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Old 01-13-2021, 06:06 PM   #361
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Just got this in today. I ordered eight days ago, so not too bad of a turnaround - though the tracking info from USPS did go crazy during the wait. Unfortunately I probably won't be able to watch it tonight but I'm very excited to have a new-to-me 80s slasher to watch, in 3D to boot!

I also just saw F13 III in proper 3D for the first time last week, so this will be a neat comparison.
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Old 01-13-2021, 07:10 PM   #362
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If it sells out, surely there is a decent chance of another 3D title in the future. Let’s hope so.
Oh, there's more old classics coming! Bob just talked about 5 in the pipeline. And as to the '50's "Golden Age", back a while he said 1 for sure and maybe 4 possibilities.

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Old 01-13-2021, 07:13 PM   #363
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The plot did seem to drag in spots. I did notice anomalies near the edges of the frame at times. Maybe the lense/camera used? There was some ghosting, but kept to a minimum.
If you switch the output to 2D, you'll find that the issues with the double-imaging around the edges of the frame are still present. I think at the start of chapter 2, there's a tower on the right of the frame that's a very good example of it. Which says to me that the problem stems from the lenses used during the shoot. Whatever it is, it doesn't seem to be a 3D specific problem.
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Old 01-13-2021, 07:19 PM   #364
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If you haven't ordered it yet, DeepDiscount is selling it for $27.75. With the 15% off code SNOW15 (expiring 1/14/21) the cost is $23.59. Good deal.

https://www.deepdiscount.com/silent-...s/814456023045

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Old 01-13-2021, 07:23 PM   #365
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You're seeing lens aberrations.

Again, a baked-in problem that is not fixable.

I'm VERY surprised nobody is complaining about the severe vertical mis-alignment issues on F13 III that were all fixable. Does nobody care about eyestrain?

If not, perhaps we're doing the wrong thing with our painstaking shot-by-shot alignment and should just crank these out as is!
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Old 01-13-2021, 07:41 PM   #366
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Ordered Silent Madness Blu-Ray on 12/11/20 and it's still not here
Ordered Silent Madness Viewmaster on 01/01/21 and got it today

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Old 01-13-2021, 07:57 PM   #367
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You're seeing lens aberrations.

Again, a baked-in problem that is not fixable.

I'm VERY surprised nobody is complaining about the severe vertical mis-alignment issues on F13 III that were all fixable. Does nobody care about eyestrain?

If not, perhaps we're doing the wrong thing with our painstaking shot-by-shot alignment and should just crank these out as is!
Regarding f13 pt3, I've seem lots of complaints about it dotted around. Situation here is probably a combination of two things, first being that the anaglyph version had it the same and there were lots of complaints then, and that expectations were so low for Shout doing it right, that it was pretty much expected
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Old 01-13-2021, 08:00 PM   #368
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Finally got my hands on this!

First I would like to thank 3DFA for giving me this lovely opportunity to enjoy (again) one of the 1980's Silver Age 3D movies in such a great quality! The restoration is excellent, you at 3DFA really know what you are doing!

A humble bow to everybody at 3DFA. Thank you.

Then: What a spectacular 3D! Every scene, and I mean EVERY SCENE has such a remarkable dimension! The stereography is just stunning with ample lighting and carefully thought "layerings." It's a pure feast to my eyes, every second of it.

One of the best 3D experiences I have seen, it's just so professional. And I have seen a lot!

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Old 01-13-2021, 09:13 PM   #369
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I'm VERY surprised nobody is complaining about the severe vertical mis-alignment issues on F13 III that were all fixable. Does nobody care about eyestrain?
I complained before it was released, if that counts. We already knew after it was released that there would be misalignment issues, so there was really no point of complaining. The biggest complaint was about the opening credits, and thankfully Shout corrected that. For sure, Friday the 13th Part III is a flawed release, but I'm still happy to own it.

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If not, perhaps we're doing the wrong thing with our painstaking shot-by-shot alignment and should just crank these out as is!
Now you're talking crazy.
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Old 01-13-2021, 09:31 PM   #370
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If you switch the output to 2D, you'll find that the issues with the double-imaging around the edges of the frame are still present. I think at the start of chapter 2, there's a tower on the right of the frame that's a very good example of it. Which says to me that the problem stems from the lenses used during the shoot. Whatever it is, it doesn't seem to be a 3D specific problem.
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You're seeing lens aberrations.

.....a baked-in problem that is not fixable.
Agreed. The lens aberration is baked-in the 2D source.
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Old 01-13-2021, 09:50 PM   #371
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You're seeing lens aberrations.

Again, a baked-in problem that is not fixable.

I'm VERY surprised nobody is complaining about the severe vertical mis-alignment issues on F13 III that were all fixable. Does nobody care about eyestrain?

If not, perhaps we're doing the wrong thing with our painstaking shot-by-shot alignment and should just crank these out as is!
There are plenty of people complaining about misalignment and "ghosting" in F13th III in its thread. In fact, there was so much of it that it sparked a new ghosting discussion, which the 13thman had to move to the ghosting thread.
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Old 01-13-2021, 10:10 PM   #372
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I'm VERY surprised nobody is complaining about the severe vertical mis-alignment issues on F13 III that were all fixable. Does nobody care about eyestrain?
I prefer to “complain” by using my hard earned pounds to purchase quality titles that have been restored with care and effort. I can tell you that I have yet to give Shout one pence of my money for any of their 3D titles.
The ones you restore on the other hand are always a very welcome addition and there is always a little money saved on the side for them. So please, keep up the good job and know that we are forever in your debt for the job you and your entire team do over at the 3D Film Archive.
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Old 01-13-2021, 10:15 PM   #373
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Thanks and I was just thinking out loud. If we didn’t take the time to break these films down shot by shot and just put them out as they come to us on the raw scan, it would save a lot of time and we could finish every film in a few weeks versus a few months.

That said, a release of that nature would not be something any of us on the team would want our names associated with so rest assured, we’ll continue to do what we do!
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If you haven't ordered it yet, DeepDiscount is selling it for $27.75. With the 15% off code SNOW15 (expiring 1/14/21) the cost is $23.59. Good deal.

https://www.deepdiscount.com/silent-...s/814456023045
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Old 01-13-2021, 10:35 PM   #375
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Oh, there's more old classics coming! Bob just talked about 5 in the pipeline. And as to the '50's "Golden Age" back a while he said 1 for sure and maybe 4 possibilities.
Was thinking more VS Silver age with Bob doing the heavy lifting.
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Well I got a watch in after all. Movie was a decently entertaining old slasher. I think its biggest flaw was the terrible music. Undercut any tension instead of building it.

As usual, great work from 3DFA. To be clear, Mr. Furmanek - when I say I saw Friday the 13th Part III in "proper 3D," I simply meant full-color through polarized lenses, as opposed to the previous anaglyph edition. I'm under no illusions that it was a proper 3D restoration and, while I was never really uncomfortable viewing it, the misalignment was often distracting regardless. I make a habit of taking screenshots from most of my collection, including the 3D ones, and doing so for F13III made the problems with misalignment and more complex geometric distortion all the more apparent. I actually do my best to create improved versions of the screenshots for problematic 3D titles by correcting the misalignment and ameliorating the more complicated distortions myself. Obviously nothing in comparison to restoring an entire feature film with 24 frames per second, but helps give insight into the kind of work that can and should be done!

Silent Madness looks as good as I could reasonably imagine. I haven't watched the making-of yet, but the posters claim it was shot in ArriVision, which explains the terrible chromatic aberration from the wider lenses. It's ironic - the Friday the 13th set includes an old Fangoria article where director Steve Miner talks about shooting the third film with the Marks 3-Depix converter, mentioning his dissatisfaction with the state of shooting 3D at the time:

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We looked at all the systems when we started, and the consensus of opinion was that they're all difficult. There's no "state of the art" where 3D is concerned, because all the systems are from backyard inventors who are piecing them together. We felt that the Marks system would give us the least problems during production, and would actually be the easiest to use; and I don't think that was the wrong decision. I think it worked out very well. But my feeling is that a really good 3D system has yet to be invented.
ArriVision, from a well-respected and established lens and camera manufacturer, was intended as the solution... but it was essentially a piece of crap and had worse aberration than many of the "backyard" systems, plus an impractically wide interaxial. The fact Silent Madness now looks as good as it does is a minor miracle and as evidence you only need to try and watch fellow ArriVision titles Jaws 3-D or Amityville 3-D. Even aside from the quality of the restoration, Silent Madness features considerably better stereography than either of those bigger-budget pictures, IMO.
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In my opinion, Col. Bernier’s Space-Vision system was the best of the single-strip lenses. In the hands of capable cinematographers, of course. The Bubble is magnificent and Flesh for Frankenstein is a disaster!
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I finally got my copy of Silent Madness in the mail today

This will be on the top of my watch list this weekend!
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You're seeing lens aberrations.

Again, a baked-in problem that is not fixable.

I'm VERY surprised nobody is complaining about the severe vertical mis-alignment issues on F13 III that were all fixable. Does nobody care about eyestrain?

If not, perhaps we're doing the wrong thing with our painstaking shot-by-shot alignment and should just crank these out as is!
No, No, NO, Bob, don't do that! The only reason you didn't hear a b*tch from me is because I won't buy it unless the price comes down for a one film copy! $100+ is asinine especially as it includes 2 other films (flat) for which I have zero interest.

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