PlayStation 5 First Details: Ray tracing, SSD, Backwards Compatibility and more!

[stlcards]

I still don't have a PS4. Maybe just wait for PS5.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by slimdude

This is nothing but a rumor because, nobody on this earth don't know what's going to happen the very next day, lest 3+ years from now.

Really nothing but a rumor huh, pretty obvious based on the comment in the original post

[Tom Servo]

I just recently got caught up with the current gen systems. I don't want to hear about the next ones for a long time myself. Each new generation is a smaller margin better than the last one, each time. There's only so much realism you can squeeze out of game graphics. I guess the jump to 4k will be the main point.

[Mavrick]

I'd be very surprised if the next gen consoles were pushing out 4k graphics. We still cant get consistent 1080p60 games this gen. And the trouble for people jumping in on the generation 2 years after launch is that your two years closer to the next gen being released so you can't expect a longer life cycle when joining two years after launch.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

I'd be very surprised if the next gen consoles were pushing out 4k graphics. We still cant get consistent 1080p60 games this gen. And the trouble for people jumping in on the generation 2 years after launch is that your two years closer to the next gen being released so you can't expect a longer life cycle when joining two years after launch.

The next generation of MS and Sony consoles aren't likely until 2020 anyway. By then they may well go 4k. This 2018 launch seems like pure fantasy considering Sony has been taking ever longer number of years between console releases. They aren't going to release the PS5 just 5 years after the PS4 when the gap between PS3 and 4 was seven years.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by spectre08

by 2018 1080p will be completely obsolete. If the PS4 only runs at 1080p it would be an outright failure.

No it won't. 1080p obsolete by 2018?

[dallywhitty]

Lolwut. It feels like the PS4 only came out about two minutes ago.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Lolwut. It feels like the PS4 only came out about two minutes ago.

It's not coming out in 2018. A 2019 or 2020 release is far more likely based on Son'y historical lag time between consoles.

[Carlanga]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

2019 is my bet, or 1 year earlier than customary for Sony (7 years between gens typically).

$399

X86 architecture
AMD CPU/ GPU
16Gb HBM Ram (unified)
2Tb standard HDD, or possibly 1Tb SSD if prices fell enough
4K Blu Ray

All that except no physical games unfortunately. Maybe a BD player for movies, but highly doubtful.

[Carlanga]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Lolwut. It feels like the PS4 only came out about two minutes ago.

This gen is all meh remasters and a few new ones. I have yet to finish my backlog for the PS3 which I'm still buying games to play on. I will probably buy the next gen and skip the PS4/X1 era altogether.

[JD.]

Too soon 2020 would be right fit

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Carlanga

All that except no physical games unfortunately. Maybe a BD player for movies, but highly doubtful.

Why do people keep saying that?

Approximately 88% of video game sales are on physical media and yet people think that physical media is going away soon.

[Chris60119]

I don't see myself buying this for a long LONG time.

[OrlandoEastwood]

Originally Posted by Carlanga

All that except no physical games unfortunately. Maybe a BD player for movies, but highly doubtful.

There's no way. The hard drives alone wouldn't be able to support holding game downloads if they are doing gaming in 4K. Physical media will stay around for a long time because of gaming alone.

[Mavrick]

I'm willing to bet money that not only will it play physical media but that the PS6 will too.

I even doubt that the next console will do 4K gaming when we still don't have consistent 1080p60 games on today's hardware.

All digital is a long way off. The infrastructure just isn't there for all digital. There's still a large amount of people that aren't online. And some that are don't exactly have good connections. ISPs are decades away from making an all digital future possible.

You would need everyone to be on a fibre connection, you would have to have no data cap at all, and no throttling. All that plus at a price everyone could afford.

I'm sorry but I just don't see that happening, probably not even in my lifetime. Not unless companies wanted to lose money by killing off the large amount of sales they get from physical media and ISPs were willing to offer an unlimited service to everyone at low prices which is highly unlikely to ever happen.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

I'm willing to bet money that not only will it play physical media but that the PS6 will too.

I even doubt that the next console will do 4K gaming when we still don't have consistent 1080p60 games on today's hardware.

All digital is a long way off. The infrastructure just isn't there for all digital. There's still a large amount of people that aren't online. And some that are don't exactly have good connections. ISPs are decades away from making an all digital future possible.

You would need everyone to be on a fibre connection, you would have to have no data cap at all, and no throttling. All that plus at a price everyone could afford.

I'm sorry but I just don't see that happening, probably not even in my lifetime. Not unless companies wanted to lose money by killing off the large amount of sales they get from physical media and ISPs were willing to offer an unlimited service to everyone at low prices which is highly unlikely to ever happen.

I think people seem to ignore that the goalposts seem to constantly be moving. Blu rays 50gb won't really be big enough for UHD either it seems. Regarding games, I expect 50gb to start getting stretched for 1080p soon enough too.

We need disks BUT I'm also kind of getting sick of having to install every damn game. It's almost defeating the object of having a physical medium since all we do is end up installing and disk becomes a validation method. Don't get me wrong, still rather have a disk.

I actually want to see a faster Blu Ray or something happen where we don't have to keep installing the damn games. That or Sony get its arse in gear to allow external HDD support for games alongside the internal.

4k gaming is possible but it'll be intensive for sure so maybe only certain types of games will be able to push it without taking the system to breaking points. I think resolution hasn't been the issue for games as PS3 could do 1080p and so can PS4 but the PS4 games are clearly able to pull off better graphics. So I don't mind sticking with 1080p but bearing in mind UHD is coming, I want 4k gaming as a possibility and blu ray playback a definite.

[mca213]

And the flagship game at launch will be GTA 6.

[Carlanga]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Why do people keep saying that?

Approximately 88% of video game sales are on physical media and yet people think that physical media is going away soon.

You mean the Ps4/X1 disc which you have to install in a hard drive anyways? The last gen was the last one we could put a disc in and play w/out having to copy it to a hard drive. More and more people are choosing straight up digital due to sales and sharing between a few consoles.

Originally Posted by OrlandoEastwood

There's no way. The hard drives alone wouldn't be able to support holding game downloads if they are doing gaming in 4K. Physical media will stay around for a long time because of gaming alone.

i don't understand how you guys want to play games in 4k. Games are not movies, its NOT only about hard drive size. You need much more resources than what it exists for current console costs. Expect 4K gaming on future consoles at least 6 years AFTER 4K becomes standard on PC gaming.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Carlanga

You mean the Ps4/X1 disc which you have to install in a hard drive anyways? The last gen was the last one we could put a disc in and play w/out having to copy it to a hard drive. More and more people are choosing straight up digital due to sales and sharing between a few consoles.

I don't care if I'm playing games off the hard drive or off the disc, the important thing is that they are distributed physically. With downloads the publishers have absolute control over all distribution: they can stop offering any game at any time.

Due to the used market that can never happen with games on physical media. I can still easily buy and use games for PS1, PS2, SNES, Gamecube, Dreamcast, Genesis, N64, Atari 2600, and every other system even though all of those games have been out of print for years.

But if I want to play any downloadable content on the Playstation 2 or the original Xbox I can't: it's no longer available. Likely within a decade all downloadable games for Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 will be unavailable as well.

Whether I'm running my games off the disc or off the hard drive isn't even a factor.

[SleeperAgent]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

I don't care if I'm playing games off the hard drive or off the disc, the important thing is that they are distributed physically. With downloads the publishers have absolute control over all distribution: they can stop offering any game at any time.

Due to the used market that can never happen with games on physical media. I can still easily buy and use games for PS1, PS2, SNES, Gamecube, Dreamcast, Genesis, N64, Atari 2600, and every other system even though all of those games have been out of print for years.

But if I want to play any downloadable content on the Playstation 2 or the original Xbox I can't: it's no longer available. Likely within a decade all downloadable games for Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 will be unavailable as well.

Whether I'm running my games off the disc or off the hard drive isn't even a factor.

So much this. I will never buy a console without physical games.