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Old 11-08-2009, 04:44 AM   #41
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Sorry about all the work, BD. And you do work fast.

I'm just enjoying The Chronicles of Riddick right now, so no more tonight.

And yes, I pop one in see what it is and then move on to the next. I have over 200 BD's so I may be adding things for the next month or so.
Great lou . The list is getting small enough I will need glasses to see it .
Hope BD can cure that !
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Old 11-08-2009, 06:38 AM   #42
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Great lou . The list is getting small enough I will need glasses to see it .
Hope BD can cure that !
How do like the table now? It is much bigger. You can send the money you were going to spend on glasses to me.
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:02 AM   #43
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If anyone has National Treasure 2: Book of Secrets can you please check the dialnorm value for me? It's a disney title but it's in true hd, I'm assuming it is -4 but I would like to know for sure. I have a ps3 with linear pcm so I can't check. Thanks.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:05 AM   #44
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If anyone has National Treasure 2: Book of Secrets can you please check the dialnorm value for me? It's a disney title but it's in true hd, I'm assuming it is -4 but I would like to know for sure. I have a ps3 with linear pcm so I can't check. Thanks.
I don't own National Treasure 2, but for National Treasure 1, the dialnorm values are 0dB for LPCM and -4dB for Dolby Digital.
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Old 11-08-2009, 01:10 PM   #45
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How do like the table now? It is much bigger. You can send the money you were going to spend on glasses to me.
I just wired you some money. I sent it to Big Daddy at the Bank of Knowledge and Greatness.
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:32 PM   #46
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If anyone has National Treasure 2: Book of Secrets can you please check the dialnorm value for me? It's a disney title but it's in true hd, I'm assuming it is -4 but I would like to know for sure. I have a ps3 with linear pcm so I can't check. Thanks.
Just checked my copy and here it is:

Dolby TrueHD: 0d <----not a typo (that's wierd, thought all or most TrueHd were -4db)
All the DD (alternate languages; this movie does not offer English DD BTW): 0db
Comentary DD: -4db
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:59 PM   #47
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Just checked my copy and here it is:

Dolby TrueHD: 0d <----not a typo (that's wierd, thought all or most TrueHd were -4db)
All the DD (alternate languages; this movie does not offer English DD BTW): 0db
Comentary DD: -4db
That is not weird. Amost all of Sony's titles show 0dB for Dolby TrueHD.

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Old 11-08-2009, 03:57 PM   #48
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I've read through this thread several times now, and I'm obviously missing something. But here are my thoughts.

Why is it important that I know this information? If I don't like the volume level I'll turn my AVR up or down accordingly. Problem solved!

John

PS~ Great sticky BD, but I don't get it.
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Another TrueHD w/ 0db (Not Sony either )

The Dark Knight: TrueHD 0db, DD 0db
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:47 PM   #50
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I've read through this thread several times now, and I'm obviously missing something. But here are my thoughts.

Why is it important that I know this information? If I don't like the volume level I'll turn my AVR up or down accordingly. Problem solved!

John

PS~ Great sticky BD, but I don't get it.
For one, most people generally do not check what the movies were level referenced at, including myself. I was surprised when some of the movies were listed. Now I'll be on the lookout for movies that seem quieter at reference than others (that probably are!).
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Old 11-09-2009, 12:29 AM   #51
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I've read through this thread several times now, and I'm obviously missing something. But here are my thoughts.

Why is it important that I know this information? If I don't like the volume level I'll turn my AVR up or down accordingly. Problem solved!

John

PS~ Great sticky BD, but I don't get it.
It is really not that important if you are willing to adjust the volume with the remote and realize that just because the level of one movie is louder, it does not mean that the codec that was used is superior. In view of the so many threads that we have had debating the merits of one codec over another one or the misunderstandings that people have had about Dialog Normalization, a little education doesn't hurt.
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:04 AM   #52
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Big Daddy ~ I am sorry to say I can't help with the list now. I spent 1 1/2 hours this morning trying to find the level the BD was at & couldn't !

Call me dumb , stupid or whatever But I couldn't figure it out !!
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:16 AM   #53
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Big Daddy ~ I am sorry to say I can't help with the list now. I spent 1 1/2 hours this morning trying to find the level the BD was at & couldn't !

Call me dumb , stupid or whatever But I couldn't figure it out !!
I won't call you stupid. You already have the Crazy title.

If you want your receiver/processor to report the dialnorm values, you must set the player's audio output to bitstream. Setting it to PCM will not work.

In the Denon receivers, this value is reported in the menu under Information, Audio Input Signal. For other receivers, please check the manual or the internal menu of the receiver.
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:23 AM   #54
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I won't call you stupid. You already have the Crazy title.

If you want your receiver/processor to report the dialnorm values, you must set the player's audio output to bitstream. Setting it to PCM will not work.

In the Denon receivers, this value is reported in the menu under Information, Audio Input Signal. For other receivers, please check the manual or the internal menu of the receiver.
Before I started This morning I did that . Set to Bitsteam(audiofile) , had the manual out & could not find anythng pertaining to Information or audio input signal .

I will try again this week & maybe figure it out !
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I've read through this thread several times now, and I'm obviously missing something. But here are my thoughts.

Why is it important that I know this information? If I don't like the volume level I'll turn my AVR up or down accordingly. Problem solved!
I'm with you, although I am still interested in the data about various movies. I use player decoding and have no way to determine dialnorm values myself.

I don't listen at reference and I always adjust the volume at the start of a film. Despite what a surprising number of people seem to believe, all movies are not mastered at the same volume. Besides, my moods change and so do the listening conditions.

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I've read through this thread several times now, and I'm obviously missing something. But here are my thoughts.

Why is it important that I know this information? If I don't like the volume level I'll turn my AVR up or down accordingly. Problem solved!

John

PS~ Great sticky BD, but I don't get it.
This is what I kept thinking. I have a general range where I set my volume but I just adjust to my preference at for any particular movie to what seems comfortable to me at that time. I never thought about trying to adjust to reference level. If I understand from the thread, if 0db on my dial is reference, then I never get close to listening to at that level. I used Audyessy to set speaker levels but I am not sure if Audyessy's goal will to try to make 0db reference level or not.

In general, my listening levels range from -21db to -15db on the volume setting which seems to make sense now given the ranges of dialog normalization. Just out of interest, I may just start recording what level I watch a particular film and check back to see what the adjustment is.
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The table in post #2 is updated. Sony does some strange things such as using dialnorm values of 0, -1, -2, -3, -4, and -7 for Dolby Digital.
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It is really not that important if you are willing to adjust the volume with the remote and realize that just because the level of one movie is louder, it does not mean that the codec that was used is superior. In view of the so many threads that we have had debating the merits of one codec over another one or the misunderstandings that people have had about Dialog Normalization, a little education doesn't hurt.
I certainly agree with you wholeheartedly on a little education!

Thank you BD

John
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The table in post #2 is updated. Sony does some strange things such as using dialnorm values of 0, -1, -2, -3, -4, and -7 for Dolby Digital.
Good Morning Big Daddy !
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Good Morning Big Daddy !
It is morning for people who sleep at night. For vampires like me, it is good night.

Press the display function on your remote and check the little screen on the receiver. It may show the information about dialnorm values.

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