Sources from HD-DVD camp: looking for counter arguments

[domerdel]

Here's what they had to say about BD


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• The manufacturing yield rates on BD50 (the 50GB discs) are only 40% from Sony manufacturers and down to 10% yields on non-Sony manufacturers. That means only one in 10 discs made by a non-Sony plant works as a BD50 disc. This in turn leads to higher costs.

• BD1.1 player spec is hard to develop for, leading the only BD1.1 player to be delayed until Q2 2008.

• BD-J, the language they use for special features on discs, is horrible to program for, as we saw already.

• PS3 sales are only 1/4 as much as the 6 million target.

• At least one studio unhappy with Blu-ray.


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can we do a counter attack on these items please?

[groovyone]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=15309

[domerdel]

thank you!

[groovyone]

Originally Posted by domerdel

thank you!

No prob. I read the same 'article' with much irritation!

[CptGreedle]

Well for one, any feedback on the difficulty of developing for BD1.1 is premature. Also, there will be players out this year that will support it. Even the PS3 is planning to support it. Not to mention how difficult is it to program for HDi since it was offered to the BDA as a viable option for interactivity, and they rejected it saying it was not worth the trouble of changing since they were so similar to begin with.

As for the price of the discs to manufacture, that is total BS! No company would allow such a high percent or error.. oh wait.. I forgot.. Micro$oft does. Well then you can say if it did, why are 60% of the releases this year on the BD50 format and there have been no recalls and the average prices of the discs are less than HD-DVDs (www.productwars.com/dvd).

As for BD-j, it is JAVA based by Sun systems. It is probably easier to program for since it is a universal language that is designed to work on more than just a proprietary system. HDi, if it was made standard, would be made not to run on Macintosh or Linux systems, mainly cause Micro$oft wants to hurt their main competition, Apple and Quicktime. It is a proprietary language that is controlled by Micro$oft.

Even 1/4 of the 6 million targets is still more than all the HD-DVD players.

At least one studio that is willing to take $150 million to support HD-DVD and 7 that are happy with Blu-ray without any financial incentive. (or whatever the number is)

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by domerdel

• PS3 sales are only 1/4 as much as the 6 million target.

Considering that Sony has already shipped more than 6MM units and actual sales are pushing 5MM, the claims of 1.5MM (1/4 of 6) seem to be way, way off. The only console horribly missing the predictions is the 360, and by a wide margin.

[Wiz13688]

Why would any of that matter to a consumer end user as long as it doesn't impact my purchase cost? I just took a quick look on Amazon,com.

300 Blu-ray $23.95
300 HD-DVD/DVD $27.95

The Departed Blu-ray $23.95
The Departed HD-DVD/DVD $27.95

Planet Earth Blu-ray/HD-DVD $66.95 Same

Blade Runner 5 disc Blu-ray/HD-DVD $27.95 Same

HD-DVD, if anything, actually cost more in some case and the same in most. Since all these supposed problems are not costing the consumer a dime, why should they give a damn.

[doctorD]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

Well for one, any feedback on the difficulty of developing for BD1.1 is premature. Also, there will be players out this year that will support it. Even the PS3 is planning to support it. Not to mention how difficult is it to program for HDi since it was offered to the BDA as a viable option for interactivity, and they rejected it saying it was not worth the trouble of changing since they were so similar to begin with.

As for the price of the discs to manufacture, that is total BS! No company would allow such a high percent or error.. oh wait.. I forgot.. Micro$oft does. Well then you can say if it did, why are 60% of the releases this year on the BD50 format and there have been no recalls and the average prices of the discs are less than HD-DVDs (www.productwars.com/dvd).

As for BD-j, it is JAVA based by Sun systems. It is probably easier to program for since it is a universal language that is designed to work on more than just a proprietary system. HDi, if it was made standard, would be made not to run on Macintosh or Linux systems, mainly cause Micro$oft wants to hurt their main competition, Apple and Quicktime. It is a proprietary language that is controlled by Micro$oft.

Even 1/4 of the 6 million targets is still more than all the HD-DVD players.

At least one studio that is willing to take $150 million to support HD-DVD and 7 that are happy with Blu-ray without any financial incentive. (or whatever the number is)

CptGreedle...I couldn't have put it any better! Anybody trying to state that Java is difficult to write code for is probably reading stuff off of the wall. If a developer is feeding this info then they are full of it and probably a HD DVD fanboy spreading FUD!

M$ is up to their old tricks again...but trying to do it Secret Squirrel style.

[CapiCoo]

That should easily end that arguement. Very well put!

[theknub]

Originally Posted by doctorD

M$ is up to their old tricks again...but trying to do it Secret Squirrel style.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by domerdel

• PS3 sales are only 1/4 as much as the 6 million target.

When was a 6 million North American target ever stated, except maybe before the release was delayed in Spring 2006?

Sony targetted 6 million shipped for end of March 2007. They shipped 5.5 million.

Gary

[Banjo]

Originally Posted by domerdel

• At least one studio unhappy with Blu-ray.

What studio would that be?

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by domerdel

• The manufacturing yield rates on BD50 (the 50GB discs) are only 40% from Sony manufacturers and down to 10% yields on non-Sony manufacturers. That means only one in 10 discs made by a non-Sony plant works as a BD50 disc.

1) Is this claim true?
2) Even if it's true, how do BD50 yields compare to those for double-layer HD-DVDs?

They are saying that BD50s aren't economical in volume? The fact that we are hearing this fundamental objection so late in the game raises the suspicion that it's baseless. I hope the insiders lay this one to rest after the weekend.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by domerdel

• The manufacturing yield rates on BD50 (the 50GB discs) are only 40% from Sony manufacturers and down to 10% yields on non-Sony manufacturers. That means only one in 10 discs made by a non-Sony plant works as a BD50 disc. This in turn leads to higher costs.

• BD1.1 player spec is hard to develop for, leading the only BD1.1 player to be delayed until Q2 2008.

• BD-J, the language they use for special features on discs, is horrible to program for, as we saw already.

• PS3 sales are only 1/4 as much as the 6 million target.

• At least one studio unhappy with Blu-ray.

For fun, let me present the response for HD DVD:

• The real world failure rate for combo discs approaches 15%. That means 15% of consumers are forced to exchange discs in hopes of getting one that works, or attempt drastic adhoc methods (like boiling the disc) to get the discs to play.

• HDi is so CPU intensive that it requires a minimum 900MHz processor, which has become the most expensive component in an HD DVD player. Toshiba decks use 2.2Ghz processors. What will the performance of the Venturer ultra-cheap be?

• HD DVD player sales are less than 1/10 the initial 2 million target.

• At least one studio is unhappy with HD DVD.

[atdm71]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

For fun, let me present the response for HD DVD:

• The real world failure rate for combo discs approaches 15%. That means 15% of consumers are forced to exchange discs in hopes of getting one that works, or attempt drastic adhoc methods (like boiling the disc) to get the discs to play.

• HDi is so CPU intensive that it requires a minimum 900MHz processor, which has become the most expensive component in an HD DVD player. Toshiba decks use 2.2Ghz processors. What will the performance of the Venturer ultra-cheap be?

• HD DVD player sales are less than 1/10 the initial 2 million target.

• At least one studio is unhappy with HD DVD.

My vote for post of the month.

[TruBlu2]

Originally Posted by domerdel

Here's what they had to say about BD


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• The manufacturing yield rates on BD50 (the 50GB discs) are only 40% from Sony manufacturers and down to 10% yields on non-Sony manufacturers. That means only one in 10 discs made by a non-Sony plant works as a BD50 disc. This in turn leads to higher costs.

• BD1.1 player spec is hard to develop for, leading the only BD1.1 player to be delayed until Q2 2008.

• BD-J, the language they use for special features on discs, is horrible to program for, as we saw already.

• PS3 sales are only 1/4 as much as the 6 million target.

• At least one studio unhappy with Blu-ray.


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can we do a counter attack on these items please?

BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe NONE of it!!!!!! hddvd bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What studio is unhappy with BD? wimpylittlehill?