Understanding Dialog Normalization

[Hammie]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Please check the new table in Post #2 and help me add to the list. Thank you.

Do you want us to PM you the results or would you prefer we put them here or the other thread that was started with offset levels?

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by talstarone

Big Daddy,My Friend,You Have Another Winner in this Thread .

I Love how informative it is.And the ease in which you are able to explain so many things that even I can understand.

I must get a SPL Meter now.No More Excuses in Putting it off.The Chart/List you have started of different movies and their levels is fascinating.I will do my part in adding any titles and infotmation about the Levels these Movies Default to when Playing.
As I have noticed some movies have to be played Louder(and some even at Lower Levels to match the output of another Movie).

Thanks for the PM and Including me in this,Big Daddy. And I watched your ex-projector again earlier today on Ice Age 3. Simply Breath Taking.I Love that Sony Projector with a passion.I cant wait to get the screen early next week.

But count me in BD.I will do all I can to Contribute to the Movie Volume Reference Level.
I Hope you are Enjoying a Wonderful Evening,my Friend .

Thank you for the compliment. I am glad you are enjoying the projector. It is one of the sexiest projectors. I wish it could output 1080p.

Check the table in post#2 of this thread. When you watch a Blu-ray movie, check the Dialnorm offset and report it to me so that I can complete the table. The BD player has output audio in bitstream for the receiver to be able to report this number.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by louhamilton

Do you want us to PM you the results or would you prefer we put them here or the other thread that was started with offset levels?

Just report it here so that others can see it.

[Big Daddy]

Thanks to Cembros, Louhamilton, and a few others, the Dialog Normalization list in post #2 is getting bigger and bigger. Please keep them coming.

[shadow72]

I had this posted on another thread, but I see you already have these listed.

What I've found so far....

DTS-HD MA TITLES:

G.I. JOE - -6db
FORREST GUMP - -4db
IMAX TRANSFORMERS ROTF - -4db
GLADIATOR - 4db


TrueHD (all TrueHD titles are -4db with these exceptions):

INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL - -6d

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by shadow72

I had this posted on another thread, but I see you already have these listed.

What I've found so far....

DTS-HD MA TITLES:

G.I. JOE - -6db
FORREST GUMP - -4db
IMAX TRANSFORMERS ROTF - -4db
GLADIATOR - 4db


TrueHD (all TrueHD titles are -4db with these exceptions):

INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL - -6d

As you watch more movies, record their offsets and post them. I thank you in advance.

[shadow72]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

As you watch more movies, record their offsets and post them. I thank you in advance.

Will do Big Daddy. Subscribed.....

[crazyBLUE]

Thanks for the sticky Big Daddy !! This explains alot on why there are differences in the different sound tracks .
When I figure out how to get that offset number I will start letting you know .

[Hammie]

Here's my contribution for today:

21: TrueHD 0db
2010: TrueHD -4, DD -4
A Clockwork Orange: LPCM 0, DD -4
Aeon Flux: DD -4, DTS -4
Austin Powers International Man of Mystery: TrueHD -4, DD -4
Austin Powers The Spy That Shagged Me: TrueHD -4 (Flag: Matrix), DD -4 (Flag: Matrix)
Austin Powers Gold Member: TrueHD - 4, DD -4
Alien vs. Predator: DTS-HD MA 0, DD -4
AVP: Requiem: DTS-HD MA 0, DD -4
Every Which Way but Loose: TureHD -4, DD -4
Interview with a Vampire: DD -4
Say Anything: DTS-HD MA 0, DD -4
Forrest Gump: DTS-HD MA -4, DD -4
Pearl Harbor: LPCM 0, DD 0

Maybe, I'll more later or tonight.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

Thanks for the sticky Big Daddy !! This explains alot on why there are differences in the different sound tracks .
When I figure out how to get that offset number I will start letting you know .

You have to set your BD player's audio to bitstream. Otherwise, your receiver will not show the offsets. In my Denon receiver, the offsets are shown in the menu under Information, Input Signal.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by louhamilton

Here's my contribution for today:

21: TrueHD 0db
2010: TrueHD -4, DD -4
A Clockwork Orange: LPCM 0, DD -4
Aeon Flux: DD -4, DTS -4
Austin Powers International Man of Mystery: TrueHD -4, DD -4
Austin Powers The Spy That Shagged Me: TrueHD -4 (Flag: Matrix), DD -4 (Flag: Matrix)
Austin Powers Gold Member: TrueHD - 4, DD -4
Alien vs. Predator: DTS-HD MA 0, DD -4
AVP: Requiem: DTS-HD MA 0, DD -4
Every Which Way but Loose: TureHD -4, DD -4
Interview with a Vampire: DD -4
Say Anything: DTS-HD MA 0, DD -4
Forrest Gump: DTS-HD MA -4, DD -4
Pearl Harbor: LPCM 0, DD 0

Maybe, I'll more later or tonight.

Thank you. I have to go pick up my mother from the airport and drive her to my sister's house. I will update the table after I return later this evening.

[Hammie]

Next batch:

American Gangster: DTS-HD MA 0
American History X: TrueHD -4, DD -4
American Psycho: DTS-HD Hi Res -4, DD -4 (Flag: Matrix)
Apocalypto: LPCM 0, DD -4
Aviator: DD -4
Batman Begins: TrueHD -4, DD -4
Bank Job: DTS-HD MA 7.1 0
Basic Instinct: DTS-HD Hi Res -4, DD -4 (Flag: Matrix)
Beetlejuice: TrueHD -4, DD -4
Big Trouble in Little China: DTS-HD MA 0

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by louhamilton

Next batch:

American Gangster: DTS-HD MA 0
American History X: TrueHD -4, DD -4
American Psycho: DTS-HD Hi Res -4, DD -4 (Flag: Matrix)
Apocalypto: LPCM 0, DD -4
Aviator: DD -4
Batman Begins: TrueHD -4, DD -4
Bank Job: DTS-HD MA 7.1 0
Basic Instinct: DTS-HD Hi Res -4, DD -4 (Flag: Matrix)
Beetlejuice: TrueHD -4, DD -4
Big Trouble in Little China: DTS-HD MA 0

Thank you Lou. I updated the list.

[BIslander]

I was under the impression that dialnorm is not implemented on legacy DTS. Yet I see two discs on Big Daddy's list (Aeon Flux and Punisher) that list dialnorm offsets for DTS encodes. Can anyone clarify this?

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by BIslander

I was under the impression that dialnorm is not implemented on legacy DTS. Yet I see two discs on Big Daddy's list (Aeon Flux and Punisher) that list dialnorm offsets for DTS encodes. Can anyone clarify this?

That puzzled me a bit too. I double checked the Punisher. This is the information that my Denon receiver reports:

Surround Mode: DTS ES 6.1
Fs: 48kHz
Format: 3/3/.1
Offset: -4dB
Flag: Discrete


Surround Mode: Dolby Digital EX 5.16.1
Fs: 48kHz
Format: 3/3/.1
Offset: -4dB
Flag: Matrix

It is possible that DTS has found religion (dialnorm religion) on BD's or the studios are free to use any offset they want with DD and DTS on blu-ray movies.

Another surprising thing is that Paramount uses an offset of -6dB on the French and Spanish Dolby Digital for the G.I. Joe BD. Of course, Sony does not use dialog normalization on most of their BD movies. However, they used an offset of -2dB on David Gilmour's Dolby TrueHD track.

[Hammie]

How about another batch?

Black Hawk Down: LPCM 0, DD -7 <-- Not a typo
Black Mask: DTS-HD MA 0
Blade Runner (Final Cut): DD -4, TrueHD -4
Blazing Saddles: DD -4
Body of Lies: DD -4, TrueHD -4
The Brave One: DD -4, TrueHD -4
Bullitt: DD 2.0 -4
Casino Royale: DD 0, LPCM 0
Chaos: DTS-HD MA 0
The Chronicles of Riddick: DTS-HD MA 0
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (Director's Cut): TrueHD 0, DTS-HD MA 0
Commando: DTS-HD MA 0
Corpse Bride: DD -4 (Flag: Matrix)
Crank: LPCM 0, DD -4 (Flag: Matrix)
Crank 2: DTS-HD MA 0

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by louhamilton

How about another batch?

Black Hawk Down: LPCM 0, DD -7 <-- Not a typo
Black Mask: DTS-HD MA 0
Blade Runner (Final Cut): DD -4, TrueHD -4
Blazing Saddles: DD -4
Body of Lies: DD -4, TrueHD -4
The Brave One: DD -4, TrueHD -4
Bullitt: DD 2.0 -4
Casino Royale: DD 0, LPCM 0
Chaos: DTS-HD MA 0
The Chronicles of Riddick: DTS-HD MA 0
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (Director's Cut): TrueHD 0, DTS-HD MA 0
Commando: DTS-HD MA 0
Corpse Bride: DD -4 (Flag: Matrix)
Crank: LPCM 0, DD -4 (Flag: Matrix)
Crank 2: DTS-HD MA 0

You are making me work too hard. I should start charging you.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by louhamilton

How about another batch?

Black Hawk Down: LPCM 0, DD -7 <-- Not a typo
Black Mask: DTS-HD MA 0
Blade Runner (Final Cut): DD -4, TrueHD -4
Blazing Saddles: DD -4
Body of Lies: DD -4, TrueHD -4
The Brave One: DD -4, TrueHD -4
Bullitt: DD 2.0 -4
Casino Royale: DD 0, LPCM 0
Chaos: DTS-HD MA 0
The Chronicles of Riddick: DTS-HD MA 0
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (Director's Cut): TrueHD 0, DTS-HD MA 0
Commando: DTS-HD MA 0
Corpse Bride: DD -4 (Flag: Matrix)
Crank: LPCM 0, DD -4 (Flag: Matrix)
Crank 2: DTS-HD MA 0

Dang lou ~ What are you slapping BD's in to get what it is , then putting the next one in !

&
you
are
making
Big
Daddy
work
hard

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by louhamilton

How about another batch?

Black Hawk Down: LPCM 0, DD -7 <-- Not a typo
Black Mask: DTS-HD MA 0
Blade Runner (Final Cut): DD -4, TrueHD -4
Blazing Saddles: DD -4
Body of Lies: DD -4, TrueHD -4
The Brave One: DD -4, TrueHD -4
Bullitt: DD 2.0 -4
Casino Royale: DD 0, LPCM 0
Chaos: DTS-HD MA 0
The Chronicles of Riddick: DTS-HD MA 0
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (Director's Cut): TrueHD 0, DTS-HD MA 0
Commando: DTS-HD MA 0
Corpse Bride: DD -4 (Flag: Matrix)
Crank: LPCM 0, DD -4 (Flag: Matrix)
Crank 2: DTS-HD MA 0

I work fast. The table is already updated.

[Hammie]

Sorry about all the work, BD. And you do work fast.

I'm just enjoying The Chronicles of Riddick right now, so no more tonight.

And yes, I pop one in see what it is and then move on to the next. I have over 200 BD's so I may be adding things for the next month or so.