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Old 02-11-2017, 10:49 PM   #1
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Question 3D + 4K Combo Pack Discussion

Right now only Sony does this, but I actually like that they do.

For some recent films I've been on the fence about if I want to get them in 3D or 4K (for example: Fantastic Beasts was conceived in 3D but also mastered in 4K) and I'm really glad that I can get Billy Lynn's halftime walk in high frame rate 4K *and* 3D 24p to compare.

I know I am way more likely to pre-order a movie I like if 4K and 3D are both included. Otherwise I am going to wait for reviews to see which is more worthwhile.

I am worried that 3D is being phased out, not just in TVs but on home media too. Trolls received a 4K edition but no 3D edition. Disney's record with 3D has been spotty for years now. The Lego Movie only offered 3D with a more expensive collector's set, and the Lego Batman movie only has 2D and 4K versions announced but no 3D in sight (even though reviews of the 3D effects are positive).

I know I would rather buy 4K + 3D than no 3D available at all. What do you guys think?
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Old 02-11-2017, 11:13 PM   #2
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I prefer this. I hate when 3d releases are sold separately from UHD. Having both ensures I'm future proof, and I don't mind spending a few dollars extra for the piece of mind.
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Old 02-12-2017, 12:23 AM   #3
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I am all for 4K 3D combo packs even though I have not been blown away by any 4K release to date. 3D out shines 4K by a long shot.
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Old 02-12-2017, 01:11 AM   #4
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I'd much prefer if 3-D were included with UHD going forward. It makes sense, really, including both premium viewing formats in one package. It would also be cheaper for studios, since only 2 distinct releases would need to be created by any given title. A standard BD/DVD, and a UHD/3D/BD combo. Abandon the DVD-only releases and just reduce the price of the BD/DVD by a couple bucks.

There are films I've held off on buying because I didn't want to choose between UHD and 3-D... Batman V Superman, Suicide Squad, Life of Pi, X:Men Apocalypse, and Indepenence Day: Resurgence. All of those titles are available in Japan on UHD/3D/BD combos along with The Martian and X-Men: Days of Future Past (both of which I'd like to upgrade). I intend to import all of them at some time in the near future.

With animated titles (like the recently released Storks and Secret Life of Pets) I was initially on the fence, as nowhere in the world does there exist a 4K/3D/BD combo. Ultimately, after doing some reading, I decided that while live action sourced from a 2K digital intermediate will look better on your UHD TV when the upscaling was done professionally by the studio rather than the algorithm in your player, the degree of difference probably isn't nearly as great when you're dealing with a player-upscaled animated film vs studio upscaling. So until there's an animated film which was really and truly rendered in 4K resolution, I'm just going to keep buying the 3-D combos without any teeth gnashing. That gives me a 3-D disc and a 2-D disc my player can upscale nearly as good as the job done for the UHD disc.

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Old 02-12-2017, 01:18 AM   #5
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I'm all for the 4K+3D combo even though I don't have a 4K player yet. I refuse to buy 2 different editions to get both. If I can only get one, 3D is going to win for me, especially if it is done well. It really saddens me that the industry seems to be moving away from it.
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Old 02-12-2017, 01:48 AM   #6
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the Lego Batman movie only has 2D and 4K versions announced but no 3D in sight (even though reviews of the 3D effects are positive).
bud_brigman posted FYI post# 12 in The Lego Batman Movie 3D thread that BestBuy has a Blu-ray 3D pre-order:
The LEGO Batman Movie [Includes Digital Copy] [3D] [Blu-ray] [Blu-ray/Blu-ray 3D] [2017] - Link


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Old 02-12-2017, 01:58 AM   #7
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I prefer the 3D+4K combo option as well.
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That would be a way to justify the high prices cuz u would get both formats... Im all aboard.
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Old 02-12-2017, 02:25 AM   #9
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I really don't care as long as 3-D is offered. If offering UHD (HDR) alongside 3-D is the best way to ensure sales to both niche markets can be accomplished profitably, then go ahead and do it.
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Old 02-12-2017, 06:42 AM   #10
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I'll take the UHD disc the same way I've taken the standard DVDs that have come with many 3D titles- I don't care about any 2D presentation of a 3D movie regardless of its resolution, but if they want to include it with the 3D disc then fine.
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Old 02-12-2017, 07:43 AM   #11
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I'm all for 4K + 3D releases. It sends the message that this is a premium release for those who care about quality and technology and is therefore sold at a premium price. Others can buy bluray/DVD.

It also helps stop this "us" v. "them" dichotomy that seems to be so rampant between the 4K and 3D fans as well as giving 3D Blu-ray a better chance of surviving.

Would also save me money on a personal note because I've purchased both versions of quite a few movies!
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:31 AM   #12
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I would just go: "About time!!"😊
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Ya know, I don't think I like the idea unless the cost was low enough. That's because IMO not every movie benefits from 3D and there are titles that I don't feel I'd need both versions of the movie on my shelf. If a film is a logical 3D film then you'd never watch the UHD version. If a film doesn't benefit much from 3D then you'd never watch the 3D version.
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If I have the 3d version of a film, I will not ever watch the 4k version. 4k is nice and all, but it isn't transformative like I find good 3d to be.

This may make sense though, but I suspect it would be used to charge absurd prices whilst no doubt only costing a few cents more.
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Old 02-12-2017, 03:01 PM   #15
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I don't currently own a 4K TV and if they're making them at the moment without 3D support, then I'd have to buy an older one, or by 2018 and beyond, hopefully new ones will be available. Only benefit I see is based on those here with 4K 3DTVs, who mention the clarity of the picture for 3D movies is much better.

Otherwise, if there is no other option, then yes, I rather have a 4K/3D combo set than nothing. But because other distributors still offer the regular blu ray 3D/blu ray option, I'd go for that every time not only because I don't own a 4K TV and enjoy 1080p, but also because there's the option of 3D blu ray movies retailing for $19.99 to 24.99 on release week instead of the starting price of $29.99 with current 4K UHD/3D prices.
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If I have the 3d version of a film, I will not ever watch the 4k version. 4k is nice and all, but it isn't transformative like I find good 3d to be.

This may make sense though, but I suspect it would be used to charge absurd prices whilst no doubt only costing a few cents more.
The only time I would disagree with this statement is when an extended version is offered. That would be cool to have in 4K while having the 3D for the theatrical.
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I love 3D and 4K. I don't understand why 3D has to be 1080p why not just 4K in 3D?
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I am with Revgen on this. Just so long as 3D is offered rather than being excluded into extinction.
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I love 3D and 4K. I don't understand why 3D has to be 1080p why not just 4K in 3D?
Well, none of the digital 3-D movies made during the current 3-D revival will ever be capable of true 4K resolution. 4K-3D camera rigs simply didn't exist, and IFAIK still don't unless some custom ones have been made since the 4K era really got going. Since 3D isn't part of the UHD spec, though, I doubt anyone's bothered... unless a filmmaker were just really desperate to film in 4K, but also wanted native 3-D for a separate 2K DI. A rig like that would be pretty bulky and expensive, though.

EDIT: Apparently, Ang Lee must've really wanted both. In looking at the (upcoming on 3-D & UHD Blu) Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk, it apparently qualifies as both native 3-D and true 4K. Not together on the same disc, of course, but they must've had some kind of dual 4K camera rig and then downconverted it to create a 2K 3-D version.

The older 3-D titles filmed on 35mm or 70mm IMAX would be capable of real 4K, but other than September Storm I'm not sure how many of those older titles actually got a 4K scan. I'd guess that most were done at 2K, and studios generally won't be interested in going back so soon and having that expensive process done again.

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I love 3D and 4K. I don't understand why 3D has to be 1080p why not just 4K in 3D?
Passive 1080P Full HD 3D is 4K! This was developed and in-use before 2D 4K.
It can and will only become 4K per-eye when an 8K screen is released.
Every UHD pixel on a 4K display is in-use for the highest passive 3D resolution possible.

No matter what super high definition resolution is created and used in the future, passive 3D will only be able to display half of the capability per each eye-view.

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