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View Poll Results: Which version of Star Wars Blu-ray will you be purchasing (or not)?
The Complete Star Wars Saga 1,335 72.48%
The Prequel Box Set 20 1.09%
The Original Trilogy Box Set 110 5.97%
Not Purchasing Star Wars Blu-ray 377 20.47%
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Old 08-09-2018, 03:23 AM   #65721
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Return of the Jedi was my favorite as a kid because of the fight between Vader and Luke. Itís hard to choose which one I enjoy the most these days. I usually watch them back to back to back when I get the Star Wars itch.
The Luke-Vader stuff from ROTJ is actually the one part that holds up well enough to be solid, IMO.
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Old 08-09-2018, 03:27 AM   #65722
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The Luke-Vader stuff from ROTJ is actually the one part that holds up well enough to be solid, IMO.
It's my favorite part of the entire Star Wars saga outside of the Battle of Hoth and the asteroid field.
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Old 08-09-2018, 01:01 PM   #65723
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I have always loved Return Of The Jedi. Never had a problem with the Ewoks. I have also come to enjoy the Prequels a lot more recently. Loved TFA, Rogue One and Solo but am a bit iffy on The Last Jedi.

Age hasn't been kind to the special effects in the prequels but it has been kind to them in regards to the story they tell. I've always enjoyed them but I found myself enjoying them even more on a marathon rewatch before The Last Jedi hit theaters. I think the stuff I want out of these stories evolved over time. As a whole that trilogy tells a great back story that also benefits from the thrill of discovery (the first time we see R2D2 and C-3PO, the first time we see Obi-Wan, the moment Anakin walked away from his mother while we, the audience, knows what the future holds for him).

I think the hate for those movies has diminished in recent years. I see a lot less vitriol and a lot more folks saying that they really enjoy those movies.
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Old 08-09-2018, 01:16 PM   #65724
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Old 08-10-2018, 02:11 AM   #65725
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Age hasn't been kind to the special effects in the prequels but it has been kind to them in regards to the story they tell. I've always enjoyed them but I found myself enjoying them even more on a marathon rewatch before The Last Jedi hit theaters. I think the stuff I want out of these stories evolved over time. As a whole that trilogy tells a great back story that also benefits from the thrill of discovery (the first time we see R2D2 and C-3PO, the first time we see Obi-Wan, the moment Anakin walked away from his mother while we, the audience, knows what the future holds for him).

I think the hate for those movies has diminished in recent years. I see a lot less vitriol and a lot more folks saying that they really enjoy those movies.
I follow some Star Wars blogs on tumblr (I know, right?) that have helped deepened my appreciation for the prequels and made my love for Rogue One even more passionate. A lot of folks will do little screengrab edits, where they compare scenes and point out parallels in all the movies (including the new stuff) and it helps make the rougher spots of the prequels go down a little easier.

I do think some of the prequel hate is dying down, though it seems to be shifting towards the new movies instead. I wish we could say we didn't like Rose Tico as a character, without people attacking Kelly Marie Tran on social media like they do.

But I do think you're starting to see more fans that are embracing all the movies and the two modern animated shows as one big, happy (dysfunctional) family and are easing up on the hate.
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Old 08-10-2018, 02:38 AM   #65726
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STAR WARS, THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and RETURN OF THE JEDI. Original theatrical versions only.
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:42 AM   #65727
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the only people that were "attacking" Tan were actual Chinese. There is a huge "thing" with them and a certain race and the way she was depicted on screen made them lash out at her. Granted, it shouldn't have been her they were aiming their criticisms at, but the writers, director and casting director.
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:43 AM   #65728
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:49 AM   #65729
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:45 AM   #65730
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I have always loved Return Of The Jedi. Never had a problem with the Ewoks. I have also come to enjoy the Prequels a lot more recently. Loved TFA, Rogue One and Solo but am a bit iffy on The Last Jedi.
Same. I never even knew so many people had a problem with them until the internet became huge.
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:09 AM   #65731
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As a kid I always liked ROTJ the best, probably because the five year old girl who loved bears is naturally going to like the movie where they save the day. Not to mention it being the movie where Leia had the most action; there weren't a lot of movies back then with strong female characters that I could watch at that age (and I didn't care about the outfit or the sex slave stuff- I wouldn't have even realized what was going on).

It's still a favorite today, I'd say Empire beats it but it's definitely up there. I definitely don't appreciate how it was "altered" but it's watchable. I do like having the mute button handy near the end, though. (I will say though Oola's actress aged pretty nicely to be able to reprise her role.)
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:24 AM   #65732
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I don't mind most of ROTJ's alterations, like blinking Ewoks and roaming herds of Bantha... but Vader's "noooo" at the end is the most obvious "screw you" from creator to fans that I've ever seen. So idiotic. And the Jedi Rocks sequence is literally unwatchable, to me. And I mean "literally" literally. As in: I don't watch it. Whenever I watch ROTJ, I press the "next chapter" button as soon as Jabba says "play that tune again", and WHOOSH, the party is interrupted by Boush bringing in Chewbacca. Works great. (I similarly skip over the first Vader scene in ROGUE ONE and absolutely plan to skip the
[Show spoiler]DARTH MAUL nonsense
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:26 AM   #65733
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I don't mind most of ROTJ's alterations, like blinking Ewoks and roaming herds of Bantha... but Vader's "noooo" at the end is the most obvious "screw you" from creator to fans that I've ever seen. So idiotic. And the Jedi Rocks sequence is literally unwatchable, to me. And I mean "literally" literally. As in: I don't watch it. Whenever I watch ROTJ, I press the "next chapter" button as soon as Jabba says "play that tune again", and WHOOSH, the party is interrupted by Boush bringing in Chewbacca. Works great. (I similarly skip over the first Vader scene in ROGUE ONE and absolutely plan to skip the
[Show spoiler]DARTH MAUL nonsense
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Yep. This mostly^
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:52 AM   #65734
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I don't mind most of ROTJ's alterations, like blinking Ewoks and roaming herds of Bantha... but Vader's "noooo" at the end is the most obvious "screw you" from creator to fans that I've ever seen. So idiotic. And the Jedi Rocks sequence is literally unwatchable, to me. And I mean "literally" literally. As in: I don't watch it. Whenever I watch ROTJ, I press the "next chapter" button as soon as Jabba says "play that tune again", and WHOOSH, the party is interrupted by Boush bringing in Chewbacca. Works great. (I similarly skip over the first Vader scene in ROGUE ONE and absolutely plan to skip the
[Show spoiler]DARTH MAUL nonsense
when I own SOLO.)
Regarding the spoiler:

[Show spoiler]I haven't even seen that movie and I don't understand why they needed to put that stuff in.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:07 AM   #65735
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I don't mind most of ROTJ's alterations, like blinking Ewoks and roaming herds of Bantha... but Vader's "noooo" at the end is the most obvious "screw you" from creator to fans that I've ever seen. So idiotic. And the Jedi Rocks sequence is literally unwatchable, to me. And I mean "literally" literally. As in: I don't watch it. Whenever I watch ROTJ, I press the "next chapter" button as soon as Jabba says "play that tune again", and WHOOSH, the party is interrupted by Boush bringing in Chewbacca. Works great. (I similarly skip over the first Vader scene in ROGUE ONE and absolutely plan to skip the
[Show spoiler]DARTH MAUL nonsense
when I own SOLO.)
I'm a fan and I'm fine with the "noooooo". I was fine without it too though.

Jedi Rocks makes me sad.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:24 AM   #65736
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Same. I never even knew so many people had a problem with them until the internet became huge.
I remember the Ewoks being hated when Return of the Jedi first came out, as an 8 year old it didn't bother me. But I recall my older cousins moaning about it being a kids movie
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Old 08-10-2018, 02:54 PM   #65737
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:15 PM   #65738
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:52 PM   #65739
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As a kid I always liked ROTJ the best, probably because the five year old girl who loved bears is naturally going to like the movie where they save the day. Not to mention it being the movie where Leia had the most action; there weren't a lot of movies back then with strong female characters that I could watch at that age (and I didn't care about the outfit or the sex slave stuff- I wouldn't have even realized what was going on).

It's still a favorite today, I'd say Empire beats it but it's definitely up there. I definitely don't appreciate how it was "altered" but it's watchable. I do like having the mute button handy near the end, though. (I will say though Oola's actress aged pretty nicely to be able to reprise her role.)
My GF is the same way with the Ewoks. She still thinks they're cute and especially like the babies. lol

But we both agree that Leia's characterization was poor once they escaped Jabba's palace. She's a military leader in both SW and ESB but is relegated to a support role during the Endor mission. Would have been more appropriate to have her playing something like Mon Mothma's, Ackbar's or Han's role during the assault. On a related note, it felt like a missed opportunity putting Han on the ground instead of up in the Falcon. The ground assault team configuration in general feels like a ham-fisted attempt to get the gang together again for one last adventure IMO.

Leia's also made much softer on Endor. While it's true that characters can evolve, this didn't feel very earned. Combine it with her apparent decrease in status for the assault and she's essentially turned into a wife/mother role for the second half of the film complete with her interacting with the Ewok like he's a child. Han's character, and Ford's acting IMO, is also sub-par on Endor. He's given the emotional intelligence of a teenager when interacting with Leia, which is especially frustrating after the incredible 'I know' moment from ESB. He also just doesn't have much to do on Endor with Luke and Leia's speeder chase and Chewie's hijacking of the AT-ST the most interesting action set-pieces down there. As I said above, he'd have been better used up in the Falcon (perhaps with both Chewie and Lando as co-pilots).

Spoilering the last paragraph since it kind of veers into rant territory:
[Show spoiler]So yeah, I really don't think highly of the Endor sequences and that's not even taking the Ewoks into consideration. lol I still love ROTJ but that's mostly because I think the throne room stuff has the best writing and acting of the trilogy (McDiarmid is of course ridiculously good but I don't think Hamill gets the credit he deserves for his portrayal of Luke's growth into a mature Jedi) The way it's capped off with Vader's redemption, death scene and the subsequent funeral pyre/victory celebration/Force ghosts gets me to tear up every damned time. The insertion of the 'Noooooooo!' and Young Anakin ghost into the blu-ray SE are particularly unforgivable for me given how strong the original was during that stretch. Fortunately I have the Despecialized editions now and can finally watch these great films again.
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:13 PM   #65740
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I don't mind most of ROTJ's alterations, like blinking Ewoks and roaming herds of Bantha... but Vader's "noooo" at the end is the most obvious "screw you" from creator to fans that I've ever seen. So idiotic. And the Jedi Rocks sequence is literally unwatchable, to me. And I mean "literally" literally. As in: I don't watch it. Whenever I watch ROTJ, I press the "next chapter" button as soon as Jabba says "play that tune again", and WHOOSH, the party is interrupted by Boush bringing in Chewbacca. Works great. (I similarly skip over the first Vader scene in ROGUE ONE and absolutely plan to skip the
[Show spoiler]DARTH MAUL nonsense
when I own SOLO.)
I agree about Vader's noooo. It actually makes me not want to watch the Blu-Ray. The movie looks great in HD but many times I don't watch it when I remember that scene.
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