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Old 07-25-2015, 10:42 PM   #1
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Default Current 3D Titles capability for UHD BD Specifications?

BLU-RAY NEWS AN ULTRA HD BLU-RAY UPDATE FROM THE BLU-RAY DISC ASSOCIATION

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Q: Are there any plans to incorporate 3D into the UHD BD spec as an add-on?

A (Victor Matsuda): No. Not at this time. Currently there is no 4K theatrical 3D content.

Q: From the technical side, what are the limitations with frame rate for HFR presentations, 3D, 4K and HDR? For example, will HFR 3D HDR 4K be possible? Or would there need to be limits on one or more of these options?

A (Victor Matsuda): There are no plans to for 4K 3D. The format supports frame rates up to 60fps.

Q: UHD BD means passive 2K 3D, correct? Can/will both 2D and 3D versions of a film that was 3D in theater be included on a single UHD BD release, or will there be separate 2D and 3D editions? Or will there be full 4K 3D releases? Can 3D be streamed in other words, will UHD BD be the only source for passive 3D content?

A (Victor Matsuda): The specification does not support 4K 3D. With respect to current 3D titles, playback of 3D content on Ultra HD Blu-ray players is not mandatory, but a manufacturer could choose to include this capability in its player.
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Old 07-26-2015, 03:24 AM   #2
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Interesting information. So if the studio elects 3D 4K, they can do it, but the Blu Ray 4K Association (Sony?) has zero plans to create the 3D option by default? I just glanced at the article.
Blu ray 3D became an option later on in large part by the MVC codec.

Not sure of the specifics yet.

------ The articles is suggesting that roughly by 2017, 50% of the US market will include 4K TVs.

Format Estimates:
Home Projector Film (-1900s to 1980s)
VHS 1980s (phased out in most stores around the early 2000s)
DVD 1990s (still going)
Blu Ray 2000s (still going)
4K Blu Ray 2010s

I enjoy Blu Ray 1080p very much (and even still enjoy DVD format from 1996 almost 20 years old now, though VHS in comparison, was too heavy and clunky with the tapes and weight of the tapes, and jamming of the tapes, etc, though I occasionally watch a VHS movie not transferred to DVD).
I started with blu ray in 2010, now 2015, so I don't have any plans to buy a 4K TV or 4K Player any time soon. At least not till 2020 or later.
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Old 07-26-2015, 03:36 AM   #3
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Doesnt sound good for the chances of 4K 3D blu discs
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Old 07-26-2015, 03:40 AM   #4
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Interesting information. So if the studio elects 3D 4K, they can do it, but the Blu Ray 4K Association (Sony?) has zero plans to create the 3D option by default? I just glanced at the article.
Blu ray 3D became an option later on in large part by the MVC codec.

Not sure of the specifics yet.

------ The articles is suggesting that roughly by 2017, 50% of the US market will include 4K TVs.

Format Estimates:
Home Projector Film (-1900s to 1980s)
VHS 1980s (phased out in most stores around the early 2000s)
DVD 1990s (still going)
Blu Ray 2000s (still going)
4K Blu Ray 2010s

I enjoy Blu Ray 1080p very much (and even still enjoy DVD format from 1996 almost 20 years old now, though VHS in comparison, was too heavy and clunky with the tapes and weight of the tapes, and jamming of the tapes, etc, though I occasionally watch a VHS movie not transferred to DVD).
I started with blu ray in 2010, now 2015, so I don't have any plans to buy a 4K TV or 4K Player any time soon. At least not till 2020 or later.
Yeah...I'm with you Zivouhr. I am much more interested in 3D blu ray and blu ray than 4K or 4K blu ray. That may change IF 4K gets more mainstream...but I'm quite content with what I got now
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Old 07-26-2015, 05:05 AM   #5
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Yeah...I'm with you Zivouhr. I am much more interested in 3D blu ray and blu ray than 4K or 4K blu ray. That may change IF 4K gets more mainstream...but I'm quite content with what I got now
Agree.
I was in the store and looking at the 4K sets and standing at a normal viewing distance, it is hard to see the difference from regular blu ray HD 1080p. Up close, it looks almost like a photo, but I'm not sure how many people sit 2 feet away from the screen to watch a movie to appreciate the Ultra High Definition.


Even so, if UHD takes off and does well in the next 5 years, I hope the 3D market continues with UHD3D, but more importantly, Blu Ray 3D too.
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Old 07-26-2015, 06:38 AM   #6
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I like my 4K set for one main thing: Full HD passive 3D.

I knew what I was getting with this one. If somehow 4K media takes off, I'm (somewhat) ready. But I'm fine having it be my 3D set primarily for now.
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[QUOTE=bud_brigman;11094511]I like my 4K set for one main thing: Full HD passive 3D.

Here's a link to a CNET article on 4K and passive 3D screens...

http://www.cnet.com/news/4k-tvs-with...-those-pixels/
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Old 07-26-2015, 08:08 PM   #8
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Here's a link to a CNET article on 4K and passive 3D screens...

http://www.cnet.com/news/4k-tvs-with...-those-pixels/
Thanks Active. Interesting sets available for 3D.

The guy who wrote the article isn't a fan of 3D by his remarks.
He starts by saying, "3D is all but dead" and his suggestion that passive 3D is significantly compromised in picture quality, which proves he doesn't watch 3D and if he does watch it on a passive set, he's sitting less than a yard away from the screen to notice. At a normal view of 4 to 5 feet away, Passive is just as good as Active IMO, owning both styles of 3D.
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Old 07-26-2015, 08:18 PM   #9
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Thanks Active. Interesting sets available for 3D.

The guy who wrote the article isn't a fan of 3D by his remarks.
What I thought he was saying is that 4K had no significant improvement from 1080P, until they added 3D with the passive feature.

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passive 3D TVs are virtually crosstalk-free.................

The benefits of 4K resolution are obvious...with passive 3D

At CNET we've spent a lot of time looking for appreciable benefits of 4K-resolution TVs, and so far we've come up pretty much empty............

When a 4K resolution TV uses passive 3D, however, the extra pixels play a much more obvious role. You still lose half the vertical resolution, but since there are so many more pixels, you can afford to lose it. 4K TVs (3,840x2,160-pixel resolution) with passive 3D, like the Toshiba L9300U, can still deliver greater than HD resolution in 3D, at 3,840x1,080 pixels per eye.

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A (Victor Matsuda): No. Not at this time. Currently there is no 4K theatrical 3D content.
With no 4K 3D content...... i don't see a need right away for a 4K 3D player.

If they want me to buy a new UHD BD player..... it will also have to support existing 3D BD discs.

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Old 07-27-2015, 01:28 AM   #11
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With no 4K 3D content...... i don't see a need right away for a 4K 3D player.

If they want me to buy a new UHD BD player..... it will also have to support existing 3D BD discs.

T-H-I-S!!!! 1000% agree
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The tvs automatically upscale anyways do they not?
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The tvs automatically upscale anyways do they not?
According to the C-net article "upscale" is only visibly apparent with close seating distance changes. The only "obvious" benefit for existing setups noted is the ability to resolve full 1080P passive Blu-ray 3D media.
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Last question & answer in the roundtable discussion:

BLU-RAY NEWS – AN ULTRA HD BLU-RAY UPDATE FROM THE BLU-RAY DISC ASSOCIATION

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A (Victor Matsuda): MVC is not supported in the ULTRA HD Blu-ray video specifications.
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Thanks Active. Interesting sets available for 3D.

The guy who wrote the article isn't a fan of 3D by his remarks.
He starts by saying, "3D is all but dead" and his suggestion that passive 3D is significantly compromised in picture quality, which proves he doesn't watch 3D and if he does watch it on a passive set, he's sitting less than a yard away from the screen to notice. At a normal view of 4 to 5 feet away, Passive is just as good as Active IMO, owning both styles of 3D.
The typical ads pushed to the public all tried to say that 4K had higher resolution, which is a small part of the specification. The whole pushback from the magazine hacks and naysayers all begin with, "Your nose has to touch the screen to see the difference..."


If you're not sure, go anywhere that has quality displays with native 4K content playing on a 4K set. You will be able to see the difference, easily, just walking down the aisle, at an eight foot distance or so.


It's not just resolution - easily apparent - but color, and with HDR, brightness, too. Unfortunately, the industry is not looking for a repeat of the initial 3-D rollout, and the sour taste that followed when it floundered, because the increased brightness rate (and higher throughput) of 4K could be of real advantage to 3-D. Even stock 3-D at 1080p would do well with the resolution increase, and it's a shame it will not be able to benefit from the higher brightness and color gamut.


The new 4K sets may not be much better for standard 3-D viewing, other than for passive glasses users. It's too bad 4K blew off the standard - producers will be interested in the 4K upgrade, and won't do much with 3-D from this point on in terms of visual enhancement.
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He didn't really answer anything about 2K 3D or 2K HFR 3D on UHD discs. Just reiterated that 4K 3D content does not exist, so no plans to support it.
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Well, at least 3D benefits from the brightness of the 2015 UHD sets that can do HDR. I have a JS9500 and was relieved to have that brightness.
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This looks like no big deal since 3D BR's (all BR's for that matter) already look extraordinary when done right!

Full resolution passive is going to be awesome too!
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I own a Samsung js8500 and the 3d from a standard bluray looks even better on this set when compared to my Panasonic plasma, which I though was top notch. The brightness the Samsung provides helps me see detail that was never noticed when playing my plasma. The added detail gives an impression of greater depth, you feel as if you are drawn further into the picture.
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I own a Samsung js8500 and the 3d from a standard bluray looks even better on this set when compared to my Panasonic plasma, which I though was top notch. The brightness the Samsung provides helps me see detail that was never noticed when playing my plasma. The added detail gives an impression of greater depth, you feel as if you are drawn further into the picture.

How does the crosstalk compare between your two TVs?
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