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Old 09-09-2021, 06:09 AM   #1081
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I think the thing is that streaming is already doing very well and doesn't need to appeal to 3D fans. At this point, we're more viable to a small label like RSM than a big streaming service.
I'm not sure how well streaming services are doing. Sure, they're ubiquitous, but they're now competing against each other and are all desperate to scrape together their own original content, most of which sure seems to be hyped for a week and then forgotten in the constant content churn. To lighten the load of making new content, licensors/owners of 3D content could release the 3D version that they already own.

Maybe that wouldn't amount to much, but then I recall people clamoring for the black-and-white remix of Fury Road FWIW.

On the other hand, with all the bundling going on, the streaming services have less of a reason to court customers with content because we're stuck subscribed to them whether we want to be or not, so they have a constant stream of shekels flooding in even if they were to have no new content.
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It sure would be. As a HFR enthusiast, like our MIA pals Cameron & Jackson, getting that to work with streaming is a pain, and the players for streaming in general leave a lot to be desired.

60 FPS for Gemini Man would still be much better than the bluray. Though as I recall, no theater in the USA could show Gemini Man at 120 FPS 3D--and only 14 theaters in the country could show it at 120 FPS 2D--so streaming could try and hype that "the way it was meant to be seen" exclusivity up, similar to the ~4:3 aspect ratio of The Snyder Cut.
 
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Old 09-09-2021, 06:10 AM   #1082
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Samsung sells their Onyx Cinema Display to commerical movie theaters. It is a microLED display 14 meters wide that displays both 2D and passive 3D. It is not cheap - almost $1 million for that size display. Smaller ones (10 meter) sell for about $700,000



https://displaysolutions.samsung.com/led-signage/onyx
 
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Old 09-09-2021, 06:23 AM   #1083
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I don't think it's the studios fault. Many of them are still releasing 3D Blu-Rays for at least some of the films even if only overseas where they perceive there's more of a market. It was the TV makers that stopped offering 3D on newer sets.

The movie studios can make all the 3D discs they want, but if people have nothing to view it on, it's a real problem (yes I know some projectors still have 3D support, but it's waning even there and many prefer OLED to projector for all but the largest screen sizes (say over 100") now and even that could change with Micro-LED allowing Samsung to make piece-it-together panel sets of huge screens possible now. The price is too high, but that will eventually change).
I pin the blame on the studios because of the shenanigans they pulled. Scouring the internet a bit, it looks like there was a serious problem with getting Avatar for home viewing. The most hyped 3D title possibly ever and the studios flubbed it by doing that ridiculous exclusivity deal with Panasonic. And the "hits" just kept on coming from the studios.

It still irks me that if you have an older 3D TV then you will need an old bluray player, as checkerboarded output wasn't standardized among bluray players, and no bluray player appears to support the "3D Ready" projectors. It should have been so easy to do 3D at home: get any DLP projector made after 2008 or so, point it at a wall, connect the 3d bluray player, and then

But instead, the Bluray Association--which includes several major studios--decided to make 3D bluray incompatible with millions of devices that were already on the market, or would come to market in later years.

Theatrically, the studios could light a fire under the theaters to stop treating 3D showings like a red-headed stepchild.

Though for MI:F, is there any recourse besides starting a letter campaign to Tom Cruise to get the studio to cough up the film?
 
Old 09-09-2021, 06:30 AM   #1084
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I'm not sure how well streaming services are doing. Sure, they're ubiquitous, but they're now competing against each other and are all desperate to scrape together their own original content, most of which sure seems to be hyped for a week and then forgotten in the constant content churn. To lighten the load of making new content, licensors/owners of 3D content could release the 3D version that they already own.

Maybe that wouldn't amount to much, but then I recall people clamoring for the black-and-white remix of Fury Road FWIW.

On the other hand, with all the bundling going on, the streaming services have less of a reason to court customers with content because we're stuck subscribed to them whether we want to be or not, so they have a constant stream of shekels flooding in even if they were to have no new content.
HBO Max In September 2021: 116 New Titles

https://tvanswerman.com/2021/08/24/h...16-new-titles/

New On Disney+ For September: Daily Schedule Of Movies, TV & Originals

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/ne...?ocid=msedgntp

This happens every month for every streaming service.

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It sure would be. As a HFR enthusiast, like our MIA pals Cameron & Jackson, getting that to work with streaming is a pain, and the players for streaming in general leave a lot to be desired.

60 FPS for Gemini Man would still be much better than the bluray. Though as I recall, no theater in the USA could show Gemini Man at 120 FPS 3D--and only 14 theaters in the country could show it at 120 FPS 2D--so streaming could try and hype that "the way it was meant to be seen" exclusivity up, similar to the ~4:3 aspect ratio of The Snyder Cut.
The Gemini Man 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray is 4K at 60 FPS.

There were 14 theaters that showed it in 120 FPS 3D with 2K resolution. No theater could play it in 4K 120 FPS 3D as it was shot by Ang Lee.

https://www.polygon.com/2019/10/8/20...movie-theaters

The amount of bandwith to show the movie in it's intended format would choke an elephant. There is no way any of the streaming services could show the movie in the intended format. You are talking about at least 100 Mbs which no streaming service operates at.

Gemini Man was a loser at the box office: budget: $138 million . . . box office take : $173.5 million. There is no way they will spend any more money on a losing film.
 
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Yep, there is new content churn, and it is unsustainable. Eventually it will end as streaming companies abandon the "shotgun" approach to new original content.

The Gemini Man bluray is not 60 FPS in 3D. 60 FPS in 2D is fun, but it isn't enough for this film.

Streaming services burn money all the time. Heck, look at what Netflix blew on Bright, a Will Smith movie that I contend would be considered more of a losing film than Gemini Man.
 
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well this thread went way off topic fast, aren't there other threads to discuss all this stuff?
 
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Old 09-09-2021, 09:39 AM   #1087
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well this thread went way off topic fast, aren't there other threads to discuss all this stuff?
This is what always happens to threads for movies that don't get a 3D Blu-ray. The same off-topic chat repeated across every one...
 
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Old 09-09-2021, 01:07 PM   #1088
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HBO Max In September 2021: 116 New Titles

https://tvanswerman.com/2021/08/24/h...16-new-titles/

New On Disney+ For September: Daily Schedule Of Movies, TV & Originals

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/ne...?ocid=msedgntp

This happens every month for every streaming service.



The Gemini Man 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray is 4K at 60 FPS.

There were 14 theaters that showed it in 120 FPS 3D with 2K resolution. No theater could play it in 4K 120 FPS 3D as it was shot by Ang Lee.

https://www.polygon.com/2019/10/8/20...movie-theaters

The amount of bandwith to show the movie in it's intended format would choke an elephant. There is no way any of the streaming services could show the movie in the intended format. You are talking about at least 100 Mbs which no streaming service operates at.

Gemini Man was a loser at the box office: budget: $138 million . . . box office take : $173.5 million. There is no way they will spend any more money on a losing film.
That movie was ment to be seen in 3D, with cinemas boycotting every screening in 3D no wonder Gemini Man had those numbers... the 3D home release in Germany has being well sold, with 3 packs(amaray 3D+2D, steelbook 3D+2D and steelbook 4K+3D+2D). If the movie was so bad at box office then those versions are true miracles because all youtube reviews i've seen say that the movie is great even not in 60/120fps nor even in 4K 3D.
 
Old 09-09-2021, 01:24 PM   #1089
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That movie was ment to be seen in 3D, with cinemas boycotting every screening in 3D no wonder Gemini Man had those numbers... the 3D home release in Germany has being well sold, with 3 packs(amaray 3D+2D, steelbook 3D+2D and steelbook 4K+3D+2D). If the movie was so bad at box office then those versions are true miracles because all youtube reviews i've seen say that the movie is great even not in 60/120fps nor even in 4K 3D.
Thats all well and good but you didn't address the poster's desire that Gemini Man should be put up on a streaming service in it's director intended format of 4K 3D @ 120 FPS. With the advertising saying "the way it was meant to be seen"

Care to comment about that suggestion?
 
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Thats all well and good but you didn't address the poster's desire that Gemini Man should be put up on a streaming service in it's director intended format of 4K 3D @ 120 FPS. With the advertising saying "the way it was meant to be seen"

Care to comment about that suggestion?
That would produce major buffering issues. Infrastructures aren't ready to deliver that amount of streaming for a number of clients at the same time.
 
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