Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

Nope. Have a big backlog so it'll be a while before I get around to it. Will share my thoughts here when I do though.

Amazon had the UHD BD for like $5.99 so I just purchased it.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Hollywood’s Next Reckoning: Studios Get Real About Runaway Spending on Streaming

Sure hope streamers do not start employing canceling tactics like cable, satellite, SiriusXM and others. I have several subs that I start, watch what I want then cancel. Do not do this for Prime because of shipping, for Netflix I switch between the low and high tier (without ads).

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Sure hope streamers do not start employing canceling tactics like cable, satellite, SiriusXM and others. I have several subs that I start, watch what I want then cancel. Do not do this for Prime because of shipping, for Netflix I switch between the low and high tier (without ads).

Almost a cert I would say.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Seriously though, when those services eventually go away, and people start asking for refunds and get told "no, you never actually 'owned' it;" will it kick off a tidal wave of class-action lawsuits?

Haven't we been here before?

When Sony closed down their Video store FMP-X1 and FMP-X10 owners lost access to content they had purchased and downloaded to the device HDD. Some tried to get a group class action going till I posted the TOS/EULA that we all had signed.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Hollywood’s Next Reckoning: Studios Get Real About Runaway Spending on Streaming

https://variety.com/2023/tv/features...ng-1235483366/

Great read. Thanks for sharing.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by bhampton

ok so I'll ask again and if no one responds the second time I'll take the hint,

We have some professional predictors here so which will go away first ...

Subscription services
Online Movie services
Physical Media

I have Star wars on D+, own it on iTunes and have the UHD BD. Which will I lose first?

I'm betting online movie lockers are the first to go and the only thing in danger of being replaced by subscriptions. Subscriptions is the new cable.

Also, personally I think piracy will be considered cyber crime and become less common and far more dangerous for the end user. Everything is driven by pure greed now so piracy will be an easy target.

And on that topic, Alchav can you tell me more about your IPTV DVR? Is it legit? DRM maintained ? If your a movie pirate it's going to affect how I value your opinions and theories about home video.

-Brian

Your UHD will definitely last the longest. Unless you sell it, it will never disappear.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Availability on streaming services will still be important as will licensing to other studios. Ad supported or otherwise.

But yeah, theatrical first please!

The streaming companies should stop thinking of themselves as streaming only and consider themselves more a regular movie studio. Get the most profit possible from every angle.

Make a movie--->Release it in cinemas--->Wait at least 4 months--->Release it simultaneously on disc, digital and streaming

They can even sell the rights for cable after a few years.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

The streaming companies should stop thinking of themselves as streaming only and consider themselves more a regular movie studio. Get the most profit possible from every angle.

Make a movie--->Release it in cinemas--->Wait at least 4 months--->Release it simultaneously on disc, digital and streaming

They can even sell the rights for cable after a few years.

Agreed mate. They will learn though.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by bhampton

We have some professional predictors here so which will go away first ...

Subscription services
Online Movie services
Physical Media

I have Star wars on D+, own it on iTunes and have the UHD BD. Which will I lose first?

I'm betting online movie lockers are the first to go and the only thing in danger of being replaced by subscriptions. Subscriptions is the new cable.

And on that topic, Alchav can you tell me more about your IPTV DVR? Is it legit? DRM maintained ? If your a movie pirate it's going to affect how I value your opinions and theories about home video.

-Brian

I think Discs will be the first to go, because Subscription and Online Movies are Backboned with Amazon and they are going nowhere.

As for IPTV DVR that is provided by my Fiber ISP, they put it on their Intranet and I can access it from any TV in my house that's on the Ethernet Network.

[bhampton]

Watching my Blu Ray of Jaws 2 excited to think about the upcomming remaster for UHD BD.



Happy Friday

[cheez avenger]

Had to put my discs aside for a bit since I'm still knee deep binging 24 (Kiefer Sutherland series from the early 2000's) on Hulu and started playing Fallout 76 again.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I think Discs will be the first to go, because Subscription and Online Movies are Backboned with Amazon and they are going nowhere.

None of them are ever going to go away completely. The main difference is that less support for streaming means that streaming titles will disappear (from both subscriptions and collections). With physical media all of the discs that have already been released will continue to function regardless of how little support discs get in the future.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

None of them are ever going to go away completely. The main difference is that less support for streaming means that streaming titles will disappear (from both subscriptions and collections). With physical media all of the discs that have already been released will continue to function regardless of how little support discs get in the future.

I feel the same way, but only for Physical because Disc Failure and Player Failure will do the same thing. It's happening already that Disc and Player Failure are happening more frequently. 4K Discs are Freezing and not playing properly. So you better find a good Tech or Tech Shop to fix your problems, or do it yourself. The Players coming out are expensive and what you have to rely on, but not as good as your Oppos!

[veritas]

Originally Posted by bhampton

ok so I'll ask again and if no one responds the second time I'll take the hint,

We have some professional predictors here so which will go away first ...

Subscription services
Online Movie services
Physical Media

I have Star wars on D+, own it on iTunes and have the UHD BD. Which will I lose first?

I'm betting online movie lockers are the first to go and the only thing in danger of being replaced by subscriptions. Subscriptions is the new cable.

Also, personally I think piracy will be considered cyber crime and become less common and far more dangerous for the end user. Everything is driven by pure greed now so piracy will be an easy target.

And on that topic, Alchav can you tell me more about your IPTV DVR? Is it legit? DRM maintained ? If your a movie pirate it's going to affect how I value your opinions and theories about home video.

-Brian

I'm sure half the streaming services will be gone within 5 to 10 years some of which will be replaced by other ones under a different name and some of it will consolidate. The nice thing is that for the consumers a streaming company going under means almost nothing since consumers are paying monthly anyway.

Physical media properly taken care of will last at least a life time probably several. Even if they stopped producing it which is unlikely as its cheap and reaches markets the other 2 dont people will always have access to their physical collections.

Online movie services worry me the most. Sony bought funimation and merged it with crunchyroll. The odds are decent funimation is eventually going to be shut down and I'll lose all my digital copies. Digital copies you can no longer even download. Quite a few of the online movie services have changed hands over the years and each year the liabilitys these companies have increases. I expect eventually online services will either try to make you pay to access your library, insert ads or go under and start over to sell your collection to you all over again. Its just hard to see a company storing and streaming a movie for you for a life time off of a dollar or two.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by veritas

I'm sure half the streaming services will be gone within 5 to 10 years some of which will be replaced by other ones under a different name and some of it will consolidate. The nice thing is that for the consumers a streaming company going under means almost nothing since consumers are paying monthly anyway.

That's not true. People won't be losing money but everyone will be losing access to movies and TV shows that are exclusively available on streaming services. Personally I think that's much worse.

Streaming subscriptions put a time limit on how long each movie and TV show is available. They turn everything into disposable entertainment and don't give anyone the ability to ensure that the movies and TV shows they love remain available.

It's the death of preservation of the arts.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

That's not true. People won't be losing money but everyone will be losing access to movies and TV shows that are exclusively available on streaming services. Personally I think that's much worse.

Streaming subscriptions put a time limit on how long each movie and TV show is available. They turn everything into disposable entertainment and don't give anyone the ability to ensure that the movies and TV shows they love remain available.

It's the death of preservation of the arts.

If only more people realized that. Movies have become a throwaway product for some.
Once seen, done with it, on to the next. Every day a new fix and never looking back.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

That's not true. People won't be losing money but everyone will be losing access to movies and TV shows that are exclusively available on streaming services. Personally I think that's much worse.

Streaming subscriptions put a time limit on how long each movie and TV show is available. They turn everything into disposable entertainment and don't give anyone the ability to ensure that the movies and TV shows they love remain available.

It's the death of preservation of the arts.

That's not true. All that would happen is the content would be licensed out to the other surviving streamers. Licensing out content brings in billions of dollars to the content holders each year.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Just a curious post, how many here visit (linked):

• AVS
• The Digital Bits
• DVD talk
• High-Def Digest
• Hollywood in Hi-Def
• Home Theater Forum
• Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity
• Sound and Vision
• Media Play News
• Wide Screen Review

I have visited many of these for a long time now. Some have had name changes or mergers.

From memory so may be errors: From back when; Keith Jack, Stacey Spears, Kris Deering of Secrets magazine discovered CUE (chroma upsampling errors). Keith Jack of Sigma Designs (member of BDA) insisted on Blu-ray having the option to output the frame rate of the source material otherwise we would still have 3:2 pulldown. Took Apple a very long time to output integer frame rates, don’t know if Android has solved this riddle yet (use a frame rate app on my Shield Pro), last I heard Roku does for all except Netflix.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Exclusivity is one of the building blocks for a solid foundation to build a business on.

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Licensing out content brings in billions of dollars to the content holders each year.

You're gonna have to make up your mind, Lee. Now which is it ?

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Just a curious post, how many here visit (linked):

• AVS
• The Digital Bits
• DVD talk
• High-Def Digest
• Hollywood in Hi-Def
• Home Theater Forum
• Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity
• Sound and Vision
• Media Play News
• Wide Screen Review

I have visited many of these for a long time now. Some have had name changes or mergers.

From memory so may be errors: From back when; Keith Jack, Stacey Spears, Kris Deering of Secrets magazine discovered CUE (chroma upsampling errors). Keith Jack of Sigma Designs (member of BDA) insisted on Blu-ray having the option to output the frame rate of the source material otherwise we would still have 3:2 pulldown. Took Apple a very long time to output integer frame rates, don’t know if Android has solved this riddle yet (use a frame rate app on my Shield Pro), last I heard Roku does for all except Netflix.

I used to visit DVDTalk, Hidefdigest and The Digital Bits. It's been a long time though.