them. And DRM has always been cracked -- which has resulted in a world where the pirates can use the products without the unjust restrictions, but honest paying customers are forced to suffer from them.

DRM does NOT prevent piracy, and that's not it's main purpose. There are many people who strongly oppose DRM even though they strongly oppose piracy.

And no, I am NOT a supporter of piracy.

I have no fight with people approving or disapproving of DRM.... no problem at all, but to actively discuss how to remove DRM is not allowed on this forum. It's the discussion on how to actively remove DRM that's not allowed on this forum. End of discussion.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by azrieluk

Oh come now are you really saying that if someone wants to copy a Blu-Ray that the only reasonable explanation is for reasons of piracy?

What about all those people with a Home Theatre PCs who simply want to copy the content onto their HD for the purposes of convenience and to remove the dependancy on a scratchable media and the cleanliness of an optical lense. It makes plenty of sense that people will want to place a copy on their HDD for the purposes of ease, convenience and reliablity. And as far as I am aware there is nothing illegal about it (as long as you do not remove the encryption) and you retain the original media.

To say that it will be "will be viewed as possible or probable piracy attempts" is tantamount to censorship.

Very disappointed in the capitulation to the mass hysteria of the public media and large corporate organisations. At the end of the day until someone copies a film and distributes/changes it, no law has been broken. Also talking about it is by definition not illegal, and when the subject matter is not in itself condoning or promoting the illegal aspects of how the practice can be miss-used, it seems somewhat over-reactive to sensor the discussions.

But it is your forum so you do as you see fit, just thought I'd share my views.

Yeah, that's just it- it's a privately-owned board. Couple things to keep in mind- this place gets a lot of nice press, insider visits, blu-rays to review, and the like all because of a positive image. If it were allowed to talk about such things (which are still in gray areas of legality, piracy or no) all of that could go away. Seems like it should be pretty easy to understand.

[Uniquely]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Yeah, that's just it- it's a privately-owned board. Couple things to keep in mind- this place gets a lot of nice press, insider visits, blu-rays to review, and the like all because of a positive image. If it were allowed to talk about such things (which are still in gray areas of legality, piracy or no) all of that could go away. Seems like it should be pretty easy to understand.

It's just good policy. In the US anyway, it is illegal to circumvent the copyright protection that exists on Blu-Rays and DVD's. There is the possibility, however slim it may be, that a website that hosts or links information/tutorials/helpful software about how to do it COULD be held legally liable.