Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Barely. I suspect the vast majority who buy, rip, and sell are buying used copies. And since they aren't keeping the discs they aren't reducing the number of copies in circulation (which would cause more new copies to be made and sold).

That’s a big presumption. It might be that many are moving to digital (saddos) and just want a back up for their old collection.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I think I bought this on iTunes before buying the Blu Ray and now I'll go looking for the UHD.

In terms of replay value, ... Ive already seen it lots of times.

I tend to say "Shark vs Bikini Girl" is my favorite genre. Maybe I just like monster movies.

I was disappointed with Crawl. Much preferred Rogue several years earlier.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That’s a big presumption. It might be that many are moving to digital (saddos) and just want a back up for their old collection.

That's even worse. Those people aren't supporting the disc industry at all anymore.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

That's even worse. Those people aren't supporting the disc industry at all anymore.

Well,

Better or worse we can't control trends and fashion. We can't hold the tide.

At my age, I don't want to because it would be wasting time. There's plenty of new releases, I will get them while I can.

If I think about my first setup, .... things are only much better.

(My first setup that was all mine was a 13" TV with a mono VCR.)

-Brian

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Crawl is something that I would have to see before buying. A woman trapped in a house with gators doesn't immediately grab me.



The Dry looks like it could be juicy, but it's another title that I would have to see first.

Crawl is kinda like Shallows with alligators. It is also in my opinion of of the best looking Blu-ray’s I have seen with reference audio to boot. I will double dip with it at some point to see how much better it can get. Dry is not a thriller, so I don’t know if I would call it juicy. Not a lot of action, just a really well told story with two mysteries woven together.

[bhampton]

Hey,

I said it was "bad" for Alchav to claim keeping a backup of content he sold. I stand by that. I have my own notions of what's right.

I also suggest it is "bad" to not seek the best quality version of any content you are interested in reproducing. Get the best and enjoy.

My comment set off a lot of back and forth about intellectual property and copyright that could possibly never ever end.

I have some cleaning of my own hard drives to do but I do have a standing order that all content on there would be decrypted. Currently my own media server is in storage and I find that I don't miss it yet. I was inspired by the notion of going green and my NAS units lack effective power management.

I move to grant Alchav a special master in this case so that we can all ignore it for the foreseeable future.

-Brian

[russweiss1]

Since this has been going on for several days now I'll add my 2 cents.

If someone buys a disc, makes a copy, and then sells that disc, that is piracy.

My reasoning. If you sell a disc you are stating that you no longer want the content of that disc. To retain a copy would be illicit.

[Wendell R. Breland]

How many here own a ATV4K and a Mac computer? Do you have Display HUD on your ATV4K? If not would you be interested in installing Display HUD?

Last night in prime time (2100 EDT) started watching latest episode of The House of Dragons on Shield Pro and it looked really soft so I switched to the ATV4K, turned on Display HUD and continued Dragons. HUD showed network bandwidth as ≈ 15 Mbps, video bitrate as ≤ 5 Mbps, source as 3840 x 2160, display as 1920 x 1080. Next I tried The Rings of Power via Prime Video. HUD showed network bandwidth as ≈ 100 Mbps, video bitrate as 20 Mbps, source as 3840 x 2160, display as 3840 x 2160. The Batman via Vudu, HUD showed network bandwidth as ≈ 15 Mbps, video bitrate as 4 Mbps, source as 3840 x 2160, display as 1920 x 1080. The Batman via Movies Anywhere, HUD showed network bandwidth as ≈ 100 Mbps, video bitrate as 25 Mbps, source as 3840 x 2160, display as 3840 x 2160.

As can be seen, large differences in network bandwidth between end user and CDN. Would like to see the results from other users.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Today I plan to get on my High Horse, go to Audio Advice in Pineville NC and check out the new Sony VPL-XW6000ES video projector. Too bad they don’t have the JVC DILA-NZ8 on display. One poster made a post with pictures made with a phone camera of their projector screen using a XW7000, here.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

How many here own a ATV4K and a Mac computer? Do you have Display HUD on your ATV4K? If not would you be interested in installing Display HUD?

Well .... I have the M1 Mac Mini and the ATV4K. Maybe I can help. I don't think I have HBO Max. I have AT&T Fiber optic internet at my Florida home which I think comes with HBO Max. I'm not sure ... I'll figure it out eventually.

I Alchaved Goodnight Mommy on Prime. I have the other version of Goodnight Mommy (2014) and have to assume this version was made specifically for people who don't like subtitles (can't read) or people like me who are in love with Naomi Watts though I have to say it wasn't a glamorous role for her.

I find so many things available on steaming actually belong there. They might be worth watching but they aren't worth owning. I'm not out looking for The Desperate Hour today. I Alchaved that one from Kanopy and I guess it's on other streaming sites now like Hulu.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Today I plan to get on my High Horse, go to Audio Advice in Pineville NC and check out the new Sony VPL-XW6000ES video projector. Too bad they don’t have the JVC DILA-NZ8 on display. One poster made a post with pictures made with a phone camera of their projector screen using a XW7000, here.

Nice. Audio Advice seems like a great place.

I wish you could get a demo of the NZ8. You are welcome to come here if you want. I'm not bringing it anywhere.

I'm surprised if they don't have one setup or can't at least set one up.

I've loved Sony projectors and feel almost bad about cheating with the JVC but the JVC is reference in every way and comes with an amazing AutoCal program that works great. Sony should definitely steal that idea. It's wonderful to be able to recalibrate from time to time. I have about 900 hours on mine and calibrated a few days ago. I can say the recent calibration improved the image which was already great.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

That's even worse. Those people aren't supporting the disc industry at all anymore.

True, but it’s another potential reason. You are preaching to the converted about the latter point.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Well .... I have the M1 Mac Mini and the ATV4K. Maybe I can help. I don't think I have HBO Max. I have AT&T Fiber optic internet at my Florida home which I think comes with HBO Max. I'm not sure ... I'll figure it out eventually.

I Alchaved Goodnight Mommy on Prime. I have the other version of Goodnight Mommy (2014) and have to assume this version was made specifically for people who don't like subtitles (can't read) or people like me who are in love with Naomi Watts though I have to say it wasn't a glamorous role for her.

I find so many things available on steaming actually belong there. They might be worth watching but they aren't worth owning. I'm not out looking for The Desperate Hour today. I Alchaved that one from Kanopy and I guess it's on other streaming sites now like Hulu.

At the risk of sounding pretentious, it really is a massive shame that you saw the American version of GOODNIGHT MOMMY first.. don't get me wrong, I was very much looking forward to it as I think Naomi has an amazing track record of bringing foreign films to audiences that don't like subtitles. My wife is American and falls into this category.
IMHO there is no need to watch the German version of FUNNY GAMES as the original director has essentially made a shot for shot remake with both Watts and Tim Roth both playing to the strengths of the original performances.
Conversely, I love it when a movie is remade of a flawed original so that the new makers can retool.... but

In the case of GOODNIGHT MOMMY, the original Austrian production is such a masterclass of "film" making that this "made for TV" version really lived down to it's pedigree. This new version is nothing more than an interesting little time waster with a plot that's a cut above.... I finished it late at night with the intention of going to bed right after...
I ended up screening the Austrian Bluray right after to cleanse the pallet.... right from the opening establishing shot in glorious scope, you know which version is superior...

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Of course it's nonsense. When someone rents or borrows a disc they have access to the content for as along as they possess the disc. When someone purchases a disc they have access to the content for as long as they possess the disc.

So does a shoplifter. Possession alone does not grant a license.

Your imaginary requirements that a person retain the disc as proof of license is what is absurd. If such a requirement existed, you should be able to quote it and cite its source. Nothing states that anywhere. No one will ever demand to see your disc as proof of anything because mere possession only proves that you have it, not how you got it. You would need your receipt to prove that you purchased it and there is no requirement that you keep that, either.

This is really no different than redeeming digital codes and then selling the disc, or keeping the disc and then selling the code, even though the terms of service that came with the digital code forbids this practice. Two people get a movie and only one of them made a legitimate purchase. No one here seems to have any problem with that at all. People rationalize what they do while condemning others in the same breath for doing what amounts to the same damn thing.

Again, this website ignores all of that and facilitates the buying and selling of these codes. TOS be damned.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

At the risk of sounding pretentious, it really is a massive shame that you saw the American version of GOODNIGHT MOMMY first.. don't get me wrong, I was very much looking forward to it as I think Naomi has an amazing track record of bringing foreign films to audiences that don't like subtitles. My wife is American and falls into this category.
IMHO there is no need to watch the German version of FUNNY GAMES as the original director has essentially made a shot for shot remake with both Watts and Tim Roth both playing to the strengths of the original performances.
Conversely, I love it when a movie is remade of a flawed original so that the new makers can retool.... but

In the case of GOODNIGHT MOMMY, the original Austrian production is such a masterclass of "film" making that this "made for TV" version really lived down to it's pedigree. This new version is nothing more than an interesting little time waster with a plot that's a cut above.... I finished it late at night with the intention of going to bed right after...
I ended up screening the Austrian Bluray right after to cleanse the pallet.... right from the opening establishing shot in glorious scope, you know which version is superior...

Agreed. Felt the same way about ‘Let The Right One In’ and the remake ‘Let Me In’. The original was superior to the still quite good remake.

[Vilya]

Some people define piracy as any unauthorized reproduction of a copyrighted work.

Oxford simply puts it this way: "the unauthorized use or reproduction of another's work."

Webster defines it as: "the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright.

Dictionary. com has it as: "the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc."

Under these definitions anyone who made a copy of a copyrighted work is guilty of piracy, whether or not DRM is present. By these definitions, anyone who has ever made a copy of a copyrighted work, no matter the reason, no matter if they kept the source disk, is still guilty of piracy.

Hoist the Jolly Roger, mateys! If alchav is a pirate, then so is almost everyone here. We just rationalize our actions differently.

[bhampton]

Hey,

No worries .... I have the 2014 version of Goodnight Mommy and both versions of Let the Right One In.



I didn't find Crawl when I went to town today, .... but perhaps its for the best as I did stuff I wanted.

First a couple of DVDs from the $1.25 store.



Then, the Simpsons Arcade 1Up on Clearance for $199 at Walmart. !



I'm keeping this purchase in the box until I find out how mad it makes my wife.

I just moved my Ms Pac Man machine over by the washer and dryer because laundry-mats are where I used to play games like this. This one, if I keep it, would require mods like I did to my other Arcade 1up as I would want to add all the 4 player games like Ninja Turtles, Golden Axe, Gauntlet and also all my "horizontal" games which are currently windowboxed on my Ms Pac Man machine.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Hey,

No worries .... I have the 2014 version of Goodnight Mommy and both versions of Let the Right One In.

Me too. Let The Right One In is in my top 100 of all time.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

So does a shoplifter. Possession alone does not grant a license.

Vilya, some of your view points are confusing. A shoplifted physical copy is also illegal therefore doesn't grant you anything legal.

Simple terms, legal purchase of a disc, you then you have legal access disc contents. Sell disc and you no longer have access to it. Its gone, off in another state. There is no need to revoke a license. And the content owner did not license you to make a copy and in fact forbid you to make a copy.

Really, can't we just move on, it appears the members here are tired of the back and forth. I am done, off to the store.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Agreed. Felt the same way about ‘Let The Right One In’ and the remake ‘Let Me In’. The original was superior to the still quite good remake.

Very much agreed.... both are amazing movies, but the original takes it....specifically for the most misunderstood shot in the whole movie...lol...

There's no way an American audience could get their heads around that one... I actually find in my discussions with those that have seen the original, that many have missed the significance.... it's actually a case where your display's ability to resolve a dark scene can make or break your interpretation of the film