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Old 11-17-2020, 02:36 AM   #161
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I was an extra in the pilot (which was completely reshot late into production). I had a feeling this show would kinda suck given its production issues.
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Old 11-30-2020, 10:13 PM   #162
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Then you don’t know TWD, otherwise you would’ve known Robert Kirkman the creator has said that zombie films don’t exist in the TWD universe.
I know TWD but I didn't know that, I don't read articles where people involved with tv shows or comics talk about it... but that's still a ridiculous notion even if he says so, that's removing films from the past near-century. That's an even dumber idea than this whole show is.

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Well, I figure the idea is that since nobody had a concept of zombies before they actually came to life in TWD universe, every small group of people would've come up with their own terms. I've always been fine with that. I have a bunch of TWD nitpicks (like how easy it is to cut through everyone's skulls), but that's not one.
That annoys me so much now though... they just try to be cool and have their own terms. When it first started happening, I'm sure the news would've said something and people would've used that term... But "empties" and "hasbeens" just took it too far for me and got on my nerves.

But sheesh this was a bad show. I would never have been able to watch it over 9 weeks, I'd have dropped it at episode two. The whole reason they're doing it is because of their dad,
[Show spoiler]but then their dad isn't actually in danger and they just wanted Hope... so why didn't they just kidnap Hope and get it over with. Why go through this long dramatic pretense? And they're going to take care of the others but if anything they should've also brought Iris because Hope would never help them if they kill her sister. So stupid.
I'll watch the last 10, but I'll wait until it's done again before I start... and only doing that because I don't like dropping shows when I could easily finish, and 10 more episodes isn't a big commitment.

Somebody said this looked like a CW show, and that's insulting to CW show. It's even worse than a Freeform show. And the acting was crap, ranging from adequate with Nico Tortorella to terrible with Silas.
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Old 11-30-2020, 10:23 PM   #163
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I know TWD but I didn't know that, I don't read articles where people involved with tv shows or comics talk about it... but that's still a ridiculous notion even if he says so, that's removing films from the past near-century. That's an even dumber idea than this whole show is.



That annoys me so much now though... they just try to be cool and have their own terms. When it first started happening, I'm sure the news would've said something and people would've used that term... But "empties" and "hasbeens" just took it too far for me and got on my nerves.

But sheesh this was a bad show. I would never have been able to watch it over 9 weeks, I'd have dropped it at episode two. The whole reason they're doing it is because of their dad,
[Show spoiler]but then their dad isn't actually in danger and they just wanted Hope... so why didn't they just kidnap Hope and get it over with. Why go through this long dramatic pretense? And they're going to take care of the others but if anything they should've also brought Iris because Hope would never help them if they kill her sister. So stupid.
I'll watch the last 10, but I'll wait until it's done again before I start... and only doing that because I don't like dropping shows when I could easily finish, and 10 more episodes isn't a big commitment.

Somebody said this looked like a CW show, and that's insulting to CW show. It's even worse than a Freeform show. And the acting was crap, ranging from adequate with Nico Tortorella to terrible with Silas.
Robert Kirkman's defense is that without "built-in" knowledge of zombies in pop culture, made the survivability of the apocalypse much more challenging for his characters.

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Such a conceit is actually fairly common in zombie movies and TV shows, as after all, it's an entirely different creative dynamic if zombie fiction exists in a work of zombie fiction, as when a zombie first appeared, everyone involved would immediately say "look, it's a zombie, shoot it in the head." Some movies - mostly horror/comedies - have been able to make that setup work, using it to subvert expectations when it turns out the rules of "real-life" zombies aren't the same as in Romero's films. In a serious zombie story like The Walking Dead though, it makes sense not to have the characters start with built-in knowledge of the undead and how they're supposed to operate.

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Old 11-30-2020, 11:21 PM   #164
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Robert Kirkman's defense is that without "built-in" knowledge of zombies in pop culture, made the survivability of the apocalypse much more challenging for his characters.
Eh, still a cop out to me. Plus, these kids are tackling them or running right up to them and holding onto them. What makes them think that'd be a good idea, when shooting them anywhere else doesn't stop them? And on top of that, they were taught only a stab/shot to the head can kill them.
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Old 12-02-2020, 12:20 AM   #165
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I thought the show got better the last 3 episodes. The finale got me wxcited about the second season. By ni means is it great but i find myself enjoying more than I thought.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:08 PM   #166
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Eh, still a cop out to me. Plus, these kids are tackling them or running right up to them and holding onto them. What makes them think that'd be a good idea, when shooting them anywhere else doesn't stop them? And on top of that, they were taught only a stab/shot to the head can kill them.
I wouldn't know. It's a dumb show that I don't pay much attention to or care slightest about.

I was more or less referring to Kirkman and his logic behind the storyline for the far superior comic book series.
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Old 12-10-2020, 03:44 AM   #167
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Good God the finale was horrible...

I kept expecting Simple Minds' Don't You Forget About Me to play in the background and Silas pump his fist in the air as he walked towards the soldiers.

But the biggest thing is the entire premise for the show - now revealed. I mean it's not like she's Stephen freakin Hawkings!!

In the pilot they could have been like 'hey, your Dad wants to see you, we'll fly you out'....and credits.

Won't be watching S2.
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Old 12-10-2020, 11:04 PM   #168
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The show is okay, not great, but not terrible either (for me). Anyway, I'll keep watching, I'm fully 'invested' in the franchise, for the better or the worst!

The best thing about the show is the originality of the opening titles. They are so well made!

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Old 12-12-2020, 02:56 PM   #169
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But the biggest thing is the entire premise for the show - now revealed. I mean it's not like she's Stephen freakin Hawkings!!

In the pilot they could have been like 'hey, your Dad wants to see you, we'll fly you out'....and credits.
The plot is not 100% revealed. We know the CRM people are not "good people", but we don't really know why yet. Another thing is, the "asset girl" is not the only genius of the family, they both are, together! Also, the father never wanted the girls there, and he doesn't even know one of them is coming - and I think he won't know for a while now that is getting suspicious.

I feel like you skipped the last 3-4 minutes of the show, and missed all the plot twists!
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Old 12-12-2020, 04:37 PM   #170
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The plot is not 100% revealed. We know the CRM people are not "good people", but we don't really know why yet. Another thing is, the "asset girl" is not the only genius of the family, they both are, together! Also, the father never wanted the girls there, and he doesn't even know one of them is coming - and I think he won't know for a while now that is getting suspicious.

I feel like you skipped the last 3-4 minutes of the show, and missed all the plot twists!
Even if the dad won't know for a while, if they wanted her so bad literally all they had to do was lie to her and tell her they're taking her to her dad and skip all this lying and adventuring across the country. They could've flown her there and be done with it in a few hours not weeks/months.
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Old 12-12-2020, 07:05 PM   #171
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Even if the dad won't know for a while, if they wanted her so bad literally all they had to do was lie to her and tell her they're taking her to her dad and skip all this lying and adventuring across the country. They could've flown her there and be done with it in a few hours not weeks/months.
Very good point, but they mentioned that they wanted her to make the decision to go, by herself. I know, it's stupid, but I guess there is a reason for it that we don't know yet. That's why they faked the 2 last messages. After hearing these, the girl decided to go "save" her father. Anyway, I'm not trying to defend the show, it's really the weakest out of the three iterations, but their actions have been roughly explained.
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Old 12-13-2020, 01:06 AM   #172
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The whole Walking Dead franchise has been on life support for the last few years, yet it keeps going despite weekly drops in ratings for all of the shows. I get they want to keep milking the zombie concept, but the cow is starting to dry up.
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The whole Walking Dead franchise has been on life support for the last few years, yet it keeps going despite weekly drops in ratings for all of the shows. I get they want to keep milking the zombie concept, but the cow is starting to dry up.
What would AMC be without TWD though?
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What would AMC be without TWD though?
Horror reruns.

Either way, they are going to need to find an answer to that question soon enough as the franchise is hemorrhaging viewership. While the shows can be entertaining enough, I don't think there is enough sustainability past the next few years. Fans have moved on to something else, and it's AMC's job now to try and find a new concept that becomes one of those things viewers are going to.
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Horror reruns.

Either way, they are going to need to find an answer to that question soon enough as the franchise is hemorrhaging viewership. While the shows can be entertaining enough, I don't think there is enough sustainability past the next few years. Fans have moved on to something else, and it's AMC's job now to try and find a new concept that becomes one of those things viewers are going to.
The true test will be once the main series ends after season 11.
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Very good point, but they mentioned that they wanted her to make the decision to go, by herself. I know, it's stupid, but I guess there is a reason for it that we don't know yet. That's why they faked the 2 last messages. After hearing these, the girl decided to go "save" her father. Anyway, I'm not trying to defend the show, it's really the weakest out of the three iterations, but their actions have been roughly explained.
I don't see what her going herself would do for anything personally, it's not like they ran into a bunch of people and she could get new experiences being around them. She met two people and one of them was
[Show spoiler]murdered by somebody she was close to. Plus, they want to kill her sister and somebody who is like a brother, do they think she's going to willingly help them?
It's like they just wrote the plot as they went along, it doesn't seem thought out in advance. I'm just glad it's only 10 more episodes.

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Horror reruns.

Either way, they are going to need to find an answer to that question soon enough as the franchise is hemorrhaging viewership. While the shows can be entertaining enough, I don't think there is enough sustainability past the next few years. Fans have moved on to something else, and it's AMC's job now to try and find a new concept that becomes one of those things viewers are going to.
It's probably going to just be simulcasts with BBC America and TV broadcasts of Acorn/Shudder/SundanceNow series, like Riviera and A Discovery of Witches.
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Without TWD, AMC could try to milk out the Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul franchise, but I don't think it's possible without the participation of Vince Gilligan. I think it's too late for anything new linked with Mad Men, but if they are desperate, we never know!

There is not much else viable looking at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...oadcast_by_AMC
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Will we have to wait until fall to see second season?
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TWD: World Beyond season 1 Blu-ray will be released on June 15th. http://https://www.target.com/p/the-...17#lnk=sametab
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TWD: World Beyond season 1 Blu-ray will be released on June 15th. http://https://www.target.com/p/the-...17#lnk=sametab
As much as I was lukewarm on this spin-off, I'm sure I'll still pick it up, if only to support the franchise on Blu-ray. Plus, the completist in me will get antsy if I don't.
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