New H.265 twice as efficient as H.264!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by vargo

I don't see any mention of x264

Actually they do under the Technology pane here

Produces fully H.264 compliant video

I noted sometime back to another member that eyeIO does not provide any proof of their claims on their site. I asked dr1394 (a.k.a. drmpeg), via a PM, if he knew anything about eyeIO and what he thought about their claims. Never got a response.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by vargo

Yes they certainly use some solutions supplied to them by eyeIO. Its non-exclusive, they encode every video 100+ times in various formats, resolutions etc, so they use dozens of tools and solutions.

For H.264 encoding they also use (or have used) vanilla x264 and Mainconcept.

ok, thanks for that.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Actually they do under the Technology pane here

Can you cut and paste the relevant sentence, I can't see it.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by vargo

I don't see any mention of x264, so if my belief is correct, they are not being any more transparent than Beamr...

Well, in the grand scheme of things that’s unimportant to me (whether it is or isn’t based upon the open source encoding library x264), never mind the fact that optimizing libraries (by people other than the originators) is a good thing, like so…https://github.com/openexr/openexr/t...-optimisations

All I really care about is if it is a picture-quality-valid interim solution as a distribution mechanism to bring 4K into the home until HEVC is broadly adopted.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Is this the same tech that Netflix has started using?

Netflix is a funny bird.

I attended a luncheon last month in North Hollywood which included a panel discussion about 4K workflows with spokespersons from various entities….Netflix, Fox, Alpha Dogs, etc. The Netflix engineer was a big advocate of 4K but instead of admitting that his company’s main Achilles heel to superb picture quality was IP bandwidth restriction, he blamed it on
the studios/content providers for providing them with allegedly non Q/C-ed JPEG 2000 mezzanine masters rather than ‘prime’ digital source masters.

I mean that’s like saying, Gee, the major reason why Penton can’t buy a Lamborghini Veneno is because I can’t make room in my garage for it.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by vargo

Can you cut and paste the relevant sentence, I can't see it.

see the quote in my post above. That was direct from the link in the same post.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Netflix is a funny bird.

They are so full of it! Their own data shows most folks barely get low grade SD data rates. IMO, the Netflix Super HD is such a first rate forest, it should be a to them.

I have their streaming plan (for iPad and PC viewing) and 3 at a time Blu-ray disc by mail. They still provide the best disc rental service for me.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

see the quote in my post above. That was direct from the link in the same post.

The quote does not say x264 anywhere.

x264 =/= H.264

Read the thread from the beginning including the discussion about beamr. It will clear everything up for you.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

They are so full of it! Their own data shows most folks barely get low grade SD data rates. IMO, the Netflix Super HD is such a first rate forest, it should be a to them....

Well, I actually found his (the Netflix engineer’s) excuse so amusing that it was difficult for me to maintain a straight face, much less avoid choking on my $60. lunch.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by vargo

The quote does not say x264 anywhere.

You are correct, I should have paid closer attention.

x264 =/= H.264

Did you mean to say x264 ≠ H.264?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

...Did you mean to say x264 ≠ H.264?

Yes, that’s essentially what vargo means and if anyone feels that strongly about due acknowledgement of x264 on eyeI0’s website, then they can always take it up with Vargas…. http://www.linkedin.com/in/rodolfovargas

As I said previously, in the grand scheme of things it’s unimportant to me as I am FAR more concerned about the bit rate levels of ANY of these codecs and how truly visually lossless they are to the uncompressed 4K material they are compressing in the first place like noted here –
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...es#post7829799

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

As I said previously, in the grand scheme of things it’s unimportant to me as I am FAR more concerned about the bit rate levels of ANY of these codecs and how truly visually lossless they are to the uncompressed 4K material they are compressing in the first place like noted here –
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...es#post7829799

The point is that if their encoder is x264, then we already know how it performs.

Its a non-news story, you cannot outperform current encoders if what you are using is a current encoder.

Even if some changes have been made to the encoder (doubtful), at this late stage in the maturity of current H.264 encoders, there is very little scope for a startup to come along and significantly outperform existing top-class encoders.

The whole thing is completely uninteresting and doesnt belong in a H.265 discussion. If you want to know how x264 performs at 10Mbps, download it for free and try for yourself.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Yes, that’s essentially what vargo means

Yea, I know. I was just yanking his (her?) chain a little

[vargo]

Multicoreware officially announce x265, an open source HEVC encoder.

Note that this project has no connection to the x264 project, although I am sure that is the impression they wish to create with their chosen name.


http://www.extremetech.com/computing...expectations/1

[vargo]

Just to update with new info, while it is true that MultiCoreWare x265 project seems to have no official connection to x264 team (currently), some of the x264 devs have given the project their blessing and may become involved in the future depending on how MCW handle the situation.

That would be quite exciting because a lot of people were wondering when those guys would start a HEVC project.

A one-man project called x265 was originally started several years ago by Min Chen. I notice some commits by Min in the MCW x265 repo so I assume it is the same project or related somehow.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Yea, I know. I was just yanking his (her?) chain a little

Wendell, his chain needs yanking once in awhile just to make sure he’s thinking and not sleeping on the job. Varg, just to update , in case you didn’t know, the co-founder of eyeI0 ( http://eyeio.com/ ) is the former president of the Business and Professional Products Company of Sony Electronics.

And they’ve got at least two patent apps….http://www.faqs.org/patents/assignee/eye-io-llc/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by vargo

...x265 project

Unfortunately, the website has been stuck in the same groove for some time http://x265.org/

Although I much admire and do like to see this type of independent testing with a new codec/encoder…. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...er,3565-2.html as opposed to anecdotal high-praising testimonials from vested RED fanboys as to RED’s particular compression solution.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Unfortunately, the website has been stuck in the same groove for some time http://x265.org/

They've shown their hand and got their column inches, I don't think we'll hear much more from them in the near future. The project is in a very early phase, earlier even than any of the articles/reviews alluded to.

[Agent Zero]

I defended my vinyl, my 8 track, my cassette, my, Betamax, my cd, my VHS, my DVD and now blu.

Some day (soon) I will defend the next format. Anyone who thinks manufactured discs will still be around by 2018 is nuts!

Time is speeding up people, get used to it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Agent Zero

I defended my vinyl, my 8 track, my cassette, my, Betamax, my cd, my VHS, my DVD and now blu.

Some day (soon) I will defend the next format. Anyone who thinks manufactured discs will still be around by 2018 is nuts!

Time is speeding up people, get used to it.

Ok, I will only buy 50 blurays a year from now on. Thanks for letting me know.