Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

We have always had short form content; people have been accustomed to viewing it for over 100 years. Youtube in particular has been around since Feb. 14, 2005 and it has not had any adverse impact on long form content. Long form and short form content will continue to coexist. There is no evidence to show that long form content has ever been harmed by the presence of short form content. Not a solitary shred.

Binge watching existed long before streaming. I binged watch episodes of TV shows on dvd and laserdiscs long before streaming came about. I also watched marathons of TV episodes on cable TV long before both of those formats.

Binge watching also demonstrates that people are perfectly willing to watch programming for hours on end, which is contrary to your whole false assertion that people can not focus on any one thing for any length of time or that they do not want to spend more than "7 minutes" watching something.

You make less sense (if that's even possible now) every time that you try to defend this beyond silly prediction of yours about imaginary threats to long form content. Long form content is not only safe; it is thriving.

We haven't had a world dominated by mobile before, nor have we had a dedicated short form platform that will demand consumers dollars. It’s competing with long form services.

None of this is far fetched. It’s just thinking ahead.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We haven't had a world dominated by mobile before, nor have we had a dedicated short form platform that will demand consumers dollars. It’s competing with long form services.

None of this is far fetched. It’s just thinking ahead.

It is all far fetched and it is just thinking crazy.

You have no evidence to support any aspect of your nonsensical prediction that long form content is at risk.

I was watching short video clips on my flip phone in 2005; having access to such content with mobile devices has been ongoing for well over a decade and in that time movie production and movie profits have grown, not declined.

Mobile is just another way to access content. People also watch full length TV shows and full length movies with these devices. Both short and long form content will continue to thrive because people enjoy both no matter what device they choose to view them with. As for devices, TVs are still popular and their sales numbers are up and that is another fact that conflicts with your contrived predictions.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It’s possible, if not almost certain that we will see a split Netflix. A short form version and the regular one. It’s also likely that the short form version might cannibalise the regular version. What then?

If Netflix decides to offer short form content, so what? Plenty of websites and services have been doing that for years and years. There would be no need to split anything; it is, at most, just another content category.

Just because your fevered brain imagines one irrational fear after another, does not make any of them "likely." Short form content will not supplant, nor replace, long form content on Netflix. In case you haven't been paying attention, Netflix has invested heavily in the production of their own full length movies and traditional length episodic TV series. Netflix is making more of these, not less. Adding short form content would only augment Netflix's catalog, not "cannibalize" it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

If Netflix decides to offer short form content, so what? Plenty of websites and services have been doing that for years and years. There would be no need to split anything; it is, at most, just another content category.

Just because your fevered brain imagines one irrational fear after another, does not make any of them "likely." Short form content will not supplant, nor replace, long form content on Netflix. In case you haven't been paying attention, Netflix has invested heavily in the production of their own full length movies and traditional length episodic TV series. Netflix is making more of these, not less. Adding short form content would only augment Netflix's catalog, not "cannibalize" it.

This is a new scenario though. Premium short form on mobile ONLY. It will also be cheaper for the studios. A very enticing prospect.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

This is a new scenario though. Premium short form on mobile ONLY. It will also be cheaper for the studios. A very enticing prospect.

Limiting content access to one device also arbitrarily limits their potential audience. If I were a content creator, I would want my content to be accessible to the widest audience possible.

Of course making a short 7 minute video is "cheaper" than making a full length movie, but it is the return on investment that matters, not just the cost of making the content. I doubt that any such super short video will ever come close to competing with the money that a blockbuster film like Avengers: Endgame makes or a TV juggernaut like Game Of Thrones.

Even if "mobile only" super short form content providers manage to carve themselves a piece of the home video entertainment pie, that would in no way endanger long form content or TVs. Even Quibi sees themselves as a "complement" to services like Netflix.

"Whitman has said she and Katzenberg see Quibi as a complement to, rather than competitor of, other streaming services like Netflix, Hulu and Amazon's Prime Video."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...atform-1221888

It would just be another content choice among many; a concept that is forever lost upon you. You always have to something die whenever anything new is even proposed. I have been enjoying content of many types, and of many lengths, my entire life (to date) and I will continue to do so. Offering another way to watch something that I already have been watching all of this time will not lessen my desire to watch long form content. People like choices; it is why we have so many.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Limiting content access to one device also arbitrarily limits their potential audience. If I were a content creator, I would want my content to be accessible to the widest audience possible.

Of course making a short 7 minute video is "cheaper" than making a full length movie, but it is the return on investment that matters, not just the cost of making the content. I doubt that any such super short video will ever come close to competing with the money that a blockbuster film like Avengers: Endgame makes or a TV juggernaut like Game Of Thrones.

Even if "mobile only" super short form content providers manage to carve themselves a piece of the home video entertainment pie, that would in no way endanger long form content or TVs. Even Quibi sees themselves as a "complement" to services like Netflix.

"Whitman has said she and Katzenberg see Quibi as a complement to, rather than competitor of, other streaming services like Netflix, Hulu and Amazon's Prime Video."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...atform-1221888

It would just be another content choice among many; a concept that is forever lost upon you. You always have to something die whenever anything new is even proposed. People like choices; it is why we have so many.

Of course thy would say that. They are depending on studios and creators for their success. Of course it will be disruptive and a competitor. You are being naive Vilya.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Of course thy would say that. They are depending on studios and creators for their success. Of course it will be disruptive and a competitor. You are being naive Vilya.

So that must mean all of those studios and creators are naive, too? We are all naive and you alone can see through their sinister plot.

No, they, and I, are being rational. Something that you are incapable of being.

No one, and I mean no one, but you sees Quibi, or short form content in general, as a threat.

You're not a visionary because you alone imagine something absurd; you are just delusional.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

So that must mean all of those studios and creators are naive, too? We are all naive and you alone can see through their devious plot.

No, they, and I, are being rational. Something that you are incapable of being.

No one, and I mean no one, but you sees Quibi, or short form content in general, as a threat.

You're not a visionary because you alone imagine something absurd; you are just delusional.

Anything that takes eyeballs away from another service is competitive Vilya.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Anything that takes eyeballs away from another service is competitive Vilya.

By that "logic", you and I are both hastening the death of movies and all we hold dear by posting on this forum. Our "eyeballs" are here, aren't they, focused on this website?

Blu-ray.com is killing movies!

That makes us accessories to murder!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

By that "logic", you and I are both hastening the death of movies and all we hold dear by posting on this forum. Our "eyeballs" are here, aren't they, focused on this website?

Blu-ray.com is killing movies!

That makes us accessories to murder!

Like for like.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Like for like.

I don't know that I can be seen associating with a known criminal, yet alone a killer like you.

I see myself as just a naive victim of a charismatic doomsday cult leader; I'm blameless because I was .

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

A generation that are exposed to that entertainment probably won’t want to sit through 1 hour shows and 2 hour films.

And yet they do.

You've been shown reams of data documenting the fact that these damn kids today go to more movies than your age group or my age group. But you just brush that aside.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Look at binge watching? It wasn’t even a thing before Netflix.

A) yes it was

B) what about it? How does the fact that these damn kids today are inclined watch entire tv seasons (sometimes entire runs) in a single sitting bolster your case?

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It’s possible, if not almost certain that we will see a split Netflix. A short form version and the regular one. It’s also likely that the short form version might cannibalise the regular version. What then?

Will I still be able to get two discs at a time in the mail?

Then wtf do I care what else happens to Netflix.

[The_Donster]

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The point is, things can and will change. A generation that are exposed to that entertainment probably won’t want to sit through 1 hour shows and 2 hour films. Not when they can sit through shot-for-mobile tv shows in 7 minute chunks.

Look at binge watching? It wasn’t even a thing before Netflix.

Is the problem that kids are watching short videos and therefore have too short of attention spans or that kids are binge watching and therefore have too long of attention spans?

I guess not even Steedeel can agree with Steedeel.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Is the problem that kids have are watching short videos and therefore have too short of attention spans or that kids are binge watching and therefore have too long of attention spans?

I guess not even Steedeel can agree with Steedeel.

I’m saying for NOW, binge watching is a trend across age groups. Mobile premium video when introduced could be another. Binge watching would still be a thing but instead of longer shows it would be series with 7-10 minute episodes. So around 2 hours worth of content in short form. Already, we are seeing ideas like Spielberg’s short form horror only being streamable at night. Things like that.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I’m saying for NOW, binge watching is a trend across age groups. Mobile premium video when introduced could be another. Binge watching would still be a thing but instead of longer shows it would be series with 7-10 minute episodes. So around 2 hours worth of content in short form. Already, we are seeing ideas like Spielberg’s short form horror only being streamable at night. Things like that.

Binge watching didn't replace everything else. There's absolutely no reason to think that mobile premium video will replace everything else either.

The idea that mobile premium video could become very popular is reasonable. The idea that everything else will disappear is ludicrous.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I’m saying for NOW, binge watching is a trend across age groups. Mobile premium video when introduced could be another. Binge watching would still be a thing but instead of longer shows it would be series with 7-10 minute episodes. So around 2 hours worth of content in short form. Already, we are seeing ideas like Spielberg’s short form horror only being streamable at night. Things like that.

2 hours of viewing is not binge watching. That's not even a warm-up to binge watching. Amateur.

So, does streaming certain content only at night foretell a time when nothing can be streamed during daylight hours? That's where your "reasoning" always leads to: the complete end of something else.

[sapiendut]

2 hour watching is definitely not binge watching. That’s just watching a regular movie.

[The_Donster]

The only thing new about binge watching is the multiple ways we can do it your liege

[sapiendut]

Yes there are multiple ways of doing it. But a total of 2 hours is not binge watching.

I’ve been binge watching since DVD times. I buy the season set and watch the entire season in one sitting. I sometimes buy series from UK and watch them by the series (multiple seasons).