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Old 11-14-2019, 04:14 AM   #21
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One of the greatest films ever made. A terrific announcement that should be a wonderful start to even more Miyazaki in 4K.
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Old 11-16-2019, 03:43 PM   #22
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In spite of 4K Cobra's annoying, Funi's DBZ-like filtering, the image did at least look very "detailed" in some ways, such as the visibility of holes on the lines of the animation cel:

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These Lupin UHD remasters and the Gundam ones don't look like this. They're way more blurry and soft so I worry even HDR won't make it watchable like it did for Cobra.

Heck, the Gundam 4K movies even look like upscales to me, the way they're so soft and some line art is extremely smeary while others are sharp:
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From what I've seen, the Lupin UHDs seem more like this than the Cobra 4K.

And those gundam shots are static scenes, so some of those lines being smeared isn't motion blur smearing as part of the animation...it is literally just some lines being black while others look smeary as hell...very unfortunate. (Thogh I should compare it with the 2K BD for that gundam movie to make sure.)
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Old 11-16-2019, 04:01 PM   #23
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I own the Mamo UHD and it’s about on par with Cobra in terms of DNR/grain-management.
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I own the Mamo UHD and it’s about on par with Cobra in terms of DNR/grain-management.
yeah looking at some Mamo screenshots, the image is fairly close to being as sharp as Cobra, rather than the softness of the Gundam UHD movies and Cagliostro.

But Castle of Cagliostro looks like it has a similar issue, of inconsistent line density, to the Gundam UHD above, but not as extreme:

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Though this might be something that looks better with HDR
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No, the Gundam catalog UHDs (Char's Counterattack and F91) are native 4K remasters based off of 5K scans of an interpositive (which might explain some lack of clarity- if the OCN was used, it would look better, but Bandai just does what they do).
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No, the Gundam catalog UHDs (Char's Counterattack and F91) are native 4K remasters based off of 5K scans of an interpositive (which might explain some lack of clarity- if the OCN was used, it would look better, but Bandai just does what they do).
Just saying it has the look of an upscale to me because that exact look of some lines being pretty solid black, while so many are blurry and smeary is the textbook look of my old crappy AviSynth upscale scripts (on Hokuto no Ken):
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But it could just as equally be native 4K-5K scans which are bad enough for them to use "enhancement" filters like this and think it's an improvement

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For Castle of Cagliostro, TMS themselves handled the remaster, if I remember correctly, so when Ghibli licensed it for their own line of Blu-rays they used the materials they were given. Panasonic and Ghibli just handled disc production and distribution.

As for them (Panasonic) doing all the titles, only the Japanese releases were handled by them in terms of compression. When brought outside Japan, each distributor made their own encode, with few exceptions (one being Discotek's own Cagliostro- the only Ghibli 1:1 clone in North America).
Are you sure the Disney Ghiblis weren’t the same as the Japanese releases? I think those were dual territory discs that were sold in both regions. I know the rights have reverted since though.
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Are you sure the Disney Ghiblis weren’t the same as the Japanese releases? I think those were dual territory discs that were sold in both regions. I know the rights have reverted since though.
They are different encodes. The most drastic comparison is Whisper of the Heart- the Disney BD has an average Bitrate of 17.95 mbps, while the Japanese release averages 32.92 mbps. Both use the same master, but the encodes are different.
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