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Old 04-03-2018, 05:02 PM   #21
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OK, so unfortunately Oppo is going away forever. Now the question is, what are the alternatives? What other manufacturer makes a quality player that provides good support (in the U.S.) and can play most formats?
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Old 04-03-2018, 05:31 PM   #22
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Well all the steamers are getting their wishes a little at a time. Eventually physical discs will go away and we'll all be leasing content in the near future. Nice job....
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Old 04-03-2018, 05:33 PM   #23
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Well shit. I was likely going to go Oppo if/when my beloved Pioneer player finally goes tits up.

Now what?

Soon you won't be able to even get TV's anymore and we'll all be forced to stream movies on our shitty little iPhone screens.

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Old 04-03-2018, 05:35 PM   #24
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This is going to have massive repercussions in the high-end hardware market. I guess they saw the writing on the wall regarding physical media and decided it was time to pack it in before the market shrank even further.
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Well all the steamers are getting their wishes a little at a time. Eventually physical discs will go away and we'll all be leasing content in the near future. Nice job....
I asked Oppo specifically what caused this decision, and they said that no one factor contributed to it. Although the inroads made by streaming rentals may have played a part in it, I think it probably has more to do with the fact that unlike with DVD, the A/V quality difference between cheap and high-end BD players is almost non-existent. (Build quality and DVD playback are another issue, of course).

Remember that Oppo's players are aimed at enthusiasts, who don't care much for low-quality online video.

Given how good cheap BD players are, it makes it very hard for a smaller company (albeit one that's an offshot of a large Chinese corporation) to continue researching new HDR formats, BD-Java updates, and so on.

Panasonic clearly sees enough of a possibility for high end BD players - they're introducing one of their own. Perhaps that alone was enough for Oppo to surrender.
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Old 04-03-2018, 05:36 PM   #25
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Well shit. I was likely going to go Oppo if/when my beloved Pioneer player finally goes tits up.

Now what?

Soon you won't be able to even get TV's anymore and we'll all be forced to stream movies on our shitty little iPhone screens.

You know a lot of smartphone companies actually want that, even the streaming pundits here better be scared as that addiction is quite real.
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Old 04-03-2018, 05:37 PM   #26
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I asked Oppo specifically what caused this decision, and they said that no one factor contributed to it. Although the inroads made by streaming rentals may have played a part in it, I think it probably has more to do with the fact that unlike with DVD, the A/V quality difference between cheap and high-end BD players is almost non-existent. (Build quality and DVD playback are another issue, of course).

Given how good cheap BD players are, it makes it very hard for a smaller company (albeit one that's an offshot of a large Chinese corporation) to continue researching new HDR formats, BD-Java updates, and so on.

Panasonic clearly sees enough of a possibility for high end BD players - they're introducing one of their own. Perhaps that alone was enough for Oppo to surrender.
The cost of licensing and maintaining certain software, support etc is apparently perhaps the biggest factor in all this. (mentioned by an OPPO insider on another forum).
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Old 04-03-2018, 05:52 PM   #27
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Sad day in the AV world
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Old 04-03-2018, 05:55 PM   #28
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Well I just panic bought a UDP-205 to serve as a backup to my Pioneer BDP-85FD.

If and when my Panny Plasma craps out and I'm forced to buy a crappy 4k TV then at least I'll have a player ready to go.
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Old 04-03-2018, 06:23 PM   #29
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Well I just panic bought a UDP-205 to serve as a backup to my Pioneer BDP-85FD.

If and when my Panny Plasma craps out and I'm forced to buy a crappy 4k TV then at least I'll have a player ready to go.
Solid move man, I love my 203, may pick up a second for my living room while I can
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Old 04-03-2018, 06:34 PM   #30
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I’ve had a 203 for over a year, luckily no disc freezes like a few others have from time to time. Thinking about getting a 205 and setting up a home theater sometime soon.
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Old 04-03-2018, 06:38 PM   #31
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OK, so unfortunately Oppo is going away forever. Now the question is, what are the alternatives? What other manufacturer makes a quality player that provides good support (in the U.S.) and can play most formats?
Sony X1000ES and X800.
Panasonic next batch of players, the 9000 supreme next leader, and his right hand, the 820.
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Old 04-03-2018, 06:43 PM   #32
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We love and support our Oppos almost to death, like our children, like our families, like our favorite dishes, our favorite Cuban cigar, our best cure in days of downpour rain and snow.
We will survive, we always do, it's human nature, it's the force, it's Star Wars in 3D.
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Old 04-03-2018, 07:13 PM   #33
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I'm not panicking quite yet on the audio side. There are still manufacturers in the $1000 and up market catering to high-end audiophile hardware.

The video side is more troubling. It must take significant capital investment to improve UHD hardware and few companies these days are looking to take a gamble on a format that is never going to have the market penetration of DVD or even BD.
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Old 04-03-2018, 07:21 PM   #34
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I just ordered a 203. I am going to look at sending my 83 in to have the disc tray replaced.
Just got a shipping notice from Fedex.

Be interesting to check prices on ebay tonight.
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Old 04-03-2018, 07:37 PM   #35
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The video side is more troubling. It must take significant capital investment to improve UHD hardware
To play devils' advocate - what needs to be improved?
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Old 04-03-2018, 07:38 PM   #36
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Wow, sad news.

I just bought a mint Oppo 103D (with region-free adapter, box, etc.) used on Craigslist a month or so ago for $300.00.

Since I am big fan of multi-surround audio, I've been enjoying the player's ability to play SACD and have already purchased around a dozen SACD titles.

I was already enjoying Blu-ray audio and DVD-audio via my PS4.

Anyways, I wonder if I should pick up a new Oppo 203 sooner than later despite not having a 4K television yet.
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Old 04-03-2018, 07:39 PM   #37
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I'm not panicking quite yet on the audio side. There are still manufacturers in the $1000 and up market catering to high-end audiophile hardware.
Yeah, but there are only a few manufacturers of the DSD/chip decoders needed for such players. If volumes decrease, it could cause disruptions impacting many player manufacturers.
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Old 04-03-2018, 08:13 PM   #38
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Well, this is bad news. Even if Panasonic does release a nice high-end player in the future, there's nothing quite like an Oppo.

It is good news that they'll continue to provide firmware updates and warranty service, though. I may have to consider picking up a second 203.
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They seem to provide firmware updates for about three years after release, so we should at least get another two years support for the 20x players.
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get an Cambridge Audio player, it has the same internals as the Oppo.
They obviously won’t be making any more of those either, since no one will be supplying them with the “internals”.
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