Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Rocket Richard

So by your own logic anyone who buys digital movies, but do not own a Physical copy, then it's Piracy!

Each sale of the title means one person at a time can possess a copy. With physical whoever possess the disc is entitled to the content on it, you can make copies for yourself (as long as you aren't breaking DRM) but you can't give those copies to others nor can you sell the disc and retain the copies. If you buy a digital version than you are entitled to the content but you can't copy it and give it to others.

Whoever owns the rights to the content can make as many copies as they want and sell them to as many people as they want. This includes both digital and physical. But everyone else can't make copies for others or keep copies of titles that they sell or give away.

With your example of buying a CD, ripping it, and selling it just imagine that on a large scale. One person buys the CD, rips it, and sells it. The next person does the same, and the person after that and after that all the way up to a thousand people. Now a thousand people have copies of the CD yet the record company only got one sale. Does that not sound like piracy?

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Fiffy

Grain reproduction, color and contrast range, chroma resolution etc. pp.
Who defines "close"? And why is Blu-ray "close" and, say, a Netflix UHD stream isn't?
Sure they are. For example Sony's UHD downloads.
Film restoration didn't start with Blu-ray and it won't end with Blu-ray.

They will when done correctly be almost identical if not better than the original in all areas of grain reproduction colour and contrast.

Easily quantifiable and prove.

Your not taking into account the restorations done specifically for the Blu Ray format by companies such as Arrow, Criterion, Moc, Synapse and many more.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Rocket Richard

You can already watch stuff on Netflix and other sites in 4K. Are you telling me that same show is going to look better on a Blu-ray disc ?

The future is already here, and digital steaming/downloading PQ will only get better, right?

Right? Wrong Dick! With data caps (they are happening) the target will be SD or HD at the very lowest bit-rate. A family will struggle to stay under their data allowance so SD or HD lite (basically normal Digital) will be the order of the day.
Of course, none of it matters when you are squinting at the latest iPhone or galaxy.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys don't think it's a Step Up, but we HD Digitals think it's the Next Step!

It's a backwards step. Every new format has been a progressive one until now. It's the selfie, snapchat, "look at me I am wearing new shoes, I want my only way is Essex now!, I can't live without my phone, aren't I beautiful?, I have a view on everything, even stuff I find boring, movies are so dull no explosions 2 minutes in, wait I haven't updated my status in two minutes, who needs food?" generation that has started the rot.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Rocket Richard

Yes. In your world SteepHeels!

It will happen. If executives are talking about it and bringing it up two years in succession, it will happen. Cheap as chips remember Dick?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Rocket Richard

You can already watch stuff on Netflix and other sites in 4K. Are you telling me that same show is going to look better on a Blu-ray disc ?

The future is already here, and digital steaming/downloading PQ will only get better, right?

Of course it looks better. No one can dispute that.

[knight17]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Of course it looks better. No one can dispute that.

4K streamed content needs to be compared with UHD (4K) Blu ray Discs and there is no comparison whatsoever, UHD Bluray will win hands down.

1080p streamed content needs to be compared with normal Blu ray.

Streaming will never be better than a properly encoded Blu ray or UHD Blu ray for that matter.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys don't think it's a Step Up, but we HD Digitals think it's the Next Step!

To what?

Do you guys honestly think that the likes of netflix or any other company cares about or would ever comision work on the tranfer of a film , it simply would not be worth it.

As for 4k might look better (with artefacts though) will it look better than 4k blu ray hell no.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by knight17

4K streamed content needs to be compared with UHD (4K) Blu ray Discs and there is no comparison whatsoever, UHD Bluray will win hands down.

1080p streamed content needs to be compared with normal Blu ray.

Streaming will never be better than a properly encoded Blu ray or UHD Blu ray for that matter.

Even the digital mob's golden child (HDX) Max bitrate is at least 10mbps less than Bluray.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It will happen. If executives are talking about it and bringing it up two years in succession, it will happen. Cheap as chips remember Dick?

Obviously I'm more on your side in this debate than I am with Richard or any other pro-digital individual.

That being said, you are WAY too hung up about this screen size issue.

If I recall correctly, it was just one article that mentioned one statement by one executive. That's hardly a sign that this is absolutely going to happen.

Heck, in some respects it already exists with SD, HD, and now UHD. If there is someone more inclined to watch content on a smaller screen like a phone or tablet, the SD version will look fine, where as if viewed on a large TV, the lack of resolution becomes are more noticeable. So those who buy digitally can opt for the resolution that works best for them, with the lower resolutions likely being cheaper than the higher ones.

I can't see a situation ever happening where someone buys content digitally and it's somehow programmed to only work on certain devices of a certain size, preventing it from being used on any other devices that fall outside of that size range. Even if it were possible to do that, the cost of the logistics to make it happen would likely far exceed the benefit that the studios would gain, and wouldn't be worth it for them.

[Rocket Richard]

Originally Posted by tiger_qc

On Blu-ray you OWN the show, shows on Netflix aren't there forever, I watched Nip/Tuck on Netflix about a year ago it's not there anymore.

I totally get why collectors want the physical copy in case something disappears, but as far as quality, digital has already caught up in 4K streaming.

Originally Posted by knight17

4K streamed content needs to be compared with UHD (4K) Blu ray Discs and there is no comparison whatsoever, UHD Bluray will win hands down.

1080p streamed content needs to be compared with normal Blu ray.

Streaming will never be better than a properly encoded Blu ray or UHD Blu ray for that matter.

Why do they have to be compared to your rules. I'm saying 4K streaming is better than Blu-ray, nothing else.

[Rocket Richard]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Of course it looks better. No one can dispute that.

Thank you HighHeels for finally agreeing with me!

[knight17]

Originally Posted by Rocket Richard

Why do they have to be compared to your rules. I'm saying 4K streaming is better than Blu-ray, nothing else.

They are not my rules. That manner of comparison is not a fair one.

It's like saying a PS4 is better than the original xbox when a PS4 should be compared with an XBOX One.

I will give another example. It is like saying a samsung galaxy s6 edge is better than a nokia 2360 and so on.

A proper comparison can only be made if what you are comparing are more or less similar to one another.

4K is 4 times the resolution of full hd (1920 x 1080) so you can see where the comparison goes off.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by Rocket Richard

Why do they have to be compared to your rules. I'm saying 4K streaming is better than Blu-ray, nothing else.

And UHD Blu-ray is superior to 4K streaming. So back to square one.

Also comparing apples to apples (1080p online services to 1080p Blu-ray, and 4K online services to UHD Blu-ray) is a fair and logical comparison, unlike comparing apples to oranges (1080p Blu-ray to 4K online services).

[Rocket Richard]

Nobody's disagreeing 4K steaming is not better than UHD, we Digital supporters are just saying the quality is already here and is better than Blu-ray, nothing else. But eventually this will change...

Digital is already, and will continue to be the leader in Cinema sales, whether you convert or not.

You are obviously smart enough to know that eventually a higher def movie will no longer fit on a disc, probably after UHD, unless they do something drastic and go to a UHD disc the size of a Laser Disc.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Rocket Richard

Nobody's disagreeing 4K steaming is not better than UHD, we Digital supporters are just saying the quality is already here and is better than Blu-ray, nothing else. But eventually this will change...

Digital is already, and will continue to be the leader in Cinema sales, whether you convert or not.

You are obviously smart enough to know that eventually a higher def movie will no longer fit on a disc, probably after UHD, unless they do something drastic and go to a UHD disc the size of a Laser Disc.

I will try this for the very last time........what is going to happen to older films being restored for the much superior physical formats.
Can you name one tv series or film that has been remasterd restored for digital??

[knight17]

Originally Posted by Rocket Richard

Nobody's disagreeing 4K steaming is not better than UHD, we Digital supporters are just saying the quality is already here and is better than Blu-ray, nothing else. But eventually this will change...

Digital is already, and will continue to be the leader in Cinema sales, whether you convert or not.

You are obviously smart enough to know that eventually a higher def movie will no longer fit on a disc, probably after UHD, unless they do something drastic and go to a UHD disc the size of a Laser Disc.

I am going to try this one last time and then give up.

4K = 3840 x 2160 = 8294400 pixels

Normal Blu ray (Full HD) = 1920 x 1080 = 2073600 pixels

From the above you can see that it's 4 times the resolution of Full HD.

Since you are comparing 4K Streaming services with that of Blu ray, the chance is that 4K streamed will be better as it is being compared to an inferior source.

What you should instead be doing is compare 4K Streaming with 4K UHD Bluray and then you can see that it is no match. This is the case with Full HD streaming and Blu ray as well.

[Rocket Richard]

Originally Posted by knight17

I am going to try this one last time and then give up.

What you should instead be doing is compare 4K Streaming with 4K UHD Bluray and then you can see that it is no match. This is the case with Full HD streaming and Blu ray as well.

I totally agree 4K UHD is better, nobody is disputing this.....again!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My friends 4K Netflix just looks amazing on his 4K TV, and he is not worried about Caps, or screen size, or other excuses. It totally blows away my Netflix on my beautiful TV.

You guys are just rehashing the same old excuses. Digital is already bigger and in the future it will be better.

Originally Posted by tele1962

I will try this for the very last time........what is going to happen to older films being restored for the much superior physical formats.
Can you name one tv series or film that has been remasterd restored for digital??

1 last time, I totally agree with you on this, my belief is digital PQ is the future, I am not talking about rare collectibles!

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Even the digital mob's golden child (HDX) Max bitrate is at least 10mbps less than Bluray.

If you have more Bandwidth, the BitRate for HDX goes up. The Average BitRate for Blu-ray is around 30Mbps, and HDX now with enough Bandwidth can go up to 20Mbps. In the near future I'm sure the BitRate will be up to Blu-ray Standards.

[Rocket Richard]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Even the digital mob's golden child (HDX) Max bitrate is at least 10mbps less than Bluray. .

Originally Posted by alchav21

If you have more Bandwidth, the BitRate for HDX goes up. The Average BitRate for Blu-ray is around 30Mbps, and HDX now with enough Bandwidth can go up to 20Mbps. In the near future I'm sure the BitRate will be up to Blu-ray Standards.

In the near future is the key words here folks, that's all were saying. Stop rehashing the same excuses....