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Old 02-17-2019, 03:34 PM   #4001
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If you watch like that wouldn't age the display too quickly possibly causing burn-in at some point?
Burn in I don't have burn in.

I have bought a new tv long before it is too aged��

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Old 02-17-2019, 07:19 PM   #4002
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Dolby Vision ('not too bright')
  • thank you ("Well it's not my tv or eyes")
  • answer :: definitely not (never an issue with regards to "brightness'' with regards to Dolby Vision content/viewing)
  • to be clear :: HDR 'highlights' (not-clipped) by their nature, 'should always be the appropriate brightness', given presentation capabilities of both content/display, so long as 'detail is not sacrificed' (this represents my point/perspective)
  • Dolby Vision (unlike HDR10) :: inherently maintains a proper balance of contrast/color, 'always' presenting a 'more natural/realistic picture quality' than HDR10, which when contrasted appears 'artificial', if not intolerable (this, as i 'see-it' - 'enjoy-it'), not-to-mention an by-product of Dolby Vision (for my eyes only?) that an obvious 'apparent-improvement' in resolution is also presented, which makes sense to me (upon considerable reflection/viewing)



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Well it's not my tv or eyes

but DV is not to bright for you?

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Old 02-17-2019, 07:40 PM   #4003
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my apology (the confusion)
  • yes :: that '700-nits' is 'enough' (for me) display light output for 'HDR', which was 'exactly my intended point'
  • an additional clarification :: i further 'feel' that, for example, even '300-nits' might be enough for an 'pleasureable' HDR 'viewing' of UHD (at least i 'think so')
  • yes :: that '1500-nits' (HDR10) would 'easily' be intolerable to view (certainly requiring a 'display-turn-off - - - 'for myself/my eyes/my viewing enjoyment')
  • no :: that '1500-nits' (Dolby Vision) would 'easily' be an 'acceptable improvement to my viewing of UHD, that i would expect to be 'a richer viewing experience', given 'quality content production'
  • and :: i do understand 'tone-mapping' and also, the inherent problems of HDR10, and the 'extensive benefits' of Dolby Vision 'beyond just HDR itself' (all the implied details, i might add)




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This is one confusing post.

Unless you are trying to say that 700 nits is more than enough for "good" HDR and you personally don't need 1500+ nits to burn your eyeballs out? Which I think is perfectly fair and fine in itself btw.
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Old 02-17-2019, 07:56 PM   #4004
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just a few 'helpful' thoughts?
  • burn in (LG B7) :: highly unlikely, especially at these settings, which as i recall are 'default', so the display should be expected to be 'safe' in this regard
  • furthermore :: LG OLED displays (7-Series/8-Series/9-Series) currently, should be expected to perform without image retention related performance issues
  • lastly :: LG OLED displays have come a long way with regards to image retention, so much so (regardless continuing controversy in this regard) that given 'so-called normal-use' that the expectation should be that 'all is well' finally




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If you watch like that wouldn't age the display too quickly possibly causing burn-in at some point?

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Old 02-17-2019, 09:07 PM   #4005
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Burn in I don't have burn in.

I have bought a new tv long before it is too aged��
What about for those that don't upgrade after every CES? Those that what to keep their displays until there is something major that comes out? I don't want to upgrade until micro-led comes. I don't want to purchase another LED or OLED TV, I don't consider that an upgrade. Will OLED last long enough until Micro-LED?
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Old 02-17-2019, 09:11 PM   #4006
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just a few 'helpful' thoughts?
  • burn in (LG B7) :: highly unlikely, especially at these settings, which as i recall are 'default', so the display should be expected to be 'safe' in this regard
  • furthermore :: LG OLED displays (7-Series/8-Seroes/9-Series) currently, should be expected to perform without image retention related performance issues
  • lastly :: LG OLED displays have come a long way with regards to image retention, so much so (regardless continuing controversy in this regard) that given 'so-called normal-use' that the expectation should be that 'all is well' finally
With all that said, aggressive ABL is one of the tools used by LG and others to combat burn-in. Therefore there must be something to running a TV with the brightness(including the OLED light) set real high, premature aging of the OLED panel and burn-in.
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Old 02-17-2019, 10:21 PM   #4007
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LG OLED :: 'replacement cycles'?
  • first :: i currently own an LG 55OLEDC7P
  • originally :: it was my intention to replace my display yearly
  • yes :: after each CES
  • however :: i 'still' own my C7 and have no idea when it will be replaced (could be another five years or so; simply doesn't matter, as i am 'more than happy' with it
  • why was i originally intending to replace yearly? :: simply, for 'whatever improvements might occur', which i 'always appreciate' and enjoy
  • would i appreciate/acquire an C8/C9 (yearly) - - certainly!
  • do the 'yearly improvements' matter to me? :: certainly :: C8/C9 (calibration related improvements - 3DLUT/color accuracy - processor power - and, much more, that i am not thinking about at this moment in time)
  • problem? :: i am 'highly satisfied' with my C7 (while i do not lust for the C8/C9, i definitely would appreciate/like to have one now, but as i said, $$$ does matter and i am not willing to take a loss on my purchase, so i simply 'hardly think about it', although unusually aware of what 'i am missing' on a daily basis)
  • please keep in mind :: money always matters, but (for myself) so does display performance
  • my only regret? :: most likely, i wlll not replace until 2020/2021, or later (and, 'it's too big for my liking')
  • what will i purchase next? :: most likely an LG OLED (smallest possible, with 43" (my) ideal size
  • why not microLED? :: while i look forward to the time when i will, from what i perceive occurring is that 'miniLED' is masquarding as 'microLED'
  • note :: 'true' microLED is currently simply unblieveably expensive :: it's clearly an interesting technology (i have seen it already for many years now) but given production related issues, unfortunately it might just be awhile :: and, it depends (for myself) whom i would purchase from when it's avaiilable (unfortunately, Samsung does not have my trust currently - for many reasons)
  • when are you going to upgrade? :: i completely agree with you, that you should 'only do so' when you 'want to'; there's simply no other reason that i can think of that makes sense - whenever/whatever, that might be
  • 8K (i almost forgot) :: that's another emerging display replacement issue, that will seriously affect my 'display purchase(s)' decision(s) :: yes (i already want it - viewing SD/HD/UHD1, with hardly any expectation of watching 'native UHD2', which would certainly be a treat (for me, in this lifetime)

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What about for those that don't upgrade after every CES? Those that what to keep their displays until there is something major that comes out? I don't want to upgrade until micro-led comes. I don't want to purchase another LED or OLED TV, I don't consider that an upgrade. Will OLED last long enough until Micro-LED?

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Old 02-17-2019, 10:34 PM   #4008
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i forgot (my apology)
  • no one should 'ever replace a display' until they 'want to'
  • makes sense?
  • actually :: you have 'clearly detailed 'why/when' one could/should consider a display replacement
  • certainly :: your thinking makes sense to me
  • Will OLED last long enough until Micro-LED? :: definitely, and, 'then some'
  • note (OLED) :: we all, might be surprised 'just how long' that OLED 'might be more-than-relevant', for so many reasons, in the forthcoming 8K-era and the impending display technologies :: after all, OLED (as i perceive/see it, is quite compelling, to say-the-least)


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What about for those that don't upgrade after every CES? Those that what to keep their displays until there is something major that comes out? I don't want to upgrade until micro-led comes. I don't want to purchase another LED or OLED TV, I don't consider that an upgrade. Will OLED last long enough until Micro-LED?
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Old 02-17-2019, 10:49 PM   #4009
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to be honest (at the moment)
  • ABL :: i have no concern(s)/issue(s) in this regard
  • perhaps i am 'ignorant'?
  • however, i do enjoy/watch content for hours daily (for a few years now - 2,000/hrs+) without reservation(s)
  • "must"? :: here, we certainly disagree (for 'many-many' reasons)
  • possibly? :: you're 'over-thinking' things?
  • for myself :: i simply am enjoying my display daily, and intend to continue doing so; without 'any' reservations
  • OLED (settings)? :: remember, it's simply an artriburary 'reference number' that the designer/manufacturer assigns
  • LG OLED (design) :: do you really think that LG Display (design group) doesn't know what they're doing/thinking?
  • for myself :: all is fine, and i do have one to enjoy regularly




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With all that said, aggressive ABL is one of the tools used by LG and others to combat burn-in. Therefore there must be something to running a TV with the brightness(including the OLED light) set real high, premature aging of the OLED panel and burn-in.
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What about for those that don't upgrade after every CES? Those that what to keep their displays until there is something major that comes out? I don't want to upgrade until micro-led comes. I don't want to purchase another LED or OLED TV, I don't consider that an upgrade. Will OLED last long enough until Micro-LED?
I upgrade every 3-4 years

It will last 200000 hours they say so that is a long time and I guess you would have change your tv before that.

So when M-Led comes out your OLED will last long after that too.

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Old 02-18-2019, 10:48 AM   #4011
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I upgrade every 3-4 years

It will last 200000 hours they say so that is a long time and I guess you would have change your tv before that.

So when M-Led comes out your OLED will last long after that too.
You change TV every 3-4 years?
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Old 02-18-2019, 03:41 PM   #4012
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You change TV every 3-4 years?
You have some people that upgrade TV'S like cell phones, 1-2 years.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:29 PM   #4013
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Is there a way to get lossless audio on LG Oled 2016 while playing content from Plex apps or from external drives? HDMI ARC is limited to lossy audio, it seems
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You change TV every 3-4 years?
If I am happy with my tv then yea every 3-4 years
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If I am happy with my tv then yea every 3-4 years
I don't ever want to replace my 55C6...Ever
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I don't ever want to replace my 55C6...Ever
when I buy a new tv my B7 is going in my living room and my plasma is going in my bedroom, so I am not going to get rid of it
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Old 02-19-2019, 12:58 PM   #4017
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An interesting unboxing video of the 2016 E model.I cant see anyone who has experienced backlight-less panels go back to LED!

Unboxing and Basic Set up of LG OLED65E6P - YouTube
There many that have gone back to backlight LED. If could find a new Z9D I probably would go back to backlight as I get more and more frustrated with crushed blacks from my OLED.
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I am so glad I got it pro calibrated, it made a huge difference in color and got more shadow details etc
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This is the new crayons thread. It's black crayon.
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There many that have gone back to backlight LED. If could find a new Z9D I probably would go back to backlight as I get more and more frustrated with crushed blacks from my OLED.
Best Buy was selling Sony ZD9 for $2000
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