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Old 08-25-2022, 10:42 PM   #1001
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Studio Canal is its own company in Europe.

MGM has a Hong Kong branch.

They are seperate companies from Universal. Surely you can understand this?
You didnít read what i said i said is universal the reason they couldnít try to work out a deal with those two studios to get the footage.
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Old 08-25-2022, 10:44 PM   #1002
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You didnít read what i said i said is universal the reason they couldnít try to work out a deal with those two studios to get the footage.
And you didnít read that Studio Canal and MGM both refused to give Scream Factory access to their elements.
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Old 08-25-2022, 11:38 PM   #1003
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And you didnít read that Studio Canal and MGM both refused to give Scream Factory access to their elements.
Could they have done a composite from the new scan and the scan they did of the IP or whatever used for the prior edition?
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Old 08-25-2022, 11:53 PM   #1004
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Could they have done a composite from the new scan and the scan they did of the IP or whatever used for the prior edition?
They probably could have if time and money were no object, but like any boutique label, they have to weigh the cost and benefits against each other. So each label is going to make different decisions regarding that sort of thing.

Conforming from different sources is a lot of work, and we'll complain if there's so much as a frame out of place. I can't say I blame SF for passing on that this time.
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Old 08-25-2022, 11:53 PM   #1005
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And you didn’t read that Studio Canal and MGM both refused to give Scream Factory access to their elements.
Why is that though? I mean they both work with Shout. Is this some kind of dispute between the parties that left one in the red somehow when AOD was released theateically?
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Old 08-26-2022, 12:02 AM   #1006
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Why is that though? I mean they both work with Shout. Is this some kind of dispute between the parties that left one in the red somehow when AOD was released theateically?
Studio Canal like Sony usually wants to make their own 4K HDR/DV masters.

MGM Hong Kong has been stingy with the elements they own. Anchor Bay was not aware film elements existed because MGM stayed silent when AB looked for them. Then they released their own disc. Studio Canal licensed this from them and only got an SD master. Scream was provided an HD master but couldn’t alter it.
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Old 08-26-2022, 12:20 AM   #1007
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It seems like it would have worked to do the international cut in UHD, since that was remastered in 4K as well, just from the interpositive. Either make a 4K disc from that source or go the extra mile and do the reverse of the Blu-ray release, using the new remaster except for the exclusive footage.

But that could be wrong, maybe they only have the digital 1080p sdr master of that scan and couldnít do it. And the directors cut is definitely out, since that was clearly sourced from an older HD master.
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Old 08-26-2022, 12:22 AM   #1008
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But that could be wrong, maybe they only have the digital 1080p sdr master of that scan and couldnít do it. And the directors cut is definitely out, since that was clearly sourced from an older HD master.
Thatís exactly what happened
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Old 08-26-2022, 12:36 AM   #1009
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That "older HD master" of the Director's Cut came from a 35mm film source, though. Probably an InterPositive. MGM seems to have it, so they could do a new 4K scan from it.

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Old 08-26-2022, 01:05 AM   #1010
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I got the Scream blu, haven't seen the movie since 1996.... Seems that either the director's cut or International cut is the best version?

There doesn't seem to be a big reason to get this release.
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Old 08-26-2022, 01:37 AM   #1011
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I got the Scream blu, haven't seen the movie since 1996.... Seems that either the director's cut or International cut is the best version?

There doesn't seem to be a big reason to get this release.
i prefer directors cut but the theatrical ending is wayyyyyyyy better
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Old 08-26-2022, 01:58 AM   #1012
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I got the Scream blu, haven't seen the movie since 1996.... Seems that either the director's cut or International cut is the best version?

There doesn't seem to be a big reason to get this release.
Definitely a matter of opinion. I don't agree with either of those being the best version. Looking forward to this release, though of course I'd have preferred the other cuts getting the upgrade, too.
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Old 08-26-2022, 02:24 AM   #1013
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And you didn’t read that Studio Canal and MGM both refused to give Scream Factory access to their elements.
So no money offer or something would have swayed them?
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Old 08-26-2022, 02:59 AM   #1014
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That "older HD master" of the Director's Cut came from a 35mm film source, though. Probably an InterPositive. MGM seems to have it, so they could do a new 4K scan from it.

Chris
Oh yeah, Iím sure they could. Iím not sure what they have but HD transfers were typically from an interpositive back in the day so thatís probably what theyíre sitting on.

The current HD transfer Scream used is definitely in rougher shape than the 4K master used for the other versions. Itís actually not bad, it was like watching a print at an indie theater or something. Plus before the Blu-ray I only had seen that Anchor Bay DVD which spliced in really low res footage that was distracting even back on a 27Ē tube TV.

A new 4K transfer would have been nice though. Eh well.
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Old 08-26-2022, 03:24 AM   #1015
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Same but just tossing the theatrical cut on a 4K disc without any other cuts or an Atmos track is just lazy. If they couldn't get the rights to the other cut they should have just sold the theatrical separately on 4K and cut the price.
I have an atmos setup but I'm trying to figure out what you think Atmos would add to AoD. Some films don't need object based high speakers.
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Old 08-26-2022, 04:38 AM   #1016
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Given that Ash vs the Evil Dead solidified the theatrical cut in being the definitive version of the film, I guess I can't be angry that is the only one to get the 4K treatment. It is disappointing though. Still, since I never bought their previous release, it's not like I'm losing out by buying this. IN fact, the last time I bought Army of Darkness was on HD-DVD, so yeah, I think it's time to upgrade.
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Old 08-26-2022, 04:45 AM   #1017
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IN fact, the last time I bought Army of Darkness was on HD-DVD, so yeah, I think it's time to upgrade.
I honestly have lost track of how many times I have bought this film. I can't believe I'm doing it again...
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Old 08-26-2022, 04:46 AM   #1018
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Army of Darkness is Universal in the US, while MGM owns international rights (through the partial Dino Di Laurentiis catalog they own from the Nelson/Orion units). Optimum (now part of StudioCanal) only distributed that old UK BD under license from MGM.

MGM has an IP for the international cut and was what Shout scanned in 4k. They also used that element to construct the theatrical and directors cut transfers, with footage interspersed from the old HD masters of the former two. Shout at the time couldn't do a new scan of the OCN (which is confirmed to the theatrical cut) due to Raimi's tight schedule.

The directors cut IIRC came from a 35mm element Sam Raimi complied from a print of the international cut and all sorts of surviving trimmed footage.
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Old 08-26-2022, 05:24 AM   #1019
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Is the 2.0 confirmed to be the original stereo mix?
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Old 08-26-2022, 09:14 PM   #1020
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this one, that you can buy today on Prime shipping for $15? I'd call that in circulation.
Oh yeah? Try looking up the UHD of ALIEN and say the same thing about 'The Director's Cut'. And I didn't say those cuts weren't in circulation. I said they should be kept in circulation. i.e. If ALIENS gets a 4K UHD release, I hope the Special Edition gets equal treatment as the theatrical version does.
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