Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

What rock have you been under? 100Base-T has been available since 1995, 802.11g has been available since 2003 so personal LAN with 100 Mbps wired and 54 Mbps wireless has been available for many years. Both can handle the data rates of all the SVOD, AVOD and digital lockers for 1 (or more) stream. As you can see my TCL TV, connected wireless, shows a speed of 97 Mbps. Several times the speed needed for streaming.

For those that use it a 100Base-T port will suffice just fine for 99% of the users.

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No Rock just Pure Stream, that's all I need for now. With my Symmetrical 75/75 I have no complaints. You guys are the ones that say with Streaming you see problems, and probably the ones with WiFi see the most. Yes WiFi Specs can handle the Speeds and Data Rates, but with drops in Signal they fall way below Hardwired Ethernet especially Fiber!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

No Rock just Pure Stream, that's all I need for now. With my Symmetrical 75/75 I have no complaints. You guys are the ones that say with Streaming you see problems, and probably the ones with WiFi see the most. Yes WiFi Specs can handle the Speeds and Data Rates, but with drops in Signal they fall way below Hardwired Ethernet especially Fiber!

The problems we see relate to restricted bit rates on the likes of Netflix, Amazon etc..
It’s THEIR end not ours. Amazon are improving but often I see really bad banding and picture break up in dark backgrounds. This is blatantly because of low bitrates imo. The actual sharpness and clarity in general has improved in a big way and their 4K stuff looks decent 70% of the time. Those problems really drag it down though and completely take me out of the show I’m watching.

Netflix work wonders with their bit rates but artefacts are really obvious on pretty much every show, even their flagship ‘Stranger Things’, which generally looks quite good.

Limitations are limitations. It’s the same limitations I see at home, at friends and when using complimentary service on holiday.

Apple are the best quality and wireless or wired, the quality is a step above most streaming services.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

No Rock just Pure Stream, that's all I need for now. With my Symmetrical 75/75 I have no complaints. You guys are the ones that say with Streaming you see problems, and probably the ones with WiFi see the most. Yes WiFi Specs can handle the Speeds and Data Rates, but with drops in Signal they fall way below Hardwired Ethernet especially Fiber!

My ISP itself causes all of my "drops in signal" and my computer is hard wired to the internet. My connection speeds are about 490 Mbps down one moment and 3 Mbps the next. Add in random momentary complete disconnects and it gets even more fun. My connectivity issues are entirely caused by my ISP. I get the same unreliable results on either my wired or my wireless networks.

Reliance upon the internet for entertainment simply sucks, at least in rural areas like mine where you have a single broadband provider that doesn't give one flying duck about providing stable service. Duck rhymes with what I meant to type.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

No Rock just Pure Stream, that's all I need for now. With my Symmetrical 75/75 I have no complaints. You guys are the ones that say with Streaming you see problems, and probably the ones with WiFi see the most. Yes WiFi Specs can handle the Speeds and Data Rates, but with drops in Signal they fall way below Hardwired Ethernet especially Fiber!

You stay in a perpetual state of confusion about streaming speeds that no one else here seems to have a problem with.

Look at the screen shot below (not mine). Apple HUD shows the network bandwidth as 475.27 Mbps while the average bit rate for video is 14.87 Mbps. In certain conditions video with those bit rates could and does produce aberrations. Don't know what the originator was watching or when but the video bit rate is a fair amount higher than I see from most providers nowadays for HD video.

Ever watch any content with integer frame rates? Try The Crown on Netflix.

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[alchav21]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Yeah, but it would have been awesome if this had gotten a theatrical release, as well.

It is John Campea saw it three days ago, so it's out in Theaters now.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by alchav21

It is John Campea saw it three days ago, so it's out in Theaters now.

He saw it at a press screening. Press screenings are only for the press, not the general public. It is not in theaters now. I know The Aero Theater in Santa Monica will screen it on the big screen next Thursday and Friday. There will be these limited 1-2 night engagements elsewhere I suspect, but will not be released to general theaters.

* and we're talking about Prey

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The problems we see relate to restricted bit rates on the likes of Netflix, Amazon etc..
It’s THEIR end not ours. Amazon are improving but often I see really bad banding and picture break up in dark backgrounds. This is blatantly because of low bitrates imo. The actual sharpness and clarity in general has improved in a big way and their 4K stuff looks decent 70% of the time. Those problems really drag it down though and completely take me out of the show I’m watching.

Netflix work wonders with their bit rates but artefacts are really obvious on pretty much every show, even their flagship ‘Stranger Things’, which generally looks quite good.

Limitations are limitations. It’s the same limitations I see at home, at friends and when using complimentary service on holiday.

Apple are the best quality and wireless or wired, the quality is a step above most streaming services.

Itunes streaming and Movies anywhere (USA only) are two sVoD that use a slightly higher bit rate (32 Mbps peak) for 4K streams. Generally anything watched online from subscription sites is a lower bitrate (<20 Mbps peak) for 4K streams. So yes you may watch what looks good on Amazon Prime, Netflix, or Disney +, and usually the HD or 4K content you get on BD or 4K BD disk is a lot better PQ/AQ when compared.

I tend to use streaming to audition content before buying the disks as well as go by various reviews.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

You stay in a perpetual state of confusion about streaming speeds that no one else here seems to have a problem with.

Look at the screen shot below (not mine). Apple HUD shows the network bandwidth as 475.27 Mbps while the average bit rate for video is 14.87 Mbps. In certain conditions video with those bit rates could and does produce aberrations. Don't know what the originator was watching or when but the video bit rate is a fair amount higher than I see from most providers nowadays for HD video.

Ever watch any content with integer frame rates? Try The Crown on Netflix.

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Your right that he seems to forget that its not about latency to a web server, but the load of that server that causes occasional pauses with it being served to many clients. Also avoids discussing other maladies that happen to web hosts. Too much the car salesman I guess.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Your right that he seems to forget that its not about latency to a web server, but the load of that server that causes occasional pauses with it being served to many clients. Also avoids discussing other maladies that happen to web hosts. Too much the car salesman I guess.

He definitely tends to think that the ISP alone determines the quality, or lack thereof, of our streaming experiences. The ISP is just one link in a long chain and in my case my ISP's link is a twisty-tie from a bread wrapper.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

He definitely tends to think that the ISP alone determines the quality, or lack thereof, of our streaming experiences. The ISP is just one link in a long chain and in my case my ISP's link is a twisty-tie from a bread wrapper.

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[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Itunes streaming and Movies anywhere (USA only) are two sVoD that use a slightly higher bit rate (32 Mbps peak) for 4K streams. Generally anything watched online from subscription sites is a lower bitrate (<20 Mbps peak) for 4K streams. So yes you may watch what looks good on Amazon Prime, Netflix, or Disney +, and usually the HD or 4K content you get on BD or 4K BD disk is a lot better PQ/AQ when compared.

I tend to use streaming to audition content before buying the disks as well as go by various reviews.

Yeah, I don’t think it’s a big secret disk is better.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Your right that he seems to forget that its not about latency to a web server, but the load of that server that causes occasional pauses with it being served to many clients. Also avoids discussing other maladies that happen to web hosts.

We have explained several times that compression artifacts in the video that is stored on the CDN is fixed. No amount of fiber, symmetrical, 10Gb, etc. access is going to change what is stored at the CDN. The content quality on the CDN’s is at a level for the masses not pixel peepers and videophiles. Lee has even pointed this out on more than one occasion.

He has the major problem of not seeing what some others see therefore believes they must have a problem he does not have.

Too much the car salesman I guess.

That was funny. He certainly does have repetition, must be a case of an untruth repeated often enough becomes true to the one doing the repeating.

[sapiendut]

Using his logic my 1 gbps connection would make my Netflix look better than disc.

[Steedeel]

Amazon has had a facelift. No option to buy films (not that I ever would), more straightforward interface and menu with just Prime stuff and Freevee (films with ads) now integrated into Prime more clearly.

Looks more impactful with larger tiles etc.,

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Using his logic my 1 gbps connection would make my Netflix look better than disc.

Only if you are hardwired, tho. That's the key.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Only if you are hardwired, tho. That's the key.

Oh boy, you are in trouble, you forgot Symmetrical!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Amazon has had a facelift. No option to buy films (not that I ever would), more straightforward interface and menu with just Prime stuff and Freevee (films with ads) now integrated into Prime more clearly.

Noticed that last night using the Roku Ultra but did not check it out.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Oh boy, you are in trouble, you forgot Symmetrical!

Actually, it is symmetrical up and down 1 gbps AND I hardwire everything in the house except for my mobile devices. Even my Sonos are all hardwired…


Oooooh! That’s why my MP3 sounds like hi-res on my Sonos.

[crutzulee]

Really looking forward to seeing PREY in a couple of days...and NOPE sooner than later given it's large week over week drop off.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Noticed that last night using the Roku Ultra but did not check it out.

The integrated Feeevee service seems to be full of previous Prime instant video stuff, just now with ads.

There is some live stuff on there also though.