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Old 04-02-2020, 08:20 PM   #2001
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Same here. Although I have a 65” LG OLED (calibrated of course!), the Pioneer just keeps on going strong. Will be 12 years old this summer.
I know of several people that have been using the 2008 Pioneer Elite Signature series PRO-141FD and PRO-101FD for almost 12 years and they still work flawlessly. I have seen 3 PRO-141FD’s and 3 PRO-101FD’s still working flawlessly after almost 12 years (some have a October 2008 manufacturing date). The last manufacturing date for the July 2008 Pioneer plasma models was around April 2009. April 2009 was when all Pioneer plasmas went out of production in the United States since the plasma plant shut down (but most the last plasmas were made Jan or Feb of 2009 from what I understand). Maybe they will last up to 20 years. The Elite Signature series has hand inspected parts to make sure the best parts were used. The Pioneer plasmas were engineered in Japan and assembled in the United States using high quality components from around the world. The PRO-141FD and PRO-101FD had the best black levels and 2-D triple flash 72fps motion compared to any other plasma display. However, in the year 2016 OLED flat panels were overall better with 4K resolution, absolute deeper blacks then the 2008 Pioneer plasma, etc. Only the motion of the 2008 plasma is better when compared to a 2020 OLED screen.

The Japanese company Pioneer assembled their high-end plasmas in the United States for many years, however most companies now have their electronics including displays assembled in South Korea, China, and sometimes Mexico to keep cost lower. Pioneer Elite Blu-ray players and Pioneer Elite A/V receivers have an excellent build quality with a 3 year warranty (engineered in Japan and assembled in China by automated machines). I know family members that have a couple of 12 year old 2008 Pioneer Elite SC-07 A/V receivers that still work flawlessly. All my family members home theater equipment is connected to pure sine wave Cyberpower 1500watt UPS power backup units.

Having an excellent quality pure sine wave UPS or good quality surge protector connected to ones equipment can help make them last 20+ years. But if the consumer electronic product has a bad build quality then less then 10 years or less then 5 years is possible.

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I know of several people that have been using the 2008 Pioneer Elite Signature series PRO-141FD and PRO-101FD for almost 12 years and they still work flawlessly. I have seen 3 PRO-141FDs and 3 PRO-101FDs still working flawlessly after almost 12 years (some have a October 2008 manufacturing date). The last manufacturing date for the July 2008 Pioneer plasma models was around April 2009. April 2009 was when all Pioneer plasmas went out of production in the United States since the plasma plant shut down (but most the last plasmas were made Jan or Feb of 2009 from what I understand). Maybe they will last up to 20 years. The Elite Signature series has hand inspected parts to make sure the best parts were used. The Pioneer plasmas were engineered in Japan and assembled in the United States using high quality components from around the world. The PRO-141FD and PRO-101FD had the best black levels and 2-D triple flash 72fps motion compared to any other plasma display. However, in the year 2016 OLED flat panels were overall better with 4K resolution, absolute deeper blacks then the 2008 Pioneer plasma, etc. Only the motion of the 2008 plasma is better when compared to a 2020 OLED screen.

The Japanese company Pioneer assembled their high-end plasmas in the United States for many years, however most companies now have their electronics including displays assembled in South Korea, China, and sometimes Mexico to keep cost lower. Pioneer Elite Blu-ray players and Pioneer Elite A/V receivers have an excellent build quality with a 3 year warranty (engineered in Japan and assembled in China by automated machines). I know family members that have a couple of 12 year old 2008 Pioneer Elite SC-07 A/V receivers that still work flawlessly. All my family members home theater equipment is connected to pure sine wave Cyberpower 1500watt UPS power backup units.

Having an excellent quality pure sine wave UPS or good quality surge protector connected to ones equipment can help make them last 20+ years. But if the consumer electronic product has a bad build quality then less then 10 years or less then 5 years is possible.
4K resolution was not a game changer for OLED, no it was not. 4K TVs without HDR adds little to nothing to the experience over 1080p. HDR and higher peak brightness over plasma, from my eyes, makes a difference. With that being said, Pioneer Plasma still does somethings better, such as "near black" or shadow detail, accurate colors and motion handling. OLED, in my opinion get just too dark, too dark on everything.
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That is why I will be looking at going 4K or 8K DLP projector for the ultimate in picture quality. OLED might end up in my bedroom one day unless I do a short throw projector in the bedroom. 99% of commercial movie theaters still use projectors.
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That is why I will be looking at going 4K or 8K DLP projector for the ultimate in picture quality. OLED might end up in my bedroom one day unless I do a short throw projector in the bedroom. 99% of commercial movie theaters still use projectors.
That's exactly what I will be doing if I can't find another plasma on the used market when mine dies!
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My 5090 took 10 years of heavy usage (primary tv and kids in the family) before the pink pixel issues started to occur, it still ain't completely done as they show up only when there is lots of brightest white in the image but forced me to start thinking of the inavoidable: Replacement. However this was one of those very rare instances when luck settled on my side, found pretty much accidentally 6090 for sale with 400 € price tag from local equivalent of craigslist and there was absolutely no need for consideration, I gladly drove 350 km's to pick it up just yesterday making me one happy cookie once again

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My 5090 took 10 years of heavy usage (primary tv and kids in the family) before the pink pixel issues started to occur, it still ain't completely done as they show up only when there is lots of brightest white in the image but forced me to start thinking of the inavoidable: Replacement. However this was one of those very rare instances when luck settled on my side, found pretty much accidentally 6090 for sale with 400 price tag from local equivalent of craigslist and there was absolutely no need for consideration, I gladly drove 350 km's to pick it up just yesterday making me one happy cookie once again
Holy cow, nice one!! I think I'd have done the same if I found that!
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