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Old 02-15-2019, 08:20 PM   #1481
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DTS Surround on my Denon sounds just as good as DTS MSTR, but I want to know if it's just me
Surely depends on bitrate and how many channels as well. Even lossy DTS at full bitrate is around 3 times that of lossy Dolby Digital. Some DTS discs only used half bitrate though.

2.0 lossy DTS at full 1.5mbps bitrate is near as dammit lossless.

I personally can hear the difference between 5.1 lossless and lossy in a busy mix. I notice it in the higher frequencies, the more compressed they get the muddier they get. It also depends on the encoding priorities as well.

Dolby Digital 5.1 at 384kbps has to be the worst 5.1 I've ever heard. It's getting so heavily compressed all the directionality gets mushed up.

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Surely depends on bitrate and how many channels as well. Even lossy DTS at full bitrate is around 3 times that of lossy Dolby Digital. Some DTS discs only used half bitrate though.

2.0 lossy DTS at full 1.5mbps bitrate is near as dammit lossless.

I personally can hear the difference between 5.1 lossless and lossy in a busy mix. I notice it in the higher frequencies, the more compressed they get the muddier they get. It also depends on the encoding priorities as well.

Dolby Digital 5.1 at 384kbps has to be the worst 5.1 I've ever heard. It's getting so heavily compressed all the directionality gets mushed up.
is there a way to 'learn' how to tell the difference? For instance, when it comes to video quality, I can tell immediately the difference between UHD, UHD via streaming, bluray, etc. Compression issues on video, even minimal ones, are easy to spot for me. But when it comes to sound, I feel like lossy video at times sounds the same as lossless. DTS Surround, and DD+ on certain programs sounds as good as lossless Atmos on the blurays that I own, more often than not.
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The lighter, higher frequency sounds I tend to use to listen out for. It'd be brighter the less compressed it is.

Best way would be to have something you can directly compare to. If a release has lossless and lossy, that'd be good.

You will struggle to hear the difference on the better quality formats, like DTS. A word of warning though, ignorance can be bliss. I look at some older audio files I only saved as a compressed versions and wince.
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The lighter, higher frequency sounds I tend to use to listen out for. It'd be brighter the less compressed it is.

Best way would be to have something you can directly compare to. If a release has lossless and lossy, that'd be good.

You will struggle to hear the difference on the better quality formats, like DTS. A word of warning though, ignorance can be bliss. I look at some older audio files I only saved as a compressed versions and wince.
DTS Surrounds sounds the same as DTS MSTR but I know they don't
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DTS Surrounds sounds the same as DTS MSTR but I know they don't
I don't know what kind of setup you have, but you should easily be able to tell the difference on all aspects. I assume you are not much of a audiophile, nor you really do not have to be to notice. The ears are not created equally..
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I don't know what kind of setup you have, but you should easily be able to tell the difference on all aspects. I assume you are not much of a audiophile, nor you really do not have to be to notice. The ears are not created equally..
The problem is that a lot of content that I have on Plex in lossless DTS MSTR look better when played directly on my TV or Roku Plex apps, which both default to DTS Surround. If I play them on Plex through Nvidia Shield I get lossless audio but picture is not as good
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