Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

LaserDiscs are Ancient History I'm talking about today's BD and 4K prices what are you willing to pay? With Disc Sales and Inventories falling while prices going up are you guys willing to weather the storm? It doesn't matter about yesterdays LD's!

Please provide empirical data showing prices for physical media on a constant rise. If you cannot then don't make a statement presented as factual that cannot be backed with facts.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

Yeah, I realize it's made for streaming services, not MKVs. Guess it's Shield then. Since passthrough refuses to work, I'll have to connect the Shield to my receiver. My TX-NR575 is supposed to support Dolby Vision, but I'm skeptical, since it downgrades the HDMI signal from my video card from full range 10-bit to limited 8-bit. Maybe a PC signal is more demanding because of the high framerate. I'll just try it and then return it if it doesn't work.

My Ultra plays MKV's from DVD's just fine. Never tried MKV's from BD or UHD BD as those are ISO's. Video from a PC is 0-255, 4:4:4 while most consumer HD video is 16-235, 4:2:0, many devices can accept PC video but requires selecting that range. Some PC's can do > 8 bit and UHD video is 10 bit.

Never tried my Shield Pro as a media player because I have 4 other media players in the rack.

For me, a torn muscle took a long time to heal.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Please provide empirical data showing prices for physical media on a constant rise. If you cannot then don't make a statement presented as factual that cannot be backed with facts.

He needs to do the same for inventories. Hopefully, most readers BS detector alarm goes off when they read a post like that.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Please provide empirical data showing prices for physical media on a constant rise. If you cannot then don't make a statement presented as factual that cannot be backed with facts.

Go to bottom of page for Average Disc Cost

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/resear...ended-9-24-22/

Then you can go back each week (in RED) to see the price differences.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Go to bottom of page for Average Disc Cost

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/resear...ended-9-24-22/

Then you can go back each week (in RED) to see the price differences.

there are a few things that can affect average cost. (you buy a brand new block buster release vs a title that hits the discount bin, you buy a whole TV series vs a movie you ....)

But even then, when you look at DVD, the price they have went up 0.8 which is meaningless.

looking at BD on th other hand is just beyond ridiculous. They are not splitting BD vs UHD BD so as the UHD market is growing the average cost on their page will keep going up to the price of the average UHD where at one one time it would have been the average HD

ps your link has DVD $11.99 and if we look the week beforee $12.44 (since you asked us to look at past dates) do you think that means we can conclude that the prices are going down? no, a reasonable person will just assume people bought cheaper titles on DVD this wek vs last week.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

there are a few things that can affect average cost. (you buy a brand new block buster release vs a title that hits the discount bin, you buy a whole TV series vs a movie you ....)

But even then, when you look at DVD, the price they have went up 0.8 which is meaningless.

looking at BD on th other hand is just beyond ridiculous. They are not splitting BD vs UHD BD so as the UHD market is growing the average cost on their page will keep going up to the price of the average UHD where at one one time it would have been the average HD

ps your link has DVD $11.99 and if we look the week beforee $12.44 (since you asked us to look at past dates) do you think that means we can conclude that the prices are going down? no, a reasonable person will just assume people bought cheaper titles on DVD this wek vs last week.

Emperical data is not based on a single set of numbers. Your 0.8% is one week. The previous week is 9.7%. What you have to do is get as many as you can then add them up and divide so you get a true Average Cost over a longer period of time.

Inflation has been rampant for a while. Did you really think that physical media would be immune to it?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Inflation has been rampant for a while. Did you really think that physical media would be immune to it?

absolutely agree with you no one here said that prices should not go up. The question is if they have been going up up or not.

Emperical data is not based on a single set of numbers. Your 0.8% is one week. The previous week is 9.7%. What you have to do is get as many as you can then add them up and divide so you get a true Average Cost over a longer period of time.

agree that it should be based on the most empirical data possible. But what you need is smart empirical data. If I buy a 100$ box set oine week I know not to compare it to two single titles at 40$ total and say 100/1 =5* 40/2 because I am not comparing apples to apples but apples to oranges. here they don't do that and there lies the problem.

that is why those numbers seem to show something different than reality. Many of us buy a lot of films in this thread you don't think we would notice if we were paying a lot more for them? What we know is to compare apples to apples to apples and oranges to oranges. I won't compare a box set (maybe per movie to see the value of the set) to a new release I could not wait to buy and then to a discount title, it is normal that their costs would be very different.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

absolutely agree with you no one here said that prices should not go up. The question is if they have been going up up or not.




agree that it should be based on the most empirical data possible. But what you need is smart empirical data. If I buy a 100$ box set oine week I know not to compare it to two single titles at 40$ total and say 100/1 =5* 40/2 because I am not comparing apples to apples but apples to oranges. here they don't do that and there lies the problem.

that is why those numbers seem to show something different than reality. Many of us buy a lot of films in this thread you don't think we would notice if we were paying a lot more for them? What we know is to compare apples to apples to apples and oranges to oranges. I won't compare a box set (maybe per movie to see the value of the set) to a new release I could not wait to buy and then to a discount title, it is normal that their costs would be very different.

The numbers come from Rentrak (now owned by Comscore) from their POS system. You all wait for things to go on sale. Those numbers don't reflect sale prices. When you buy on the first Tuesday the movie is available - you are buying at the prices shown on the links.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

absolutely agree with you no one here said that prices should not go up. The question is if they have been going up up or not.




agree that it should be based on the most empirical data possible. But what you need is smart empirical data. If I buy a 100$ box set oine week I know not to compare it to two single titles at 40$ total and say 100/1 =5* 40/2 because I am not comparing apples to apples but apples to oranges. here they don't do that and there lies the problem.

that is why those numbers seem to show something different than reality. Many of us buy a lot of films in this thread you don't think we would notice if we were paying a lot more for them? What we know is to compare apples to apples to apples and oranges to oranges. I won't compare a box set (maybe per movie to see the value of the set) to a new release I could not wait to buy and then to a discount title, it is normal that their costs would be very different.

Personally I haven't seen much if any inflation in physical media though it depends on where you look.

Viz media seems to be getting cheaper overtime with big releases mrsp dropping.

discotek has increased in price a fair amount but that's mostly due to them having basically only 2 distributors left meaning less deals.

Warner hasn't increased their prices but they have been doing shady things after first print runs removing dvd discs and digital copies while keeping the same bar codes. They have been doing this for years but their customer service also went to shit in the last year or 2.

Best buy has had almost no sales other then bf for the last few years. meaning buying stuff from best buy would be more expensive on average.

Targets been giving tons of money back and % off deals that stack lately while movie prices have not inflated meaning movies from target are actually cheaper as long as you time your buys and plan them out.

Sentai clearance sales are silly cheap and I don't think the prices have changed much.

dollar tree prices went up from 1 dollar to 1.25 dollars but the new movie inventory has improved dramatically.

Used media has fallen in value dramatically so if you buy used movies probably feel cheaper then ever.

Amazon prices feel the same as ever.

[Warm Gun]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

For me, a torn muscle took a long time to heal.

Yes, but you're old. At 34, it should only take me half as long. I hope.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Inflation has been rampant for a while. Did you really think that physical media would be immune to it?

IMO, no one should think that. Disc price increases are most likely in line with inflation. Use to see Vudu, Amazon and others rent titles for around $4 now they are $6 and more.

Some inflation data here. The chart says it all.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

Yes, but you're old. At 34, it should only take me half as long. I hope.

I was probably about you age when I pulled one in my back. As to my age:

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[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Ender14

I pay that and more for boutique releases but I certainly get value for my money.

IMO, bargain oriented folks will never understand or relate to the home theater enthusiast and collector. Its just a different mind set. And in some cases the bargain people come by content of questionable means then have the nerve to question our wiliness to purchase legitimate content.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Why do you care so much about how much we pay for movies? You boast about bargain basement streaming deals but don't realize that you are getting an inferior product for those bargain prices. I would much rather boast about how I got a great deal on a quality product rather than that I paid as little as possible for a cheap product. That doesn't make you a bargain hunter. It makes you so[meone who is satisfied paying bargain prices for a bargain product.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IMO, bargain oriented folks will never understand or relate to the home theater enthusiast and collector. Its just a different mind set. And in some cases the bargain people come by content of questionable means then have the nerve to question our wiliness to purchase legitimate content.

Nobody cares what you pay or what equipment you have, my question was what are you willing to pay? We all like a good bargain or deal, and yes in Digital I look for $5-$10 Vudu Movies. I guess you guys like $10-$15 BD or 4K's. Ender you talk about bargain prices do you still have that Bargain Vizio, that Brand has never been in the Shootout or High in the Ratings!

Wendell you think you have the best equipment and most knowledge, what schools did you attend? Yes I used Codes but now Vudu has good Sales. I don't think anyone envies what you have just enjoy it. IMO it's all Subjective and very dependent on the setup and equipment you have. Disc maybe the best to view, but what is that Basic Minimum Equipment you need?

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Nobody cares what you pay or what equipment you have, my question was what are you willing to pay? We all like a good bargain of deal, and yes in Digital I look for $5-$10 Vudu Movies. I guess you guys like $10-$15 BD or 4K's. Ender you talk about bargain prices do you still have that Bargain Vizio, it's never been in the Shootout or High in the Ratings!

Wendell you think you have the best equipment and most knowledge, what schools did you attend? Yes I used Codes but now Vudu has good Sales. I don't think anyone envies what you have just enjoy it. IMO it's all Subjective and very dependent on the setup and equipment you have. Disc maybe the best to view, but what is that Basic Minimum Equipment you need?

There is nothing "bargain" about my Vizio. And again you spout nonsense you know nothing about. The Vizio I have is very well rated by many outlets, including here: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vi...quantum-x-2020. I could have spent more but I wanted a 75" screen with the brightest HDR I could get. This one checked all the boxes, had great reviews and I had previous good experiences with Vizio. You know what else has never been in the shootouts: your streaming content.

Your obsession with movie prices shows where your passion truly lies: saving a buck. If you were as passionate about the content of the movies as you are about how cheap you can get them then we could probably have some great conversations. But I know more than enough about how cheap you get your movies. Congratulations, you won the race to the bottom. I would say enjoy the view, but based on how great you think streaming looks I could put you in front of greasy window overlooking a tree in a dingy alley and you would think it was a beautiful forest. So you obviously enjoy ANY view.

[cheez avenger]

Just pre-ordered Bullet Train 4K disc. Thought I had done it already but had not.

[alchav21]

The Mods don't like us attacking each other so I won't lower myself to your standards, but the Revenue Report shows all the Disc Sales Information. I was just wondering if there was a tipping point price, and what you guys would do!

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The Mods don't like us attacking each other so I won't lower myself to your standards, but the Revenue Report shows all the Disc Sales Information. I was just wondering if there was a tipping point price, and what you guys would do!

Do you have a tipping point price for streaming? What would you do if prices went up?

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The Mods don't like us attacking each other so I won't lower myself to your standards, but the Revenue Report shows all the Disc Sales Information. I was just wondering if there was a tipping point price, and what you guys would do!

Movies as a whole are somewhat interchangeable. If a studio gets to greedy I just buy more from the other studios.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The Mods don't like us attacking each other so I won't lower myself to your standards, but the Revenue Report shows all the Disc Sales Information. I was just wondering if there was a tipping point price, and what you guys would do!

If the mods think that is attacking someone, they obviously hsvent visited the movie threads lately.