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Old 01-17-2018, 03:02 PM   #3041
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You don't get it. Pro calibrators use tools to measure how different levels of TM affect picture. They don't go by personal preference. I think they had tested 3/7 to be the limit before severe artefacts and SOE creep up

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Well 3/7 is SOE delux on my set.I think people Are using 2 after the new FW


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Old 01-17-2018, 03:09 PM   #3042
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DB 0 and DJ 2 or 3 always worked for me.

Thats another nice thing about the Sony, Smooth 3 and Clear 0 looks excellent with no artifacts.

I ordered the A1E 65" from Robert Sunday, with break in and calibration. Should have it in 3 weeks or so. After owning a 2017 Sony with the X1 Extreme chip, I do not want another LG until they prove to me they improved their video processing.
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:15 PM   #3043
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DB 0 and DJ 2 or 3 always worked for me.

Thats another nice thing about the Sony, Smooth 3 and Clear 0 looks excellent with no artifacts.

I ordered the A1E 65" from Robert Sunday, with break in and calibration. Should have it in 3 weeks or so. After owning a 2017 Sony with the X1 Extreme chip, I do not want another LG until they prove to me they improved their video processing.
Sony always have better motion then LG had Even my VT60 has better motion then my B6 has,but the 2018 modell Will have black frame insertion, if it works time Will tell and they have new chipset to,alpha 7 on B8 and alpha 9 on C8 and up let's see if it is gonna improve things.

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Old 01-17-2018, 03:19 PM   #3044
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Here is the problem with BFI, you can use it on SDR fine... BUT, you cannot use it on HDR. So anything you watch HDR10 or DV, you still have motion problems. I know, I have a 1300 nit Sony right now, BFI is great on SDR, but I can't use it on HDR. In that aspect, Trumotion cant keep up with Motionflow.
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:23 PM   #3045
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Here is the problem with BFI, you can use it on SDR fine... BUT, you cannot use it on HDR. So anything you watch HDR10 or DV, you still have motion problems. I know, I have a 1300 nit Sony right now, BFI is great on SDR, but I can't use it on HDR. In that aspect, Trumotion cant keep up with Motionflow.
I see,but it least it works for SDR,then they need to go back to the bench and figure out away to get better motion on HDR without it becomes SOE.

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Old 01-17-2018, 03:23 PM   #3046
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Here is the problem with BFI, you can use it on SDR fine... BUT, you cannot use it on HDR. So anything you watch HDR10 or DV, you still have motion problems. I know, I have a 1300 nit Sony right now, BFI is great on SDR, but I can't use it on HDR. In that aspect, Trumotion cant keep up with Motionflow.
So I was right in that de-judder 2-3 is the best compromise between heavy judder and heavy SOE.
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:25 PM   #3047
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Since I set my Sony on Smooth 3 Clear 0, I never even touch BFI, it is set it and forget it. That works on both the OLED and LCD's.

The main issue I had with LG and DJ 2 or 3, you see artifacts on stuff like helicopter blades, where the Sony has that down.
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You don't get it. Pro calibrators use tools to measure how different levels of TM affect picture. They don't go by personal preference. I think they had tested 3/7 to be the limit before severe artefacts and SOE creep up

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There Are videos you can use to test what TM to use on your set,like Spears and Munsli have one,maybe wow has one to idk,or you can find it on the net too.

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Since I set my Sony on Smooth 3 Clear 0, I never even touch BFI, it is set it and forget it. That works on both the OLED and LCD's.

The main issue I had with LG and DJ 2 or 3, you see artifacts on stuff like helicopter blades, where the Sony has that down.
Yea I don't like the TM on LG to much SOE Even on 1,Sony always had it down when it comes to motion,no artifacts

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There Are videos you can use to test what TM to use on your set,like Spears and Munsli have one,maybe wow has one to idk,or you can find it on the net too.

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I was asking the experts who have already tested TruMotion extensively on 2016 LG Oled
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:31 PM   #3051
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Yea I don't like the TM on LG to much SOE Even on 1,Sony always had it down when it comes to motion,no artifacts

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Sonys Smooth Gradation is something everyone needs to figure out. It removes banding and posturization from lower sources without hurting PQ, it is pretty sweet. Allegedly LG's new A9 chip is trying to compete with the X1 Extreme, so hopefully LG makes some improvements.
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:32 PM   #3052
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I was asking the experts who have already tested TruMotion extensively on 2016 LG Oled
LOL,high and might you have become,well was only trying to help you with your motion settings,but if you gonna be douch about then piss off

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ZD9 owners confirmed that Smooth Gradation can help with color banding but at the expenses of background details. To be used with caution and only on titles which are severely affected by heavy banding. The smoother gradation comes at a price (loss of details in backgrounds)
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ZD9 owners confirmed that Smooth Gradation can help with color banding but at the expenses of background details. To be used with caution and only on titles which are severely affected by heavy banding. The smoother gradation comes at a price (loss of details in backgrounds)
Have you experienced yourself?do you have ZD9?so what do you know about it.

From Vincent Teoh who know a lot more about it then you will.

The Sony Bravia KD-65ZD9 was capable of delivering a motion resolution (as judged via the horizontally scrolling lines in Chapter 31 of the FPD Benchmark Software Blu-ray disc) of 1080 lines or even higher with [Motionflow] set to “Clear“, though this incurred a slight luminance drop (due to backlight scanning) and mild soap opera effect (SOE). This level of motion clarity could also be achieved by optimising the [Smoothness] and [Clearness] options under the [Motionflow] “Custom” submenu.

My bad Rocky, I thought we were talking about motion, not smooth graduation

We found we didn’t need to push [Smoothness] and [Clearness] to as high as the values required on the Bravia X94C or XD94 to obtain 1080 motion resolution, underlining the ZD9′s superior motion processing. Just like [Motionflow] “Clear“, some soap opera effect (SOE) was unavoidable if [Motionflow] “Custom” was optimised to provide the sharpest motion, but it’s truly mild and acceptable – we’ve always found Sony’s film smoothing to be less offensive than other TV manufacturers’ anywa

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I was asking the experts who have already tested TruMotion extensively on 2016 LG Oled
Here is what the expert use, not that you know that.

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Have you experienced yourself?do you have ZD99?so what do you know about it.

From Vincent Teoh who know a lot more about it then you will.

The Sony Bravia KD-65ZD9 was capable of delivering a motion resolution (as judged via the horizontally scrolling lines in Chapter 31 of the FPD Benchmark Software Blu-ray disc) of 1080 lines or even higher with [Motionflow] set to “Clear“, though this incurred a slight luminance drop (due to backlight scanning) and mild soap opera effect (SOE). This level of motion clarity could also be achieved by optimising the [Smoothness] and [Clearness] options under the [Motionflow] “Custom” submenu.

We found we didn’t need to push [Smoothness] and [Clearness] to as high as the values required on the Bravia X94C or XD94 to obtain 1080 motion resolution, underlining the ZD9′s superior motion processing. Just like [Motionflow] “Clear“, some soap opera effect (SOE) was unavoidable if [Motionflow] “Custom” was optimised to provide the sharpest motion, but it’s truly mild and acceptable – we’ve always found Sony’s film smoothing to be less offensive than other TV manufacturers’ anywa
Smooth Gradation in Sony has nothing to do with Motionflow. Two different things
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Even DNice commended Gradation Low. I have left it off on 1080p and 2160p streaming until I see banding in a sky, etc..., and then pause it and turn it on and off. I see no loss of detail, but it sure cleans things up.

Even Vincent Teoh loves it.
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Even DNice commended Gradation Low. I have left it off on 1080p and 2160p streaming until I see banding in a sky, etc..., and then pause it and turn it on and off. I see no loss of detail, but it sure cleans things up.

Even Vincent Teoh loves it.
I love it too on my Sony projector too, as long as it's kept on low and it helps with some content.
Liongate is known for terrible banding issues so that woud be a good example of when to use SG on low. But honetsly if the source is high quality I would rather keep it off because it can work almost like NR by blurring out some of the details in the background of the picture if we dont act carefully.
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that is not smooth gradation MR I'm the right in everything I say.

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The Sony Bravia KD-65ZD9 was capable of delivering a motion resolution (as judged via the horizontally scrolling lines in Chapter 31 of the FPD Benchmark Software Blu-ray disc) of 1080 lines or even higher with [Motionflow] set to “Clear“, though this incurred a slight luminance drop (due to backlight scanning) and mild soap opera effect (SOE). This level of motion clarity could also be achieved by optimising the [Smoothness] and [Clearness] options under the [Motionflow] “Custom” submenu.

We found we didn’t need to push [Smoothness] and [Clearness] to as high as the values required on the Bravia X94C or XD94 to obtain 1080 motion resolution, underlining the ZD9′s superior motion processing. Just like [Motionflow] “Clear“, some soap opera effect (SOE) was unavoidable if [Motionflow] “Custom” was optimised to provide the sharpest motion, but it’s truly mild and acceptable – we’ve always found Sony’s film smoothing to be less offensive than other TV manufacturers’ anyway.

Video Processing
The upscaling quality on 2015 and 2016 Sony Bravias has been good though never stellar, but the KD65ZD9 – featuring the Japanese maker’s new and improved X1 Extreme processor – is a totally different beast. According to our tests, the display boasts the best standard-def upconversion we’ve seen from a consumer-grade TV so far, outperforming even that delivered by the superb OPPO 103 Blu-ray player.

A 576i SMPTE RP-133 test card looked amazingly clean and sharp on the Sony ZD9, with no noticeable ringing, fizzing or junk pixels. Until today we’ve consistently rated Samsung as having the best in-TV scaling solution not necessarily because it’s the sharpest, but because it’s the most forgiving – our opinion may now change with the 65ZD9.

We’ve previously lamented the omission of [Smooth Gradation] from Sony’s 2015 and 2016 Android-based Bravia TVs, so imagine our delight when we discovered that this wonderful video processing feature has been reinstated on the KD65ZD9BU. For the uninitiated, [Smooth Gradation] is a useful option (we’ve only seen it offered on Sony televisions and projectors) to smooth out on-screen contouring by utilising the internal video processing’s higher bit depth. Here are the results when applied to an 8-bit gradient ramp from the AVSHD test disc:

See the difference,.smooth gradation is not motion, wow you need to pay attention in class.
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I love it too on my Sony projector too, as long as it's kept on low and it helps with some content.
Liongate is known for terrible banding issues so that woud be a good example of when to use SG on low. But honetsly if the source is high quality I would rather keep it off because it can work almost like NR by blurring out some of the details in the background of the picture if we dont act carefully.
O know it is I love it too and 2 sec ago it was it loses details when using it.make up your mind dude.
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