Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I just look on that argument as silly. No one wants to be totally isolated while there is some power grid outage where you can't monitor whats wrong. The time that you do have a normal power outage for a hour or two, you might watch one or two films, but I can do that on a iPad using its battery for several hours without the expenditure of a solar and backup battery. If anything just get out of the house and enjoy the day. If its happening at night go to bed!

You have taken a wrong turn here, my friend. Please take the next exit.

Originally Posted by JohnAV

my avatar says sf Bay Area (San Francisco Bay Area), think of it as a southern version of Vancouver, just a lot easier to live year around.

We've been to California 3 years ago and also visited San Francisco.
I always thought SF was one of the richer cities with very little crime because of the IT and tech companies based there with their high income citizens.
But the amount of homeless people there was staggering.We even had to step over them in the doorway when leaving the motel.
And near the park there was a car with a smashed in window with everything stolen from it.
Otherwise nice city though. Even saw Blade Runner 2049 there in theatres.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

You have taken a wrong turn here, my friend. Please take the next exit.



We've been to California 3 years ago and also visited San Francisco.
I always thought SF was one of the richer cities with very little crime because of the IT and tech companies based there with their high income citizens.
But the amount of homeless people there was staggering.We even had to step over them in the doorway when leaving the motel.
And near the park there was a car with a smashed in window with everything stolen from it.
Otherwise nice city though. Even saw Blade Runner 2049 there in theatres.

Exactly. It’s the road to nowhere.

[bhampton]

Thoroughly enjoyed Birds of Prey.

If UHD BD is the future home video format then I'm in.

I'm looking at all my online movies and hunting any of them on disc because I just enjoy having the actual hard copy.

[Boccaccio]

Is this the future that some thought it would be after the "massive success" of Trolls World Tour ?

https://www.indiewire.com/2020/05/st...al-1202232906/

Granted, the movie itself doesn't look too good but it still has a long way to go before it even makes a tiny amount of profit.

Maybe Universal should think twice before releasing more movies on VOD.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

Is this the future that some thought it would be after the "massive success" of Trolls World Tour ?

https://www.indiewire.com/2020/05/st...al-1202232906/

Granted, the movie itself doesn't look too good but it still has a long way to go before it even makes a tiny amount of profit.

Maybe Universal should think twice before releasing more movies on VOD.

Yep, theatrical is always going to be needed. This is really about the tussle to get shorter theatrical windows, nothing else.

I can see a shorter cinema run happening. Three weeks and then premium VOD, followed by normal rentals or buy option four months later.
That way, people can decide if they want the big screen communal experience or not.

[bhampton]

Thinking of setting up a day time dive in move.

Pool is clean, weather is Devine, I have floats, I'm going to take the 43" 1080p I have for video games and the new PA system I bought for the pool and set something up.

I usually use a projector but being able to do it in the middle of the day may be fun for a change.

-Brian

[cpr3584]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Thoroughly enjoyed Birds of Prey.

If UHD BD is the future home video format then I'm in.

I'm looking at all my online movies and hunting any of them on disc because I just enjoy having the actual hard copy.

Me too. I have no concerns about the format dying out now that both sony and microsoft will have 4K BD on the next consoles. I actually predict discs will sell at a higher rate when the ps5 and xbox come out. alot of ps4 and xbox one owners like myself dont have 4k drives on their console.

[cpr3584]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Thinking of setting up a day time dive in move.

Pool is clean, weather is Devine, I have floats, I'm going to take the 43" 1080p I have for video games and the new PA system I bought for the pool and set something up.

I usually use a projector but being able to do it in the middle of the day may be fun for a change.

-Brian

sounds awesome!

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Thoroughly enjoyed Birds of Prey.

If UHD BD is the future home video format then I'm in.

I'm looking at all my online movies and hunting any of them on disc because I just enjoy having the actual hard copy.

The irony is that the digital HD sounds way better than the disc. Seems like WB pulled a Disney and mastered the sound way too low on the 4k disc.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

The irony is that the digital HD sounds way better than the disc. Seems like WB pulled a Disney and mastered the sound way too low on the 4k disc.

You can turn it up you know ? I have no desire to watch the Digital HD version but it may be interesting to compare. I didn't think I was hearing bad audio from the UHD. Maybe the sound is mixed for playback in a full range system and not super hot for bluetooth headphone earbuds where every sound has to be 80%.

Meanwhile my TV can't compete with the current sunny ... maybe this afternoon though. Nothing says summer like a monster movie in the pool.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by bhampton

You can turn it up you know ? I have no desire to watch the Digital HD version but it may be interesting to compare. I didn't think I was hearing bad audio from the UHD. Maybe the sound is mixed for playback in a full range system and not super hot for bluetooth headphone earbuds where every sound has to be 80%.

Meanwhile my TV can't compete with the current sunny ... maybe this afternoon though. Nothing says summer like a monster movie in the pool.

That's not the point, though. It's not like they turned up the digital HD. The disc was mastered low. Some say it's lackluster. I don't have the 4K disc, only the digital 4k, and it's a stellar release. A buddy of mine who is obsessed with BOP hates the audio on the 4K and is pissed that someone fell asleep at the mixing board.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

That's not the point, though. It's not like they turned up the digital HD. The disc was mastered low. Some say it's lackluster. I don't have the 4K disc, only the digital 4k, and it's a stellar release. A buddy of mine who is obsessed with BOP hates the audio on the 4K and is pissed that someone fell asleep at the mixing board.

Feel bad for your buddy, maybe they will re-issue a version he likes better. I enjoyed it and the Audio got a 4 stars in the review on here.

Nice thing is the UHD came with the Digital 4K so if I ever do want to compare them I can. Actually I can compare the Vudu to iTunes to UHD and all that but I'll leave that for others who do that sort of stuff. Tell your buddy to look for the code in the UHD case unless he's the guy you bought it from.


-Brian

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

The irony is that the digital HD sounds way better than the disc. Seems like WB pulled a Disney and mastered the sound way too low on the 4k disc.

Only to those that can not appreciate a wider dynamic range. Most movies headed to theater have a fairly good dynamic range, movies headed to home use usually have some re-mixing and compression/limiting applied. Many sound tracks have way too much compression/limiting applied and in many cases compression/limiting is applied without engaging the 50 or 75 µsec pre-emphasis which means the spectral balance is skewed.

A sound track with very limited dynamic range will be just that and sound fairly loud most of the time. A wider dynamic range will have an average that is lower but greater impact for the louder parts.

Have not watched but you may find this useful:

Audio dynamic range - YouTube

[bhampton]

I'm thinking that's definitely the case here.

I have audio files from old CDs that sound very low when compared to what passes for music now. The secret is they are mastered to have a larger dynamic range. You can reduce the dynamic range and some gear can do this on the fly with a night time mode.

-Brian

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

We've been to California 3 years ago and also visited San Francisco.
I always thought SF was one of the richer cities with very little crime because of the IT and tech companies based there with their high income citizens.
But the amount of homeless people there was staggering.We even had to step over them in the doorway when leaving the motel.
And near the park there was a car with a smashed in window with everything stolen from it.
Otherwise nice city though. Even saw Blade Runner 2049 there in theatres.

The San Francisco Bay Area (referred to locally as the Bay Area) is a populous region surrounding the San Francisco and San Pablo estuaries in Northern California. The region encompasses the major cities and metropolitan areas of San Jose, San Francisco, and Oakland, along with smaller urban and rural areas. The Bay Area's nine counties are Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, Napa, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Solano, and Sonoma. Home to approximately 7.68 million people, the nine-county Bay Area contains many cities, towns, airports, and associated regional, state, and national parks, connected by a network of roads, highways, railroads, bridges, tunnels, and commuter rail. The combined statistical area of the region is the second-largest in California (after the Greater Los Angeles area), the fifth-largest in the United States, and the 43rd-largest urban area in the world with 8.80 million people.

I never said the city of San Francisco, which like any older city has homeless in some parts, the bulk of the San Francisco Bay Area is very expensive to live in and residential. This is also where Silicon Valley is located with thousands of tech companies. We have everything from vast winery’s to magnificent redwoods which if all you did was fly into older SF and that is you impression, that’s unfortunate.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bhampton

You can reduce the dynamic range and some gear can do this on the fly with a night time mode.

Yes, I had forgot about that. My AVP (CX-A5100), Oppo UDP-203 and Sony UBP-X1000 all have a night mode or DRC (Dynamic Range Control). During initial setup of all my hardware these are disabled and never used.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Only to those that can not appreciate a wider dynamic range. Most movies headed to theater have a fairly good dynamic range, movies headed to home use usually have some re-mixing and compression/limiting applied. Many sound tracks have way too much compression/limiting applied and in many cases compression/limiting is applied without engaging the 50 or 75 µsec pre-emphasis which means the spectral balance is skewed.

A sound track with very limited dynamic range will be just that and sound fairly loud most of the time. A wider dynamic range will have an average that is lower but greater impact for the louder parts.

This over emphasis of utilizing Dolby Atmos for immersive audio effects experience has butchered audio accuracy hasn’t it?

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I never said the city of San Francisco, which like any older city has homeless in some parts, the bulk of the San Francisco Bay Area is very expensive to live in and residential. This is also where Silicon Valley is located with thousands of tech companies. We have everything from vast winery’s to magnificent redwoods which if all you did was fly into older SF and that is you impression, that’s unfortunate.

You have everything ... except affordable housing

I lived in SF for many years but left to buy a house.

I know people who have homes purchased long ago and they used to be much cheaper.... like reasonable.


-Brian

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by bhampton

You have everything ... except affordable housing
I lived in SF for many years but left to buy a house.
I know people who have homes purchased long ago and they used to be much cheaper.... like reasonable.

-Brian

Yes it was, it got messed up when Silicon Valley became the technological gold rush. But it wasn't until Silicon Valley firms started hiring other countries brightest minds that this area suddenly became super desirable to invest in by the richest Asian, Indian subcontinent, European families out there. A lot moved here if they could which created a real estate valuation boom. But like all larger population areas, it becomes a issue of how far can you commute from to work here versus what you can afford. A lot commute daily from Central Valley where home prices are a lot more reasonable.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

my avatar says sf Bay Area (San Francisco Bay Area), think of it as a southern version of Vancouver, just a lot easier to live year around.

I know, that is why in 2 I tried to explain that in cold climates a backup is very much worth it (in 98 I had to move out of my house because we lost power for 5 days- and some others for over a month) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Januar...ican_ice_storm. But just a few kilometers can make a difference for #1. Downton Montreal all the electricity is below ground, so the weather does not affect it. Where I live in the suburbs electricity gets to my house on something like



even in the summer the only way for it to stop working is if there is a terrible storm outside with a lot of wind, rain an or lightning. So enjoying the outdoors is not realistic.