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Old 10-09-2021, 01:56 AM   #61
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Then we have the PC hardware shortage going on which makes it hard to find Graphics cards and other PC parts. This is another reason why the Windows 11 launch well be a disaster. So almost everyone in the world needs to build or purchase a new PC to run Windows 11, during a shortage of microchips, graphics cards, and other computer parts.

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Old 10-09-2021, 02:12 AM   #62
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My 6 year old X99 motherboard has secure boot and currently has TPM 1.2 chip installed. I missed out on buying the TPM 2.0 chip for around $20 back in 2017, but even if I can find a used one on EBAY for $300 there is still issues. So technically my 6 year old X99 motherboard well pass secure boot if enabled in the BIOS and well pass TPM 2.0 if I can find the TPM chip that is out of production. However the official Microsoft Windows PC health check app for Windows 11 is telling me quote “The processor isn’t currently supported for Windows 11”. I am using a Intel Core i7-5960X CPU at 3Ghz. The CPU has 16 threads with 8 cores. So the free download option to install Windows 11 is not a option in my Windows update because my PC is too old, and in fact all my PC's are too old.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...fications.html

Therefore, I would need to purchase a new motherboard with a new CPU (and might need new memory, and other things). When the motherboard and CPU is replaced that is considered a new PC. The X99 is my newest PC. The X58 and X38 motherboards which are older fail on no option for secure boot and TPM. Plus the Notebook computer also fails.

So like most people in the world I need to build ail new PC’s or purchase all new PC’s if I want to run Windows 11.
x99 Came out in August of 2014 homes, don't blame MS because you bought a chipset from 2014, your stuff was EOL when you bought it. 5960X is also a 2014 CPU, like I said END OF LIFE when YOU purchased it. This is not a MS issue this is a you issue. Keep complaining all you want but when you buy 2014 items in 2017 that's on you.

I have 0 problems with my I9-9900k If I choose or want to update to Windows 11. But your PC was 3 years old when you built it, and 7 years old according to Windows 11.

You have until 2025 to upgrade so im sure youll be fine.

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Old 10-09-2021, 08:20 AM   #63
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x99 Came out in August of 2014 homes, don't blame MS because you bought a chipset from 2014, your stuff was EOL when you bought it. 5960X is also a 2014 CPU, like I said END OF LIFE when YOU purchased it. This is not a MS issue this is a you issue. Keep complaining all you want but when you buy 2014 items in 2017 that's on you.

I have 0 problems with my I9-9900k If I choose or want to update to Windows 11. But your PC was 3 years old when you built it, and 7 years old according to Windows 11.

You have until 2025 to upgrade so im sure youll be fine.
I purchased the X99 motherboard and Intel CPU in 2015 since in 2014 it was hard to find. The model of X99 motherboard I purchased was the latest model for 2015. There was nothing on the market that was better at the time. The 2017 date you are using is in regards to the TPM 2.0 chip for my motherboard became available in large QTY to the consumer market. I built two X99 computers in 2015 using a motherboard made in the year 2015.

If Microsoft supports Windows 10 until January of 2026 then I well just need to upgrade all my PC's in 2025 (or early 2026) like you said. 2026 is going to be a big upgrade year for me and many other consumers most likely. Besides upgrading all the PC's I might upgrade all the flat panel screens to native 8K models and all the A/V receivers to 8K models. Plus maybe a 8K Blu-ray player, 8K Direct TV satellite receiver, and maybe a 8K Roku Ultra. Well have to wait and see what happens.

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Old 10-09-2021, 09:28 AM   #64
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I have been informed that I should install Windoze 10 Pro as it has better privacy options and I don't think the Pro version was ever free.

My hesitancy lies in all the work involved. I am told that the best way to install Windoze 10 is to do a clean install, which means I would have to reinstall all of the software on my pc one program at a time...and I have a lot installed across 4 SSDs. Then, I get to see how many conflicts there would be with the new OS.

There is also some older hardware involved; will it play nice with the new OS? All said and done it seems like a daunting task.
The Pro version was always free for me because i beta tested W10.

(The beta of Windows 10 was better than XP which was available at the time.)

I signed up to be a Windows Insider which is or was free and allowed me to install the Pro version which became tied to my hardware (in other words a license was given for my CPU or MB.)

According to what I saw this AM, you can get W10 Pro for around $14 with free upgrade to 11. Not quite free but pretty cheap for all the trouble it will give you.

https://www.cultofmac.com/753481/gen...y/#more-753481

I personally am very glad to do me best to forget M$. They never were the good choice just the popular one.

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Old 10-09-2021, 01:16 PM   #65
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I purchased the X99 motherboard and Intel CPU in 2015 since in 2014 it was hard to find. The model of X99 motherboard I purchased was the latest model for 2015. There was nothing on the market that was better at the time. The 2017 date you are using is in regards to the TPM 2.0 chip for my motherboard became available in large QTY to the consumer market. I built two X99 computers in 2015 using a motherboard made in the year 2015.

If Microsoft supports Windows 10 until January of 2026 then I well just need to upgrade all my PC's in 2025 (or early 2026) like you said. 2026 is going to be a big upgrade year for me and many other consumers most likely. Besides upgrading all the PC's I might upgrade all the flat panel screens to native 8K models and all the A/V receivers to 8K models. Plus maybe a 8K Blu-ray player, 8K Direct TV satellite receiver, and maybe a 8K Roku Ultra. Well have to wait and see what happens.
The 2017 date I am using was a Q4 release for the chips supported by MS for W11. It was the i3/5 models. The i7 models were Q2 and the i9 models were q4. Basically you had to build with updated components in 2018. This isn't a disaster launch as you put it its just the cutoff MS chose. When I built in 2019/2020 I did not go top of the line because frankly I was not paying for the RTX video cards. I went with an i9 9900k and a 1660ti, I am hoping the market recovers but I don't see PC video cards reducing their prices anytime soon due to the stupid bitcoin miners. I see the 3080ti at like 1500 USD now. PC prices are becoming ultra stupid.
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Basically 5+ year old PCs and newer can upgrade to Windows 11.
Not true, my laptops are only fours years old and can't be upgraded (officially) due to MS' BS CPU restrictions.

I also have an older desktop from 2006 with the Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 which runs Windows 10 just fine. In fact with Win10 to runs faster than Win7. There's no reason why older CPUs can't run Win11.

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Not true, my laptops are only fours years old and can't be upgraded (officially) due to MS' BS CPU restrictions.

I also have an older desktop from 2006 with the Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 which runs Windows 10 just fine. In fact with Win10 to runs faster than Win7. There's no reason why older CPUs can't run Win11.
Dont look at when you bought the laptops look at the initial manufacturing date of the technology. The CPU restrictions are not an issue they are a cutoff point. You could have bought the new laptop 5 years ago but the initial manufacturing date on them could have been 2 years before that meaning it was already 2 years old when you bought even if it was brand new.
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Sometimes a 3 year old computer model can be on store shelves. However even someone buying a 1 year old computer, they need to make sure they have the latest BIOS update that offers the TPM 2.0 and secure boot feature. Some computers in the last 3-5 years have TPM 2.0 in the AMD or Intel chip but the BIOS does not have an option to active the TPM feature. If the desktop motherboard and Laptop computer do not have a update to turn TPM 2.0 on then Windows 11 well not install under the Windows update option.

Some people believe that Windows 11 well be a big success and almost everyone well go purchase a new PC that runs Windows 11 (Windows 11 is a improvement over Windows 10 as long as one owns the equipment to actually use the operating system).

The problem right now is the shortage in semiconductor chips which make it hard to manufacture and purchase new consumer electronic products like computers, A/V receivers, Smart TV’s, etc. If everyone wants Windows 11 this Christmas and Holiday season then there could be a shortage of computers and computer parts to purchase (which there is currently a shortage).

Now if Microsoft stops supporting Windows 10 with important security updates in January of 2026, which would in theory be the end of life of the operating system. Then in theory late 2025 early 2026 many people well be forced to purchase a new PC. And hopefully the chip shortage well be over by then. I use to upgrade my PC at least every 5 years, and I sometimes had a problem with some charity organizations not wanting to accept a PC that was high-end 5 years ago (I found one that accepted the PC around 10 years ago and loved the performance of the desktop computer that was donated to them), But what I am worried about is that when Windows 10 is no longer supported in the future (end of life), all or most charity organizations might not accept the used PC’s anymore since they well not be able to run the required Windows 11 on the PC’s. Maybe another operating system like Linux well become popular. Even selling the used PC’s on EBAY may be difficult if the computer parts do not work with Windows 11 (or Windows 12 if that is released 3 to 5 years in the future).

So what is everyone going to do with all the old computers if charity organizations and people on EBAY do not want them unless they can run Windows 11? Do computers just end up in the trash dumps around the world. Maybe Linux or another operating system well become popular. I like building my own PC’s and the only reason why I never went with a MAC OS is that it requires a store bought PC and one cannot build a PC from scratch if they want to use a MAC operating system.

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Why run an unsupported o/s when 10 is not only a better o/s, but is completely free?
Because Windows 10 is a steaming pile of garbage IMHO. Annoying notifications, the "Get Even More Out of Windows" (now "Let's Finish Setting Up Your Device") screen that you get if you don't use a Micro$oft account, and the Micro$oft Edge ads that get thrown at you when you use an alternative web browser. Just to name a few reasons why I'd rather use Windows 7 than 10, even though it's out of support. As for security, I don't visit sketchy sites and I use an Adblocker.

Because of how bad Windows 10 is and, from the looks of it, Windows 11 being no better, my next computer will be a Mac.
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Dont look at when you bought the laptops look at the initial manufacturing date of the technology. The CPU restrictions are not an issue they are a cutoff point. You could have bought the new laptop 5 years ago but the initial manufacturing date on them could have been 2 years before that meaning it was already 2 years old when you bought even if it was brand new.
I get that, Gen8 chips weren't available yet and the manufacturers weren't offering Gen8 options for the laptop motherboards at that time. Other than the subjective CPU cutoff point my laptops support everything else; RAM, Secure Boot, and TPM 2.0.
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Because Windows 10 is a steaming pile of garbage IMHO.

Because of how bad Windows 10 is and, from the looks of it, Windows 11 being no better, my next computer will be a Mac.
Considering that they couldn't be arsed to fix 10's litany of reported faults (my favourite is the broken "Personalize" settings which break File Explorer, I'm inclined to agree.
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It still has a of bugs so I am still waiting for an updated version.
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When I first heard that Windows 11 was coming out, and that I'd been wanting to upgrade to an actual gaming desktop, I was already skeptical about Windows 11. While I have purchased an HP Omen 30L with a Ryzen 7 CPU, I don't have any plans to upgrade to Windows 11.

There are just too complaints that reviewers are warning PC users about, that a lot of functionality is being removed from Windows 11, that users have become comfortable with in Windows 10. That's the problem with Microsoft, they have always removed features that made it easier for PC users. Plus, I don't like the GUI for Windows 11 as it looks too much like Apple OS. Microsoft should be making Windows easier to use, not removing features so users have to learn the software all over again.

Plus, Microsoft has the bad habit of a good/bad release schedule.

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The fact that the new version of Windows requires TPB 2.0 not to mention Secure Boot, will leave a lot of PC users out of the upgrade.
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It still has a of bugs so I am still waiting for an updated version.
I have just been reading the first update made the AMD problem worse, I would advise anyone to give it 6 months before upgrading, it also appears updates are installing on systems that do not meet the minimum system requirements.
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Ive gone Apple. I keep my PC in case I ever need it but it's been a while.

Still, If I ever needed it I'm glad I have it.

The best is both and then just use the PC if you have to resort to it because something is only coded for it.

Linux could be even better but it's not for me.

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Ive gone Apple. I keep my PC in case I ever need it but it's been a while.

Still, If I ever needed it I'm glad I have it.

The best is both and then just use the PC if you have to resort to it because something is only coded for it.

Linux could be even better but it's not for me.
What about Boot Camp to run windows on your mac? Moving programs and apps over should be easy enough, having the original purchase details helps
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What about Boot Camp to run windows on your mac? Moving programs and apps over should be easy enough, having the original purchase details helps
That's a possible solution.

Last time I got rid of old computers I just decided to keep my PC. It's an i7 3GHz with SSD. As it's not going to run W11, I believe such a machine will be very cheap and plentiful on the used market. I just keep it .. I may never need it again but it doesn't take up too much room in the basement where it waits in case I need it. I prefer to keep it unplugged because security on Windows is always an issue and will be more so as it's going to be an outdated OS.

I don't have any programs I still use it for. Most of what I do now is just online where it usually doesn't matter what OS you use.

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Windows 11 still seems to be on beta stages so I'll wait 2-3 years till they get it all worked out.

Besides, I'm interested on the LTSC Edition (the edition they remove junk like Edge, Windows Store, Cortana, etc. And updates aren't annoying) which is probably going to be released next yesr, or the one after.
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When I first heard that Windows 11 was coming out, and that I'd been wanting to upgrade to an actual gaming desktop, I was already skeptical about Windows 11. While I have purchased an HP Omen 30L with a Ryzen 7 CPU, I don't have any plans to upgrade to Windows 11.

There are just too complaints that reviewers are warning PC users about, that a lot of functionality is being removed from Windows 11, that users have become comfortable with in Windows 10. That's the problem with Microsoft, they have always removed features that made it easier for PC users. Plus, I don't like the GUI for Windows 11 as it looks too much like Apple OS. Microsoft should be making Windows easier to use, not removing features so users have to learn the software all over again.

Plus, Microsoft has the bad habit of a good/bad release schedule.



The fact that the new version of Windows requires TPB 2.0 not to mention Secure Boot, will leave a lot of PC users out of the upgrade.
You added two editions of 98, but none of 2000 or 8.1? I personally loved Windows 2000 and Windows 8.1 was good except the damage had been done.

Also, Windows Vista was pretty bad though I read it eventually became very stable.
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Windows 11 still seems to be on beta stages so I'll wait 2-3 years till they get it all worked out.

Besides, I'm interested on the LTSC Edition (the edition they remove junk like Edge, Windows Store, Cortana, etc. And updates aren't annoying) which is probably going to be released next yesr, or the one after.
LTSC editions or Black Editions are community built and not recommended to be installed. You have no idea what people do to those ISO.
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